Other satisfying e-liquids / flavors like marlboro/camel

[deavidsedice]

After a year of vaping and trying different things, finally my girlfriend only smokes 2-3 analogs a day, but she still smokes.

The current setup is a 16350 battery with a mech mod kicked at 12w, and a kayfun with a single microcoil with cotton. This seems one of the best setups we ever tried.

I don't have any more room for improvement: she dislikes when I add more power, not because any burnt taste (maybe), she says there's too much flavour.

I believe the setup can be even better, but I think the problem is in the e-liquid.

She used to smoke marlboro (the regular ones). Now she is vaping the Hangsen Usa Mix (or marl-bo-ro in fasttech) at 18mg. She also likes the camel flavor. But every other flavor I bought (ry4, apple, vainilla, ...) end in the trash or are left intact.
I bought a Halo tribecca, and it was too strong for her. I gave it to a friend of mine for free.

She is still smoking because she wants (or needs) that "calming" effect from analogs, at least for the "important ones" (after wake up, lunch; and before sleeping)

After research, i learnt that calming effect comes from WTA. I tried to explain to her what they are, but with no luck. Even before i considered if it's worth trying something with WTA she said no.

But maybe if she uses a 2nd flavour (one more intense or something) for those 2 or 3 analogs helps her to quit smoking. But i'm not sure.
(I also own a Vamo V5 and a magma dripper, so they can be used to easily vape a different flavour.)

I need some advice. I'm not a smoker, the flavours i like get totally rejected; And the flavours she likes taste horribly to me.

 

[The Torch]

I have a Nautilus tank with higher nic juice in it just for those important nicotine intake moments (for me, after dinner and late snacks), works great.

Don't be dazzled that she likes very different flavors if one of you smokes and the other one never has... cigarettes taste really horrible and also numb your taste buds on top of it.

 

[Huh?!]

Not sure if this is against forum rules, but I have some aroma ejuice beetle juice with WTA that I can give to you. It helped me a lot in stopping smoking completely. I don't use it anymore because I've dropped my nic levels to 6mg.

 

[chopdoc]

The most important question hasnt been answered. Does she want to quit? Since I quit smoking my GF started puffing on the Blu's. I tried to get her to try mine but she really isnt interested yet and until she actually wants to quit I know forcing it on her would do more harm than good. With your lady smoking only 2 or 3 a day while vaping seems to me she can quit any time she wants but really doesnt want to yet. Just my

 

[RedBeard4081]

Hiya, I second and third the above advice. I puff 24mg juice in the morning and during the work day, and I use 18mg in the evening and on weekends.
Also I'm about to order some WTA. It sounds like that extra kick I need.

About flavors, at the top of this page is an ad for - real-tobacco-extract.com - (well it was) and they offer some really stunning tobacco flavors. It's called NET - naturally-extracted-tobacco. Extracts drawn from tobacco leaf. It doesn't taste like a cigarette it tastes like tobacco smells, really good tobacco. It's pricey, too pricey for me to vape all the time but man is it good when I do.

The taste is not stronger it's richer and more complex than even the good tobacco flavored eliquids. Their Cowboy and Turkish (my fave) are dead on and they do have a sample pack deal for ECF.

There are several NET vendors that people like so try one of them and see what you think.

Best wishes to you and your lady and Keep On Vapin' - Red

 

[deavidsedice]

The most important question hasnt been answered. Does she want to quit? Since I quit smoking my GF started puffing on the Blu's. I tried to get her to try mine but she really isnt interested yet and until she actually wants to quit I know forcing it on her would do more harm than good. With your lady smoking only 2 or 3 a day while vaping seems to me she can quit any time she wants but really doesnt want to yet. Just my

You're right. But the story is more complicated than a yes or no to your first question.
To be concise, she wants to quit, but she doesn't want to put any effort on quitting. She doesn't see any problem on smoking and it feels good for her, so quitting isn't something that her needs to do. It's more because her habit it's hurting to me. (We live together)

I don't want to put pressure on her, and the e-cig was my idea. It was like: try it and see what happens. And this is what happened: from 15-20 analogs per day to 2 or 3. The house never smelled better! Also, she enjoys vaping.

I'm very happy with the results, but i think it's a pity: she is only 3 analogs away from being smoke-free.

So, here i am, searching for something that could replace those analogs.

 

[chopdoc]

The local vape shop here where I live says they can match flavors and I tried a pall mall one the other day. It was ok but not great to me but others seems to like it. They are a national chain called create a cig and has a web page. You can try them if you like. Create A Cig Vapor & Electronic Cigarettes - Austin's First Vapor Shop

But if I was you I wouldnt get my hopes up. As you said she has been vaping for a year and smokes only 2 or 3 a day now. She doesnt want to quit would be my guess and is humouring you.

 

[deavidsedice]

Another related question, to marlboro ex-smokers:

There's any flavour you specially liked when started vaping?

I'm going to buy probably from here: LÍQUIDOS

They have:
* HALO
* FIVE PAWNS
* BLACK LABEL
* THE BLUEPRINT VAPE
* YO VAPEO (their own trademark)
* STANDARD VAPE
* JACKSON VAPOR
* FACTORY
* ATMOSLAB
* HANGSEN
* DEKANG
* JOYETECH

I'm interested if any of these make a good replacement for marlboro. Sometimes my gf liked some sweet tobacco flavours, so I'm looking for advice from people with the similar tastes as my gf. (and not looking for exacly a flavour that tastes exactly as marlboro)

For example, i know Halo make good ones (but very expensive). But seems their flavour is too strong for my lady.
Hangsen is ok for everyday vaping.
And she doesn't like Dekang.

 

[deavidsedice]

Today I coiled the magma at 1.8ohm, dual coil.
We received a bottle of hangsen ry4 18mg and my gf says it's too hard, like a cigar. (to me smells like sweet tobacco)

Finally she is trying the magma at 5.2v, 15w and the flavour is dekang Marlboro from fasttech.
It's more power than before, hopefully it will help.

It's possible that she confuses taste with throat hit?
Most of the strong liquids i have are 70pg/30vg.

 

[VannyPak]

Has she tried Tribeca from Halo? It's the only Tobacco flavor I can stand besides Witchers Brew.

 

[The Torch]

Today I coiled the magma at 1.8ohm, dual coil.
We received a bottle of hangsen ry4 18mg and my gf says it's too hard, like a cigar. (to me smells like sweet tobacco)

Finally she is trying the magma at 5.2v, 15w and the flavour is dekang Marlboro from fasttech.
It's more power than before, hopefully it will help.

It's possible that she confuses taste with throat hit?
Most of the strong liquids i have are 70pg/30vg.

I don't think so. More power means more flavor, but it also changes the flavor a lot and brings out the more subtle notes whether we like them or not. Sometimes changing the power level can make the difference between not being able to handle a juice and liking it. It can also make throat hit too much or too little at the same time, so adjusting nic level is most often necessary once we find the right wattage.

 

[deavidsedice]

Has she tried Tribeca from Halo? It's the only Tobacco flavor I can stand besides Witchers Brew.

Yes, she tried it, and i had to give it to a friend because she can't vape it. It is too strong. But my friend (also a marlboro smoker) enjoyed it a lot.

I don't think so. More power means more flavor, but it also changes the flavor a lot and brings out the more subtle notes whether we like them or not. Sometimes changing the power level can make the difference between not being able to handle a juice and liking it. It can also make throat hit too much or too little at the same time, so adjusting nic level is most often necessary once we find the right wattage.

So that means it can be anything. Whenever she doesn't like it, she tries to lower the voltage; but even at low voltage ry4 is too much flavor for her.

Sometimes, the flavor gets better with a different atomizer. I'm using RDA because those seems to give the best flavor. But some coils give too much flavor, others none, or burnt taste. Finding the right coil is also hard. Ry4 maybe too much in a dual coil but ok on a small e-cig like the 510. (I still have the first two 510 batteries working)

I think i'm getting closer; yesterday night i believe she hasn't smoked (at least, the rooms doesn't smell to me).

This morning I diluted about 3ml of hangsen ry4 18mg with 1ml of base 50/50 18mg, (not exactly, i don't have tools to measure). I will let the mix to rest all day, and see if it's better or worse than the ry4 alone. I hope, having less flavor and more VG it should be better in some sense.

By the way, the magma at 15w gives lots of clouds

 

[VannyPak]

Have you tried to dilute a flavor with distilled water for her?

 

[deavidsedice]

Have you tried to dilute a flavor with distilled water for her?

Not yet, i have vpg base and i don't see why it will be better distilled water from a base. I've read of people adding water or vodka to 100% VG liquids to make them "wickable".

She tried now the dilluted liquid i prepared adding vpg, and it's ok, even at high voltages. Seems a higher vg is better. Most liquids are 80/20 or 70/30, and for the power we're using maybe a lower VG will be preferable.

But here's the surprise: she filled this morning the kayfun with hangsen ry4 and she loves this flavour. The problem was with the magma; the very same liquid is ok on the kayfun. The magma has double coil, so seems she gets double flavour even at low volts.

She says the ry4 on the kayfun gives more flavor and it's better to avoid analogs. She hasn't smoked yet a single analog since last night

 

[Aheadatime]

You have to consider that maybe she doesn't want to completely quit cigarettes yet. It's not just a physical addiction, but an emotional and psychological one as well. It could be much harder than you can imagine to stop smoking those last 3 cigarettes a day that she' down to.

 

[The Torch]

Yes, she tried it, and i had to give it to a friend because she can't vape it. It is too strong. But my friend (also a marlboro smoker) enjoyed it a lot.


So that means it can be anything. Whenever she doesn't like it, she tries to lower the voltage; but even at low voltage ry4 is too much flavor for her.

Sometimes, the flavor gets better with a different atomizer. I'm using RDA because those seems to give the best flavor. But some coils give too much flavor, others none, or burnt taste. Finding the right coil is also hard. Ry4 maybe too much in a dual coil but ok on a small e-cig like the 510. (I still have the first two 510 batteries working)

I think i'm getting closer; yesterday night i believe she hasn't smoked (at least, the rooms doesn't smell to me).

This morning I diluted about 3ml of hangsen ry4 18mg with 1ml of base 50/50 18mg, (not exactly, i don't have tools to measure). I will let the mix to rest all day, and see if it's better or worse than the ry4 alone. I hope, having less flavor and more VG it should be better in some sense.

By the way, the magma at 15w gives lots of clouds

All RY4`s are not created equal. I've had some I liked and some I definitely passed on. Sounds like the mix and RBA change is a good step in the right direction.

You have to consider that maybe she doesn't want to completely quit cigarettes yet. It's not just a physical addiction, but an emotional and psychological one as well. It could be much harder than you can imagine to stop smoking those last 3 cigarettes a day that she' down to.

I agree that the last move to quit is probably THE one hardest step. You need the right motivation to get through that one and it has to come from the inside. It is also a question of finding the right setup and the right juice - which you seem to understand pretty well.

 

[GroovyBrew]

I use WTA infused liquids, but since WTA is a no-go for her, the other closest thing I've found to a Marboro is Halo's Torque56. Hope this helps.

 

[Lynn Miller]

I have smoked Marlboro lights for nearly 30 years. I have been vaping for almost a month now and slowly reducing the amount of analogs. I'm like your gf, down to just a few a day and boy are those hard to give up! I have tried several tobacco flavors now and none of them taste good to me. I have also tried several creams and fruits and although they are good they aren't what I want all the time. In the past week I tried an Irish Cream flavor and man do I love it. I never would have thought a chocolate type vape would be the flavor that would finally get me off the analogs (I very rarely eat chocolate). I love this vape and I am down to one analog in my pack. Maybe today will be the day!

So maybe your gf just hasn't found that one flavor yet! 2 or 3 a day isn't bad at all!

 

[deavidsedice]

I am aware of how hard is quitting/reducing those 2-3 analogs. I don't put any pressure on her, and she smokes when she wants, i almost never say anything about that.
I don't have any hurry. We have lots of time and, as you said 2-3 analogs isn't bad at all. I'm very happy of that, and proud of her
I was looking for advice because i was on a dead end, everything i tried got rejected.

She is on those 2-3 analogs from July (about 3 months). If she continues smoking only those for a couple of months more, i hope she will less addicted to other components on the analog, and maybe then would be easy to switch to vaping.

When she vaped using the magma, she could manage 24 hours without any analog. Maybe she only needs more nic. When she switched from 5-7 analogs to 2-3, it was because of the new kayfun, and she started to consume more ml of ejuice; that means more nic per day.

There's almost nothing i can do in the short term; i want to try eliquids with more nic and with less PG, but I recently got lots of eliquids (about 200ml) and I should wait until she depletes some bottles.

Thanks to all of you!

 

[JmanEspresso]

From what your telling us, I can give you two piece of advice which I think will be ideal.

#1- get you OWN device to vape with. If you want to go ahead and try all the delcious flavor the vaping world has to offer, go do it. BELIEVE ME, Hangsen is the seagull sitting on the tippy-top of the iceberg. There is a epic world of flavours out there that will blow your mind.

#2- Go with higher VG. I can almost guarantee its the throat hit that is turning her off. Cigarettes do not have a throat hit, even if you hardcore lung inhale a full flavor menthol, there is barely a throat hit. Thats the kind of cig I used to smoke, and shortly after getting into vaping I tried a cigarette again, and the first thing I noticed aside from the god awful revolting taste, was that there is NO throat hit. Throat hit is something you MIGHT start to crave as a vapor.. some vapor hate throat hit, some love it, some want a major throat hit, some want a mild throat hit.

That high PG liquid your vaping is gonna give a hefty throat hit. Me personally, I couldnt vape 70pf/30vg if I tried. 50-50 is the lowest amount of VG I can vape, and the majority is around 70% VG. I dont usually vape 100%VG, but thats just because of liquid choice.. I dont have any issue vaping a max VG liquid.


best of luck to you my friend