Outrageous New Federal tax on Analogs

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Steph2323

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This bill is supposed to be signed by Obama and will raise the federal tax on one pack of analogs from .39 cents to a dollar!! I believe that it also increases the tax on smokeless tobacco,ect. I am so happy that I have found the e-cig,but still think this is out of control. How can they keep picking on one group of people and get away with it?
Stephanie
 

Catman51

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I'm glad to be off them. I was buying out of state from the Indians in NY or NM, the beginning of the year they raised prices (still cheap compared to CA), but tax, tax tax!
My theory is there are 3 things they tax the most, Cigs, Gas and Alcohol.
If everybody quits cigs, gas and booze go sky high!
 

Cage

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How can they keep picking on one group of people and get away with it?
Stephanie

Because of the way we complain:

"WHAT??? They're raising the taxes on them again!!???
THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS!!! UNFAIR!!! UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!"

"So you'll give up smoking rather than pay the tax then?"

"Well, no...
BUT I THINK IT REALLY SUCKS!!!!!!" :cry:
 

Steph2323

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You know, early americans fought over tax. Boston tea party? But yet now we put up with it. I wish there was an organization to join that was more than words.
There are smokers rights groups but they seem to be losing the battle. We could all simply contact our legislators and voice our concerns. I realize this will do little to nothing, but it will get our voices heard and that's all that we can do. I'm so happy to be off of cigs and not have to pay those taxes.
Stephanie
 

TropicalBob

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Obama signed this Wednesday, with great fanfare. Virtually every tobacco product is impacted by higher taxes. As for roll-ups, they want them GONE. Now, the pity of it all is that smokers today are found mostly among the least-educated, lowest-income segment of society. And smokers will pay whatever price to satisfy an addiction (it goes far beyond DESIRE). So children of poor families will go without food because mom or dad bought cigarettes and spent too much.

Not to mention that if higher taxes lower the number of smokers, then funding for the future of this program will decrease over time. That means still higher taxes. It's a terrible way to fund health care for the few (even smokers might not object to health care funding for smokers, or everyone).

Here's the notice I got from my tobacconist this morning:
Tobacconists and their customers are once again in the crosshairs of Federal tobacco tax increases. Please take a moment to read this important message.

As you may already know, the Federal government has determined that a tobacco tax increase is a valid funding mechanism for the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP). Most of the news has centered on cigarette tax increases, which doesn’t significantly affect Milan Tobacconists or our customers. However, cigars and pipe tobacco face hefty tax increases as well, and that’s where you will be directly affected.

SCHIP is a federal program that provides health insurance through your state to children from families under, at, or near the poverty level. Now, of course, no one wants to see children go without health care, but the expansion broadens eligibility to such a degree that the children of legal immigrants are covered and, in certain cases, families with incomes at 300 percent of poverty level can enroll now – removing their children from private health insurance coverage and enrolling them in SCHIP. The method of funding is unstable – an astronomical tobacco tax increase on cigars, pipe tobacco, and cigarettes – but it’s here now and all of us have to live with it.

Some details of the Federal tax increases, which go into effect April 1, 2009, follow:

Pipe Tobacco Tax Increase: From $1.10 per pound to $2.83 per pound.
Large Cigar Tax Increase: From a cap of $.05 per cigar to a cap of $.40 per cigar.
Small Cigar Tax Increase: From $.04 per pack to $1.07 per pack.
Cigarette Tax Increase: From $.39 per pack to $1.01 per pack. This is in addition to your respective state taxes.
Roll-Your-Own Tobacco Tax Increase: From $1.10 per pound to $24.78 per pound (not a typo).
Chewing Tobacco Tax Increase: From $.20 per pound to $.50 per pound.
Snuff Tobacco Tax Increase: From $.59 per pound to $1.51 per pound.
Please know that Milan has been fighting this increase through our lobbyists and member organizations for years, but, with the passing of the SCHIP legislation, it is now completely out of our control and we are as dismayed by the end result as you must be.

Yet another new tax has been introduced called the floor tax. This tax applies to any tobacco products (except cigars) that are on the tobacconist’s floor prior to the April 1, 2009, tax increase, so we will have to reduce our inventory levels in order to avoid an enormous tax burden. As a result, we will have very little pipe tobacco in our store by March 31st, which is why we recommend that you order several weeks in advance of the deadline. We will restock after April 1st, but, as with all other tobacconists, the new pipe tobacco prices will reflect the tax increases.

It is a sad state of affairs that tobacconists and their customers are once again being unfairly targeted by taxation. We have long believed that everyone should share in the burden of supporting uninsured children, not just you and our industry. Unfortunately, our hard-fought battle did not result in victory, but, believe it or not, the tax increases would have been even more staggering if we had not fought at all.

If you would like to voice your opinion regarding this decision, please visit Contact Elected Officials: USA.gov and send a message to President Obama and your state-elected officials today!

Doesn't it thrill you to know that eager business people are putting up billboards challenging President Obama to take up e-smoking? Someone near him might note, ooops, we forgot to include those in the list .... let's look into that "smoking" practice.
 

Frankie

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You are happy people.

You have a very liberal government with low taxation levels. In my country the tax (taxes, there are several) is 75% of the consumer price of cigarettes. For Marlboros that would mean some 3 dollars...

The tobacco taxes will continue rise because the govenrment is in the position of a drug lord taking profits from goods that the addicts cannot just stop to use. Or at least some 90% of them, which is enough.
 

PeteMcArthur

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You are happy people.

You have a very liberal government with low taxation levels. In my country the tax (taxes, there are several) is 75% of the consumer price of cigarettes. For Marlboros that would mean some 3 dollars...

The tobacco taxes will continue rise because the govenrment is in the position of a drug lord taking profits from goods that the addicts cannot just stop to use. Or at least some 90% of them, which is enough.

Same here Frankie, a packet of cigs is now approaching £6.00. Good thing I don't smoke them anymore
 

Steph2323

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You are happy people.

You have a very liberal government with low taxation levels. In my country the tax (taxes, there are several) is 75% of the consumer price of cigarettes. For Marlboros that would mean some 3 dollars...

The tobacco taxes will continue rise because the govenrment is in the position of a drug lord taking profits from goods that the addicts cannot just stop to use. Or at least some 90% of them, which is enough.

That is just the federal tax. State taxes vary. I was paying 4.50 a pack in Pennsylvania before the tax hike, which is much cheaper than other states.
So glad to not be paying them anymore!
Stephanie
 

TropicalBob

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Remember that those tax increases are only the federal portion of the final taxation. States whack tobacco with even higher taxes in many locations. It's ludicrous what smokers are forced to pay.

And isn't it sad that greedy bankers and Wall Street types stick their hands out for taxpayer money to subsidize their "rich and famous" lifestyle while there is one industry the government is trying its best to eliminate, one that is profitable and does not have its hand stuck out -- Big Tobacco.

Wanna kick some ...., Congress? There are plenty of fat ones hanging from Wall Street windows.
 

jennydotz

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This is exactly why I want to quit smoking! I want to stop being part of this shameful cycle. These gov't agencies--local, state and fed--that pretend to be motivated by public health on the front end and happily take our sin tax dollars at the back door. It's absolute exploitation and hypocrisy. Then we become pawns of the medical, insurance and pharmaceutical industries.
 
You guys already pay much less than us in canada , I pay on average 12.50-13 dollars per pack . Which the government takes about 10 bucks of , here's a short breakdown per carton for those interested :p.


  • The manufacturers' price (as of October, 1997) is $9.69.
  • The federal excise duty is $5.50.
  • The federal excise tax is $5.36.
  • The provincial tobacco tax is $14.00.
  • The wholesale/retail margin is about 11%, or $3.80.
  • There is no provincial sales tax.
  • The federal G.S.T. adds 7%, or $2.68.
  • The total price is therefore $41.02.
 

Nuck

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You guys already pay much less than us in canada , I pay on average 12.50-13 dollars per pack . Which the government takes about 10 bucks of , here's a short breakdown per carton for those interested :p.


  • The manufacturers' price (as of October, 1997) is $9.69.
  • The federal excise duty is $5.50.
  • The federal excise tax is $5.36.
  • The provincial tobacco tax is $14.00.
  • The wholesale/retail margin is about 11%, or $3.80.
  • There is no provincial sales tax.
  • The federal G.S.T. adds 7%, or $2.68.
  • The total price is therefore $41.02.

To be fair though, having socialized medicine is a decent justification for much higher taxes on any product with such vast and varied health risks. Even at that level, our taxes don't cover the cost that smokers place on the health care system.

I'm sure the same justification will be used to tax the hell our of esmoking as soon as the government catches up with the technology.
 

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Doesn't it thrill you to know that eager business people are putting up billboards challenging President Obama to take up e-smoking? Someone near him might note, ooops, we forgot to include those in the list .... let's look into that "smoking" practice.[/quote]

Sun, good point on the billboards. The Anti-Smoking gang is so radical I can see them going after e-vaping (this is the term I plan to use) without caring that it is actually benefiting their big cause.
 
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