First time building a genesis.

[EsOne]

Bought and built my first genesis style atty. A UD AGI. 1.7ohm coil on the supplied SS mesh.


I do have a question though... The flavor I put in... I don't really want to vape it. Can you change flavors without changing coil/wick? If I have to re-coil, it's fine. But, can I reuse the SS mesh? I have only vaped 1/2 tank so far on it.

 

[holy_handgrenade]

Most certainly. You may need a syringe though. You just suck up all the remaining juice in the tank.

From there it's 100% up to you, you can either just refill with your new juice; depending on your old juice, this may produce a slight mix of flavors - in my experience though, this only lasts a few drags as the juice in the coil is used up.

If you're wanting to go full out though, to clean the tank, just use that syringe and inject water into the tank and suck it up a few times. Dispose of the water and repeat until you feel the tank is as clean as it will get (you'll see color/clarity of water in the syringe and the tank).

If you go so far as a full flush with water, I suggest dry burn pulsing a bit to ensure the coils are still operating well as well as burning of any gunk on the coils and using up any water that may exist in the wick.

I reccomend getting a fill needle/syringe instead of using a hypodermic needle. Hypodermics are sharp for one, but they are also cut off at an angle, which will make it difficult to get the last little bit of juice at the bottom and you risk stabbing/damaging o-rings in the tank (depending on setup).

 

[EsOne]

Say I don't have a syringe...

Could I just drain it completely, dismantle and clean?

Do I have to do anything special to the mesh? Rinse or anything?

 

[jhelliwell]

Congrats on your new tank. The AGI has been a lot of fun for me to tinker with, and gives a very reasonable quality vape. I was always dissatisfied with it until I got really very good indeed at recoiling it. I was always terrible at not getting all the hotspots out which coloured the flavour badly, but once I mastered it, it gives a very good quality vape.

I would go with a water rinse, let her dry for a bit then pulse it to dry burn it. Prime the coil with your eliquid and fill the tank and you're good to go. Alternatively, rip the tank off it, build a horizontal coil and wick with silica/ekowool and drip with it. The AGI is awesome as a dripper

 

[holy_handgrenade]

Well, you can dismantle completely, but you'll be required to remove your coil that way, you'll need to disconnect the positive pin section of the coils in order to take the tank apart. That's been the experience I've had on all of my genesis devices.

You can try removing the fill hole plug, and if there's any other plugs in your deck (say for a second wick) remove that, you can try draining it, but it will be a slow process and you will not be able to get it all out; there'll be about .25-.5ml left that way, which will result in a definate mix of flavors.

 

[WattWick]

There are various levels of nitpickiness to switching flavors in a gennie. Pick any combination of the following in any order you feel is necessary:

- Drain tank
- Add new juice
- Squish water in, suck water out repeatedly. Fire up until no more vapor is produced
- Run some pure PG through the wick by means of vaporization
- Complete disassembly / alcohol soak
- Remove wick and juice burn / make new coil

If I'm changing from one flavor to a similiar one, I just drain the tank, fill with new flavor and vape an odd mix for a couple of puffs. If I'm changing flavors to something completely different, I wash tank with water (by means of syringe or nozzled bottle), vaporize, fill a ML or so of PG in the tank, vaporize a little --> drain, re-fill with new flavor. If I'm trying to get rid of some a really tough case of wont-go-away flavor, I do the whole shebang with full disassembly and alcohol soak.

I don't mean "inhale" when I say vaporize. Just fire it up with cap off a little.

 

[WattWick]

I usually run some PG through the system after a dry-burn also. Sorry for making new post about this. If I edited the previous one, for some reason it would collapse all formatting and turn it into a huge pile of text.

 

[EsOne]

Thanks for the help guys! I think I managed to change the juice well enough. Lowered my ohms on the coil too.

Another question... jhelliwell mentioned hotspots. I did work all of them out to make a nice uniform glow, but I noticed when firing the bridge between the wick and the center post still glows when vaping. That little bridge area normal? If not, how to make it not glow. I've tried fidgeting with it.

 

[jhelliwell]

I wrap my coil round the mesh while holding the mesh in my hands so I can get an even tension, like all of the coil must be in contact with all of the mesh, with no gaps but not too tight either. When I insert the wick I then attach the wires to the positive and negative posts (I use the centre positive post and the lower negative screw) but I make sure the run length beween the top of the coil and the positive pin is as short as possible. I always make sure the "bridge" or top-leg has good tension, is not curved or too long.

I think in terms of working out hot spots, go to the coil below the one that looks too hot and fiddle with that. I' m fairly sure the last time I rebuilt the AGI the top leg looked fine. Actually the last time I rebuilt it when I test fired it, all 4 loops glowed evenly and no hot spots at all. Which was nice.

Another consideration in getting rid of hot spots is to oxidise the wick properly, fold over the outer edge of the mesh to get a straight edge.

Would the top leg glowing affect the flavour at all? I don't think it would, since it is the coiled part of the resistance wire that vaporises the eliquid. I think you're probably alright

 

[WattWick]

That's where most people struggle with gennies. The dreaded top leg hot spot. It's important to get your wire tension just right. Snug all the way where it touches the wick, but not tight to the point where it's so tight it pulls on the wick and creates a hot spot. Tightening the screw on the center post will make adjustments to this tightness. It just takes a little trial and error knowing how tight (or loose depending on direction you wrap the coil around screw) the wire needs to be prior to tightening down the screw to get it just right.

 

[ConradM]

Thanks for the help guys! I think I managed to change the juice well enough. Lowered my ohms on the coil too.

Another question... jhelliwell mentioned hotspots. I did work all of them out to make a nice uniform glow, but I noticed when firing the bridge between the wick and the center post still glows when vaping. That little bridge area normal? If not, how to make it not glow. I've tried fidgeting with it.

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Pulse and jiggle the wick to get rid of that hot spot.

 

[ConradM]

Now try a micro with SS and cotton -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jagnsVTWbdg

I just did my 2nd one and the cotton brings out more flavor.