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is it ok if it is this color or is that to burnt ?
its like a silver instead of brown color

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It's really not needed, and may just clog up your wick with carbon buildup (or something?) all the way through.

Someone on another forum brought up an interesting point I never thought about before and it makes sense lol

"Why do we burn the SS wick? this adds a carbon layer to the surface - isnt carbon used to filter out tastes and flavors in everything from aquariums to water filters? so in fact wouldnt it kill the true flavor of the juice as it would be filtering it to some extent? couldnt this be why some people don't experience the rich flavor others brag about?"


stupid logic - gets in the way of irrational thoughts every time.



as for the picture some of the coils look darker then others, is it glowing evenly when dry?

and what kind of mod and/or power settings are you using it with.
 
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Someone on another forum brought up an interesting point I never thought about before and it makes sense lol

"Why do we burn the SS wick? this adds a carbon layer to the surface - isnt carbon used to filter out tastes and flavors in everything from aquariums to water filters? so in fact wouldnt it kill the true flavor of the juice as it would be filtering it to some extent? couldnt this be why some people don't experience the rich flavor others brag about?"


stupid logic - gets in the way of irrational thoughts every time.

Some people are not oxidizing I heard like crash vapes. He said he got lucky but others are say thing the same thing.


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I havent oxidized in over a year now.

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I have to say the only time in general I get any metallic taste is either wicking problems (like not tilting on my mech with a fresh battery) or my tank is running dry.

It may be how you built the wick and not the coil so much giving the problems.

How do you build it ?i fold the end and on the other I just roll it from the center to the end ...


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I havent oxidized in over a year now.

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I have to say the only time in general I get any metallic taste is either wicking problems (like not tilting on my mech with a fresh battery) or my tank is running dry.

It may be how you built the wick and not the coil so much giving the problems.

If I do get a burnt taste can it go away?from usin the same ss mesh ?


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as for wicking problems it may be too much mesh or rolled to tight that kind of thing. not so much " i roll it like this"


the first thing that needs to be done, is the coil adjusted while it is dry. it should glow evenly and heat up pretty much at the same time.

while test firing it you can adjust the coils with a toothpick or paperclip or something. if one coil is always too hot compared to the others it will always taste funny.

as for the taste once you get everything working correctly it will take a few good vapes to work through all the burned juice on the wick. and the taste should fade away.

this is where many people get stuck they accidentally burn the juice during setup and testing, then vape this flavor and think everything is still messed up,
the wick in the picture is 40 mm wide and rolled like a straw, you can see right through it. too much wick or rolled to tightly is actually just as bad if not worse then not enough.

Ill give it to you man for the first few times it may be tough to get going, the mesh has one of the highest learning curves so dont beat yourself up over it.

It's easy for me now to look back and say oh thats easy but my first geni beat me up bad lol, sat in the drawer for a few weeks till i tried some more.

but once you get it running perfect you will go oh wow now i get it!
and it gets easier and easier till it can be done in 5 minutes.
 

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as for wicking problems it may be too much mesh or rolled to tight that kind of thing. not so much " i roll it like this"


the first thing that needs to be done, is the coil adjusted while it is dry. it should glow evenly and heat up pretty much at the same time.

while test firing it you can adjust the coils with a toothpick or paperclip or something. if one coil is always too hot compared to the others it will always taste funny.

as for the taste once you get everything working correctly it will take a few good vapes to work through all the burned juice on the wick. and the taste should fade away.

this is where many people get stuck they accidentally burn the juice during setup and testing, then vape this flavor and think everything is still messed up,
the wick in the picture is 40 mm wide and rolled like a straw, you can see right through it. too much wick or rolled to tightly is actually just as bad if not worse then not enough.

Ill give it to you man for the first few times it may be tough to get going, the mesh has one of the highest learning curves so dont beat yourself up over it.

It's easy for me now to look back and say oh thats easy but my first geni beat me up bad lol, sat in the drawer for a few weeks till i tried some more.

but once you get it running perfect you will go oh wow now i get it!
and it gets easier and easier till it can be done in 5 minutes.

I rolled it tight but enough where I can see a while in it. I used a paper clip when wrapping my coil on the ss mesh. Does it take awhile for the ss mesh to settle in for the flavor ?


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Someone on another forum brought up an interesting point I never thought about before and it makes sense lol

"Why do we burn the SS wick? this adds a carbon layer to the surface - isnt carbon used to filter out tastes and flavors in everything from aquariums to water filters? so in fact wouldnt it kill the true flavor of the juice as it would be filtering it to some extent? couldnt this be why some people don't experience the rich flavor others brag about?"


stupid logic - gets in the way of irrational thoughts every time.



as for the picture some of the coils look darker then others, is it glowing evenly when dry?

and what kind of mod and/or power settings are you using it with.
actually no..not carbon...
Stainless steel is a family of alloy steels containing a minimum of 10-1/2% chromium. The chromium, when in contact with oxygen, forms a natural barrier of chromium oxide called a "passive film".
18-8 Stainless steel, 304, 316 Stainless Steel Corrosion

It's a form of rust, which is non conductive and prevents the shorts from happening

Passivation (chemistry) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The pulse method is pretty much doing what the "burn" method does but incrementally...slowly building up the layer rather than all at once with alot of heat, end result is the same, that protective layer of oxidation under the coils to prevent shorting (I couldn't get my rigs to pulse fire because they won't fire at below 1.3Ω-1.5Ω because without the oxidation it shows a short or very low ohms...a true mech won't care

Once it all clicks though and you get it right with whatever method you choose...there is the undenying fact that a genesis style atomizer has better flavor than anything out there...
 
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Well, you have oxidized, just not with flame. You just used the heat from the coil like I do.


yea but the difference is the spot under the coil is 5 mm and it usually stays on the outer layers, you not pulling the juice through layer upon layer of burned metal before it gets to the wick area.

in the end all i know and care about is it tastes good from about the 3rd puff, and wicks great right from the start.


from your link:
Intergranular Corrosion - all austentic stainless steels contain a small amount of carbon. At extremely high temperature, such as welding, the carbon forces local chrome to form chromium carbide around it, thus starving adjacent areas of the chrome it needs for its own corrosion protection.

this is not air based oxidation.

"Chromium carbide is a ceramic compound "
 
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