One atomizer killed my eGo batteries?

[Drozd]

Those batteries you've mentioned have a huge mah rating, don't they? In the low low ten thousands, yeah?? If it's putting a big hurt on these 650-900mah batteries people are using, how worried do I need to be about my 1300mah hello 016 if I try to use LR atomizers or carts??? On one hand, I will be twice the rating of an ego, half again the riva, but still nowhere near those "real" batteries..

I gather that LR carts are much less of a danger than LR atomizers... is that right?

I also understand that these bigger batteries .. elegant,ego,hello,riva .. NONE of them can stand being shorted, is that right?? Will LR cartomizers short the battery, do you think? I wouldn't think so, and they only go down to 2 rather than 1.2-1.7 like LR atomizers, but ..

what we're dealing with here is a combination of 2 issues...
one scottbee explains in the quote I quoted him in above

the other...the overall life...
at 3.1V (voltage of an eGo/riva etc....) a 1.5Ω LR atty has an amp draw of 2.47A...
the eGo 650mAh has a max drain rate of .65A
the riva 750mAh ............................... .75A
eGo XL 900 mAh................................ .90A
the hello 1300mAh ........................... 1.3A

they're all on borrowed time like I said.... the overstressing of them will damage the battery and cause their capacity to dwindle until they just wont take a charge anymore....

and notice what scottbee said if the resistance drops under 1.4Ω ... many of the LR atties start out at 1.5Ω ...and they have a tolerance of +/- .3Ω .... so it's real easy for them to drop under that 1.4Ω ...even new....

 

[THE]

what we're dealing with here is a combination of 2 issues...
one scottbee explains in the quote I quoted him in above

the other...the overall life...
at 3.1V (voltage of an eGo/riva etc....) a 1.5Ω LR atty has an amp draw of 2.47A...
the eGo 650mAh has a max drain rate of .65A
the riva 750mAh ............................... .75A
eGo XL 900 mAh................................ .90A
the hello 1300mAh ........................... 1.3A

they're all on borrowed time like I said.... the overstressing of them will damage the battery and cause their capacity to dwindle until they just wont take a charge anymore....

and notice what scottbee said if the resistance drops under 1.4Ω ... many of the LR atties start out at 1.5Ω ...and they have a tolerance of +/- .3Ω .... so it's real easy for them to drop under that 1.4Ω ...even new....

So, my 3ohm cartomizers will have an amp draw of 1.25A (assuming that the voltage is the same?) and that puts it just a **** hair under the hello016 max drain rate?? I should be okay, but I'm on the cusp... ??

 

[Drozd]

So, my 3ohm cartomizers will have an amp draw of 1.25A (assuming that the voltage is the same?) and that puts it just a **** hair under the hello016 max drain rate?? I should be okay, but I'm on the cusp... ??

assuming the same voltage....it'd actually be a 1.03A draw with a 3Ω carto... (it's voltage divided by resistance for amp draw)

but yeah it'd be close..

 

[THE]

assuming the same voltage....it'd actually be a 1.03A draw with a 3Ω carto... (it's voltage divided by resistance for amp draw)

but yeah it'd be close..

Still too close for comfort, but should be alot better than going off sticking a 1.5ohm load on it, too... for sure. It's no wonder these people are having problems with LR atomizers.

Truth be told I'll probably end up using one in spite of that ...

 

[Drozd]

Still too close for comfort, but should be alot better than going off sticking a 1.5ohm load on it, too... for sure. It's no wonder these people are having problems with LR atomizers.

Truth be told I'll probably end up using one in spite of that ...

lots of people do...they should just be aware that yeah they run their chances...at least one vendor now is warning about using LR atties on the eGo...

right now my personal favorite is a 1.5Ω LR 306 atty on a mod running a high drain AW IMR 14500 with a drip tip...almost exactly the same size as the eGo and more than enough power for it (the high drain 14500 has a max drain rate of 4A)

 

[THE]

I'd like to buy one of those little sisters one of these times
Variable voltage would be so nice to have

Do you run protected or unprotected batteries?

 

[Drozd]

I'd like to buy one of those little sisters one of these times
Variable voltage would be so nice to have

Do you run protected or unprotected batteries?

the only batteries I run are:
18650 (preference goes to the AW 2600mAh...but they're flat tops)
3V AW 16340 LiFePo4 (stacked for 6V)
3.7V AW IMR 16340 LiMN (for single 16340 or stacked 7.4V)
3.7V AW IMR 14500 LiMN high drain (for 14500 applications)

so they all have physical on cell protection...but the Li-Ion is the only one that has PCB protection (the others are safe chemistry so PCB is un needed)

 

[THE]

the only batteries I run are:
18650 (preference goes to the AW 2600mAh...but they're flat tops)
3V AW 16340 LiFePo4 (stacked for 6V)
3.7V AW IMR 16340 LiMN (for single 16340 or stacked 7.4V)
3.7V AW IMR 14500 LiMN high drain (for 14500 applications)

so they all have physical on cell protection...but the Li-Ion is the only one that has PCB protection (the others are safe chemistry so PCB is un needed)

What is IMR? The other type you or someone mentioned was ICM, right?
And which type are the Hello016??

What's LifePo4? Same is LiPo?

What does LiMN mean?

Sorry for all of the questions .. I can google it and stop being lazy

 

[ab357]

This happened to me last night. I was using a regular 510 atty that I'd been using for about a month. My Ego batteries (I lost 2 of them) were only about a month old also. I'm glad I found this thread because I was going to contact the supplier...but they were only under warranty for 14 days. I left them on the charger over night but no luck in getting them working again.

Has anyone had this problem on the Riva..maybe when I can afford it I'll try that instead of getting another Ego.

I never had any problems with my regular 510 batteries. They've been going strong for 7 months of constant use. Just switched to the Ego a month ago and I am not happy!

I too went through a battery "episode" a couple weeks ago when I walked out of the room and returned less than a minute later to discover my Hello smoking and red hot. The atty was too hot to remove by hand and by the time I got it off, the Hello was fried. Even the button covering had melted. In disbelief,I quickly burned out an eGo and 2 standard 510 batts. This was my second Hello batt to die. The first within the first couple weeks using regular attys. My greatest lesson was the difference in vendors.

The vendor I purchased the Hello kit from claimed my complaint was the first he heard. Although he did replace the first batt, I later learned he knew there was a problem with the first Hello batts by his own admission. The third and current Hello batt I just purchased. I did note that he didn't "remind" me that the dead one was still under warranty so no need to purchase one. I had two 5v PTs die from this same vendor. I'm not mentioning his name because I realize he doesn't manufacture the products, but honesty is HUGE with me.

This particular vendor sent out a third PT that lasted less than one and a half hours! He again claimed it was me, he stated he was using one of the returned PTs with no problem. He also stated that half of that shipment of PTs came unsealed but the third wasn't. Of course when it arrived, it too was unsealed. He later put a notice on his site that ALL of them are unsealed.

By this time I was so fed up and after some back and forth, I declined his offer for a refund and just ordered one from ElectronicStix and the difference in quality is night and day. Although I have not named the other vendor, he does have a huge following and some may know exactly who I'm referring to and chose to make this a debate. I don't have time for that! I'm also aware vendors can't post here but again, I haven't mentioned any names. My eGo battery was from Nicotine Nirvana. He simply told me to send in the dead one and he'll send out a replacement. He not only sent a new battery, he included a free LR atty. Now they deserve to be named.

Regarding the Riva, Rick gave me the choice of sending a new one or having him place credit for one on my account which I chose because I know they (EM) have a 1300 mAh Riva battery in the pipeline I'm waiting for.

Drozd: Yeah I know there's a drop off in the lifetime, etc. of using LR attys with these batts. Knowing it up front, I don't expect them to last 300 charging cycles. I am buying my time to go to a variable volt mod. I was going to order a Little Sister from Ken's until I learned the Big Brother will be coming out soon. I plan to wait until the kinks are worked out and go with the Big Brother. However new mods are practically falling out the trees. Something new may catch my eye in the meantime.

I use my 5v PT whenever I can including in transit of course with regular resistance attys. The batts are backups although I do tend to have at least one at the ready and vape different juices at the same time.

 

[Drozd]

What is IMR? The other type you or someone mentioned was ICM, right?
And which type are the Hello016??

What's LifePo4? Same is LiPo?

What does LiMN mean?

Sorry for all of the questions .. I can google it and stop being lazy

I didn't mention the other but it's ICR

ICR= Li-Ion....the C stands for cobalt
IMR= LiMN....lithium Manganese....M obviously stands for Manganese
the IMR are high drain/low internal resistance....

so I'm not 100% sure on it but I gues that would mean internal cobalt resistance (or resistor)...versus internal manganese resistance...

I believe the LiFePo4 is slightly different chemistry than LiPo...

 

[THE]

Alot of people are perplexed by this or don't know about it so I thought I'd bold it in


He said in his post:

the eGo 650mAh has a max drain rate of .65A
the riva 750mAh ............................... .75A
eGo XL 900 mAh................................ .90A
the hello 1300mAh ........................... 1.3A

and

"a 1.5Ω LR atty has an amp draw of 2.47A"
"assuming the same voltage....it'd actually be a 1.03A draw with a 3Ω carto"

 

[lrd3]

i got my ego a few mounths ago. i love it. batt last 4 ever and hits clean every time.
not to mention the charging proses is qiuk.
here comes the problem. after having several 5v and up mods renging from cheep box mods to the buzz. 3.7 just doesnt do it for me any more. so came my lr attys.....
it was love from first vape. about a week after i got them i had a batt die on me. by dead i mean any atty on it and all i get is a blinking light. volt meeter on it and zero volts.....
get the pic its dead. i figerd no big deal. its old i vape alot. so i get a new one to replace it.
my first one is going strong still till this day odd but true. so new batt full charge 3 days in to useing it and same same.... dead.... so i get onother one thinking its a "bad bad" things happen. well my nabore stops by (also a ego vapin guy) i converted him.
he borrowd a few lr cartos of me and hung out for a bit. and he left. the next day he called me. "dude i thought my ego batt just went dead and thought i need to charge it so i pute it on the charger pute on a fresh batt and that one died. we lost 4 ego batts to lr in a weeks time. i here ppl talking about it here and there but not enuf. if i didnt have extra mods kickin around here he and i both would have been smoking wile we wait for our replacment batts. plz consider all off this b4 u go for a lr atty on ur ego.