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N rustica

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I've read and been told several things about "second-hand" vapor.

I'd like to see what you've read about it. From what I've seen, many of the dangers of second hand smoke/vapor seems exaggerated and quite possibly fabricated. I'm usually in the car by myself, but when I'm with someone, I usually treat vaping like smoking...eg crack the windows and ask them to tell me if it bothers them.

I wouldn't ask a child to pump gas for me, I think there is a law that they are not allowed to.

I kind of get mad when I see parents hide their personal sex, drug and rock and roll habits from their children. When they find out, it's too late for them to feel comfortable asking questions. It's stupid and hateful to try to keep them in some fantasy world where they don't see a little bit of adult behavior and then never ask any questions about it.

I have a friend who I was staying with, and I asked her what her daughter's favorite food was. She couldn't tell me. She mentioned a lot that she's getting fat and only likes to eat "junk". It breaks my heart that some people are not interested in their own children.

The schools are busy filling heads with information about adult behavior and it's a good thing when a child comes home confused and then asks their parents "what they think" about what they are learning there. Sometimes a smart kid doesn't agree with their school OR their parents LOL :)
 

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Having quit smoking for 2 months, my kids enjoy watching me vape. On the other hand I make sure and keep a cross breeze going through the house to ensure their contact is minimized.

My kids seeing me quit something they have been taught by everybody as wrong, and go to something that seems harmless to them, and doesn't make them cough if they get into the cloud is a good lesson in my eyes.
 

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I started smoking because my father smoked. He was my hero and I wanted to be just like him. Kids will do what those that they love and trust do. Vaping around kids just doesn't make any sense to me.

Would you have not smoked if he hid it from you? Do you really think he'd have been able to do that? What would you have thought if he had tried to hide it and you found out?

If kids will do what those they love and trust do, then they'll believe what those they love and trust tell them. So take advantage of that. No kid wants to disappoint his hero. But when they hit a certain age, they don't try to emulate you. Pleasing their peers is more important. If you've done your job, instead of hiding your vices, they'll know what is harmful or not and won't be as likely to hurt themselves for the sake of peer approval.

My father smoked, but it had absolutely nothing to do with my smoking. I started smoking when I was 13 and I wouldn't have cared if my father ever smoked a day in his life. I did a lot of stuff my father never did, at least not that I know of. I think parents overestimate their influence on what their children do once they hit a certain age. Once their in their teens, your influence by example turns to influence by coercion. You've either molded their character by then or it's too late. Personally, I loved my father dearly, but when I hit 13 or so, he was the last person I wanted to be like. Not because he was bad or a loser or anything other than the fact that he was my father.
 

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N rustica, I've read a bunch of stuff from the FDA, American Cancer Society, and many random articles (mostly from the US).

The consensus is that there is not enough research.

I also just finished the link sailorman posted. Sotterra v. FDA was kind of amusing.

The consensus from the FDA, the ACS and the alphabet soup of ANTZ organizations is that there's not enough research?
SHOCKED I'LL TELL YOU! I'm shocked.
Do you think they'll ever be enough research for the dedicated foes of nicotine? The "Quit or Die" brigade? The waterboys for the pharmaceutical industry? Hahahahaha... Not on your life. They won't even admit that it's safer than smoking. They're concerned that it'll discourage people from total cessation. Quit or die. Harm reduction is not acceptable to them. This is a moral crusade, not a matter of research or public health.

Where are the studies on secondhand nicotine inhaler breath.

There's decades of research on nicotine. There's plenty of research on PG, or they wouldn't be using it as a carrier for inhalers and in hospital ventilation systems. They know what VG is and what it turns to when vaporized. The only thing they don't have enough research on is the affect of vaporizing flavors. The FDA, ALA, ACS, et.al. want ironclad proof that it's no more harmful than Alpine air before they concede that it's an acceptable alternative to cigarettes. They want proof that no child will ever take up vaping before they're willing to allow the lives of millions of smokers to be spared. They can go to hell.
 
I treat it like smoking when it comes to kids, I won't do it indoors with kids in the house and I try to get out of sight when outside. I agree that the vapor appears to be relatively harmless but I also don't drink alcohol around kids either. I consider both things to be things for adults to do and I prefer to minimize the exposure to kids.

This. I have no health concerns about the second hand either. Wife's an MD and has no concerns about me doing it near her from a medical standpoint. I DO however get the dagger eyes which can and frequently is dangerous to my health.
 

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I started smoking because my father smoked. He was my hero and I wanted to be just like him. Kids will do what those that they love and trust do. Vaping around kids just doesn't make any sense to me.

I started because I met a girl and everyone smoked including her.. and someone gave me a smoke as a joke.. so i started smoking it.. and as i did she walked over and sat next to me. we started talking more and I kept smoking more, but almost 19 years later we are still together.
She quit cold turkey about 2 years ago while battling a real bad cold, and i started vaping last year.
 

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Also about weight and disapation.

I like to play with my vape, by releasing is in or on things and watching it. it is very heavy and in a non breezy room will linger for awhile.
I use 70pg 30vg and one day I slowly blew my exhale into a little clear box and left it open and it stayed cloudy and non see through for about 5 mins. when i placed a lid on it it stayed somewhat cloudy for 9 mins and the vape settled on a thin layer in the bottom of the box for 20 mins and I was still able to blow it out when he lid came off.

I also noticed that during the winter time that the vape would settle near the floor if i was chain vaping.

So i think it does linger awhile..but mostly not as a nose/mouth level.
 

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The public won't be able to confirm this until long term studies are done. The pharmacuetical companies don't want this to happen, thats why they are paying politicians (mostly republicans) & lobbyists to push through regulations &/or the outlawing of all ecig circumstances.
Please add your voices to opposing any regulation or outlawing of vapor-based nicotine products or use of same!
Forgive my poor use of english or spelling. I wrote this in haste, as I am very passionate on the subject!
I don't want to start something, but please don't make this about political parties. "Republicans" have nothing to do with it...nor do democrats. It all comes down to money. All parties, whether they be republican, democrat, independent, tea party, libertarian, etc have their fare share of money grubbers with an interest in big tobacco or pharmaceuticals. All parties have their fare share of smokers that support big tobacco or pharm companies. Heck, I've quit smoking, but I will still supports smokers' rights and tobacco companies rights to produce their product....just like I will support someone's right to drink, or eat fast food, or LEGALLY own firearms. Why, you ask? Because freedom to do that stuff is the reason America was founded. There are plenty of countries that are ruled with iron fists, and we don't need America to become another one.


With that said, I will not pressure friends and family into switching from smoking to vaping. I will, instead, lead them by example...and let them make the choice on their own. The worst thing I EVER encountered as a smoker...was an EX-smoker who just thought that everyone needed to quit since they quit.

Would you have not smoked if he hid it from you? Do you really think he'd have been able to do that? What would you have thought if he had tried to hide it and you found out?

If kids will do what those they love and trust do, then they'll believe what those they love and trust tell them. So take advantage of that. No kid wants to disappoint his hero. But when they hit a certain age, they don't try to emulate you. Pleasing their peers is more important. If you've done your job, instead of hiding your vices, they'll know what is harmful or not and won't be as likely to hurt themselves for the sake of peer approval.

My father smoked, but it had absolutely nothing to do with my smoking. I started smoking when I was 13 and I wouldn't have cared if my father ever smoked a day in his life. I did a lot of stuff my father never did, at least not that I know of. I think parents overestimate their influence on what their children do once they hit a certain age. Once their in their teens, your influence by example turns to influence by coercion. You've either molded their character by then or it's too late. Personally, I loved my father dearly, but when I hit 13 or so, he was the last person I wanted to be like. Not because he was bad or a loser or anything other than the fact that he was my father.
Well said...

By the time I was 16, my dad had been smoking for 35 years, had bad circulation problems, vascular surgeries, lost toes on both feet, and eventually lost his left leg just below the knee. While the doctors finally diagnosed him with diabetes two years AFTER all of that, his current doctor states that he had PAD due mostly to his smoking...and that was why he was losing limbs. He continued to smoke despite all of that. Then, when I was 19, he had a heart attack and a minor stroke. He finally quit smoking 10 years later, and has been smoke free for 2 1/2 years so far.


The sad thing about all of that? I started smoking after he lost his leg...even after listening to his surgeon say "if you keep smoking, you're going to lose your other leg".

Moral of the story... I didn't take up smoking because my pop smoked, because I had already seen what it did to him. Instead, I started smoking because I started hanging out with a hot girl that smoked. I started smoking long after age of my parent's influence was even a factor anymore.
 

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Also about weight and disapation.

I like to play with my vape, by releasing is in or on things and watching it. it is very heavy and in a non breezy room will linger for awhile.
I use 70pg 30vg and one day I slowly blew my exhale into a little clear box and left it open and it stayed cloudy and non see through for about 5 mins. when i placed a lid on it it stayed somewhat cloudy for 9 mins and the vape settled on a thin layer in the bottom of the box for 20 mins and I was still able to blow it out when he lid came off.

I also noticed that during the winter time that the vape would settle near the floor if i was chain vaping.

So i think it does linger awhile..but mostly not as a nose/mouth level.

Vapor's been analyzed and is almost entirely water vapor. The reason it lasted in the box was because it couldn't evaporate. How long it lasts in the air is a function of the relative humidity of the air. In humid air, it won't evaporate as fast as in dryer air.

In normal room air, the water will dissipate and evaporate. Anything that is not water, that 0.1 nanogram of nicotine, will fall to the floor.
 

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I believe in openly vaping. If we hide it from kids and everyone else, then we are no better off than we were as smokers. We will be 3rd class citizens pushed off into a corner, out of sight. except this time, we'll be pushed off for no reason. Might as well push anyone else who is exhaling their slobber and bad breath into air...because vaping is no different or any more harmful.

Gotta let people know that smoking is finally on its way out, and vaping is here to stay for the foreseeable future.

As for kids being around people who vape... So what? Nicotine in the small amounts that we take in directly from our pv is probably no more poisonous than the gobs of poisonous chocolate or caffeine that kids inhale these days. I guarantee that we exhale no real 2nd-hand-obtainable trace of nicotine.
 

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I don't want to start something, but please don't make this about political parties. "Republicans" have nothing to do with it...nor do democrats. It all comes down to money. All parties, whether they be republican, democrat, independent, tea party, libertarian, etc have their fare share of money grubbers with an interest in big tobacco or pharmaceuticals....

That sounds all fair and balanced and all, but the facts of history clearly document otherwise. All you need do is go to any of the websites that track political contributions and it becomes obvious who receives the vast majority of BT and BP support. Perhaps you remember which House minority whip it was who got caught red-handed on C-Span, handing out checks from BT on the floor of the House. Look up the name of the Representative who single handedly, in the middle of the night, wrote a provision into the Medicare prescription drug plan prohibiting Medicare from negotiating drug prices like the VA does. And then see his name as the chief lobbyist for the BP trade association, PHARMA. All you need to do is go back in history to shortly after the "Southern Strategy" when the political parties changed in the South, after the Civil Rights Amendment. Notice who it was who was violently defending tobacco interests during every attempt to regulate the sale and advertising of cigarettes. Find out who were the traditional friends of tobacco since the day tobacco needed friends in government, and remains friends of BT even today.

One party has always been the stalwart friend of BP and BT. It's not finger pointing or partisanship. It's simple, documented history. It goes on to this day as one political party is fighting efforts by the other party to allow U.S. residents to import prescription drugs from Canada because it will cut into the profits of BP.

Sorry, you cannot balance truth and history with the "they all do it" canard. In the case of BT and BP, it's been too clearly lopsided for too long. Money dominates politics more than ever before. The Citizens United case was decided in a split decision by a majority of the Supreme court, a majority which lies clearly on one particular end of the political spectrum. They are all money grubbers, true enough, and we can talk about the finance Industry and, to some extent, the War industry. But the money from BP and BT has always flowed in one direction. And that direction has overwhelmingly been to the right.
 
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That sounds all fair and balanced and all, but the facts of history clearly document otherwise. All you need do is go to any of the websites that track political contributions and it becomes obvious who receives the vast majority of BT and BP support. Perhaps you remember which House minority whip it was who got caught red-handed on C-Span, handing out checks from BT on the floor of the House. Look up the name of the Representative who single handedly, in the middle of the night, wrote a provision into the Medicare prescription drug plan prohibiting Medicare from negotiating drug prices like the VA does. And then see his name as the chief lobbyist for the BP trade association, PHARMA. All you need to do is go back in history to shortly after the "Southern Strategy" when the political parties changed in the South, after the Civil Rights Amendment. Notice who it was who was violently defending tobacco interests during every attempt to regulate the sale and advertising of cigarettes. Find out who were the traditional friends of tobacco since the day tobacco needed friends in government, and remains friends of BT even today.

One party has always been the stalwart friend of BP and BT. It's not finger pointing or partisanship. It's simple, documented history. It goes on to this day as one political party is fighting efforts by the other party to allow U.S. residents to import prescription drugs from Canada because it will cut into the profits of BP.

Sorry, you cannot balance truth and history with the "they all do it" canard. In the case of BT and BP, it's been too clearly lopsided for too long. Money dominates politics more than ever before. The Citizens United case was decided in a split decision by a majority of the Supreme court, a majority which lies clearly on one particular end of the political spectrum. They are all money grubbers, true enough, and we can talk about the finance Industry and, to some extent, the War industry. But the money from BP and BT has always flowed in one direction. And that direction has overwhelmingly been to the right.

Fair enough. You state your case well, and I tip my hat to you. Much respect.

For the record, I did agree with what you said. I just can't lay the state of any one thing in this country on one party. They're ALL corrupt. We could stand here pulling punches at political parties all day long, and it won't change a thing. I just think we have too much political separation as it is, and it will lead this country into another cival war...based on following the political idiots we have running this country.

The important thing to note, is that we are all here on ECF on common grounds of making positive changes for ourselves individually, and helping each other out.
 

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Fair enough. You state your case well, and I tip my hat to you. Much respect.

For the record, I did agree with what you said. I just can't lay the state of any one thing in this country on one party. They're ALL corrupt. We could stand here pulling punches at political parties all day long, and it won't change a thing. I just think we have too much political separation as it is, and it will lead this country into another cival war...based on following the political idiots we have running this country.

The important thing to note, is that we are all here on ECF on common grounds of making positive changes for ourselves individually, and helping each other out.

I'll agree that most of them, on all sides, are corrupt. And you can't lay the state of all things on one party. They all have their specialties. In certain spheres they're equally at fault. In others, there's a clear trend one way or the other. It just so happens that, in the case of BP and BT, the trend is all too clear. On this board, the health do-gooders on the left take all the heat, while the real movers and shakers doing the bidding of BP and BT hide in the coolness of the shadows over on the right. Meanwhile, all those people who, two years ago, were waving teabags to save the future of vaping are suddenly quiet. Nobody remembers that C-Span episode with Boehner anymore. Good thing I'm not the type to say I told you so.

I agree wholeheartedly with the last paragraph BTW.
 

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I know the fan filters on my PC would get clogged up with sticky gunk from cigs every 3 or 4 weeks. Been vaping for 3 months and I can just knock 'em against a trash can and the dust falls out and they're clean and I've only had to do it once.

I wouldn't blow vapor into a kids face or anything. But otherwise it should be pretty safe. I'd still not vape around kids if you can help it though. Should be safe isn't definitely safe.
But definitely be sure to keep your juices away from them as nic juice can be very dangerous for children to come into contact with.
 

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I'll agree that most of them, on all sides, are corrupt. And you can't lay the state of all things on one party. They all have their specialties. In certain spheres they're equally at fault. In others, there's a clear trend one way or the other. It just so happens that, in the case of BP and BT, the trend is all too clear. On this board, the health do-gooders on the left take all the heat, while the real movers and shakers doing the bidding of BP and BT hide in the coolness of the shadows over on the right. Meanwhile, all those people who, two years ago, were waving teabags to save the future of vaping are suddenly quiet. Nobody remembers that C-Span episode with Boehner anymore. Good thing I'm not the type to say I told you so.

I agree wholeheartedly with the last paragraph BTW.
Indeed.

I am, for the most part, a conservative. However, I am also a person who is able to see things for what they are, and I take stands on a case-by-case basis. And, at the end of the day, until we can all come together as a nation of people, by the people, and for the people...we can expect more of the same from our governments big hand striking us down. Until left and right can learn to give a little bit of room to each other, and learn to stand together...we will continue to see our rights, freedoms, and privileges lobbied away. The government is more than happy to do it, because it gives us, as citizens, less power. My interests lie in what's best for this country as a whole, and not what's best for my party.


With that said. I'll stop getting off topic. I'm sure there's already a thread concerning government, lobbyists, and legislation somewhere.
 

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I know the fan filters on my PC would get clogged up with sticky gunk from cigs every 3 or 4 weeks. Been vaping for 3 months and I can just knock 'em against a trash can and the dust falls out and they're clean and I've only had to do it once.

I wouldn't blow vapor into a kids face or anything. But otherwise it should be pretty safe. I'd still not vape around kids if you can help it though. Should be safe isn't definitely safe.
But definitely be sure to keep your juices away from them as nic juice can be very dangerous for children to come into contact with.
I remember moving into an apartment one day. The walls were freshly painted bright white. When I moved out two months later...they were yellow. That was during the period in which I was smoking about 3 packs a day. I can only imagine what the inside of my lungs look like.
 
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