Organic and Natural DIY concentrates

[softex]

Hello!

Could you help to find a store selling organic or natural DIY concentrates and providing international shipping?

I have found some stores but:

NF (Natures Flavors) sells some organic concentrates but they include Arabic or Acacia gum which is not good for vaping.

Vaperite (Home) stopped talking to me after asking them to provide any certificate for their flavors. So I guess they are selling some untested chinese artificial flavors.

FF (http://www.faeriesfinest.com) sells flavors which are not certified, it's just a website telling that their flavors are natural, same as above.

So please advise me with any other store selling high quality flavor concentrates.

Thank you.

 

[alisa1970]

This is very interesting, as I am experiencing some skin/mucuous membrane reactions to certain juices, even ones that are organic and VG. It would be nice for those of us who have real reasons for asking to get the answers we need to be safe.

 

[SouthernBliss]

I'm going to point out that your going out on a limb yourself making claims about companies without actual proof. It isn't proof that someone is a fake simply because they don't disclose business information to someone they are not currently doing business with. Nor do you have any proof at all that flavors are from a foreign country simply because they don't send you a certificate. I can understand your being more comfortable with a certificate in hand but not handing you one does not give you the right to say anything that strikes your fancy about them.

 

[softex]

I'm going to point out that your going out on a limb yourself making claims about companies without actual proof.

There are strict regulations about using the words Natural and Organic in relation to the products. They must prove the natural or organic origin of their products. If an allergic individual die of some artificial ingredient included in their product, what will you say then?

 

[softex]

It isn't proof that someone is a fake simply because they don't disclose business information.

The product certificate isn't business information, it's for customers, it tells the product is approved and good for consumption.

 

[SouthernBliss]

Your "proof" that Nicapure is selling fake flavors is that they will not send you the certificates that they have on record correct? But no where did I see that they claim to create the flavorings used by their company. If they don't make the flavorings themselves then the certificates they have on record are from the companies that actually make the flavorings. Sending someone they don't know information on which exact flavorings they use is likely considered proprietary and not something they pass out randomly by email. Not being willing to share proprietary information does not make it fake.

I see that vaperite does sell flavorings but does not indicate that they themselves make those flavorings. Since there are a number of companies that re-bottle flavorings from Natures flavors and lorann naturals I would suspect that those are what you are purchasing. Again they don't have to disclose proprietary information about what brands they use. Them having the certificates from natures flavors does not require them to hand those over to you simply because you ask. Nor does it mean that they are somehow selling something suspect. Your fuzzy logic is that if they don't send you a copy of a certificate they have on hand for the company they use then they must be "selling some untested chinese artificial flavors." is pretty slanderous since you have no proof at all of that statement.

Your making accusations against companies that make organic e-juice simply because they won't send you the certificates from the companies they use. Would your time not be better served trying to get those certificates from the companies that actually create natural or organic flavorings rather than trying to brow beat e-juice producers out of that information? I would guess they are using the Natures flavors so perhaps you should contact them about which flavors do not use the gums.

 

[softex]

Your "proof" that Nicapure is selling fake flavors is that they will not send you the certificates that they have on record correct?

Incorrect. I prove nothing, I don't need to do this. I don't care about how they are doing their monkey business. If you sell something telling that it's gold then you have to prove it. If you can't give a proof then I have the right to say that your gold is fake. Why? Because you have the right to say that your gold is true.

 

[softex]

Moreover, by law, you haven't right to say that your gold is true without proving.

 

[DeeDee1234]

Incorrect. I prove nothing, I don't need to do this. I don't care about how they are doing their monkey business. If you sell something telling that it's gold then you have to prove it. If you can't give a proof then I have the right to say that your gold is fake. Why? Because you have the right to say that your gold is true.

Monkey bussiness? I heard thier's some good monkey juice. Butterscoth and cream I think

 

[DeeDee1234]

Moreover, by law, you haven't right to say that your gold is true without proving.

Only if they are claim 100% certified organic

 

[DeeDee1234]

Only if they are claim 100% certified organic

And even that is country specific to thier laws

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Before falsely accusing Vendors please read the info posted on their website:
"Nicapure Organic Flavors are GRAS and FEMA approved products, holding the highest in quality standards."

 

[SouthernBliss]

You seem to believe that it is acceptable to say anything about someone that you please simply because they did not share the information that you wanted. The thing is, them not sending you the certificates from the companies they use does not prove that the products they use are not organic. All it proves is that they are not sending you the individual the information on which flavorings they use and from what company.

The actual certification that is important is from the creating company anyway since they are the ones getting the certification. Even if the products bought from the e-juice producers turned out not to be organic they would be able to point at the company they purchased the flavors from and then the onus would fall on that company to explain. If the producing company made the e-juice in the belief that the certificate they held was valid then they were still working in good faith.

As far as the certification goes all they have to do is buy from a certified organic grower. Natures flavors is pretty clear that the flavors they can't get from organic growers are listed as natural instead. In other words if your really worried that the flavorings may not be organic then you should contact Natures flavors about that. But they are a large enough company that I would not start making wild claims about them unless your really looking for a fight.

 

[Jimi D.]

I don't get why ppl search for this "organic juice". The nicotine is extracted with chemicals. That throws the vegan, tree hugging bologna right out the window.

 

[kabonk]

I use a few natures flavors Organic Coffee and Tea Flavoring in my DIY and have for years. some of them are very good and other flavors are not so good and I believe ( but i could be wrong ) that vaperite uses a lot of their flavorings too because they taste a like.

 

[SouthernBliss]

I don't see any place that either site claims 100% organic certified or certification. Not of course that they can because as Jimi points out the nic is extracted chemically. I did see that Natures flavors has certification but no one else seems to even be claiming it. Nor does a lack of getting certification mean something does not contain organically grown products. Anyone can make an organic extract with organically grown produce and organic alcohol and not everyone would be interested in the multiple hoops required for a certification. But none the less the components would still be organically obtained.

 

[DeeDee1234]

Alot of people are looking for 100% organic certified latley, I haven't seen anybody finding any. Organic and pure however are two different things. You could have a organic juice or flavoring containing 10% bug mater AND STILL be 100% organic.

 

[SouthernBliss]

And in some cases organic/natural could be more harmful than artificial flavors. I know some people really worry about the citrus and cinnamon naturals due to the oils.

 

[DeeDee1234]

And in some cases organic/natural could be more harmful than artificial flavors. I know some people really worry about the citrus and cinnamon naturals due to the oils.

Dan in dyi, has a list of oils to stay away from. Some of the oils are bad,bad, It's
best to use the flavors meant for vaping. several companys have vape safe lines of flavoring. If you need the oil, no, no list I can try to scare it up for you

 

[SouthernBliss]

Pretty much any natural citrus contains the oils. I think naturally extracted peppermint has oils as well though not as strong and I don't think those are as scary as the citrus. Citrus oils are wonderful for cleaning and so forth so I can see why there is an issue with those. Which is sad because they are dead easy to do natural extractions with.