Peg, vg, pg

[TTP]

Could someone please tell me the differences between them and the advantage/disadvantage of each?

(I'm thinking of getting a mixing kit from Totally wicked)

Tkx

 

[servozoom]

VG is thicker, produces more smoke and is organic.
PG is thinner, gives more of a TH something I don't like.

PG contains DEG a carcinogen, that's left behind when the PG is purified. The maximum concentratrion of DEG permitted in USP PG is 0.1%. I don't even like that amount.

You'll find that most of your flavors are in a PG solution, so at a 20% flavor mix, and using 80% of VG Nicotine Base. I get a good proportion.

My base is 24mg/ml nicotine in VG, so mixed I come up with about a 19mg/ml juice, I like it.

This is the most info I could find about the inhalation of these (fogging agents)

http://www.esta.org/tsp/working_groups/FS/docs/cohen.pdf

 

[TTP]

OK, Thaks.I'll keep that in mind.
What about PEG? how does it compare?

 

[servozoom]

Can't tell you anything from my experience, I've never used it, and don't know who is. But I did a google and found this
Polyethylene glycol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[swedishfish]

Doctors prescribe polyethylene glycol (miralax) as a laxative.

 

[FatBill]

Doctors prescribe polyethylene glycol (miralax) as a laxative.

EEEUUUWWWW. Who uses PEG ?

 

[servozoom]

Yes, I see that Totally Wicked is using it in some juice.

All I could find is this:

"Great for anyone who may be allergic to PG or VG E juice or E liquids"

I get stomach upset from PG, and for some people's units VG is too thick, so PEG may be offered as an alternative.
You can always cut a little with distilled or purified water, some use alcohol.
30ml PEG400 E Liquid | PEG 400 E-LIQUID |30ml PEG 400 E-JUICE
I've been using some flavors that are in a Triacetin base, I believe that flavor manufaturers are using PG mostley becasue it's a better solvent.
I seem to get that TH off of the Triacetin, but to avoid the little bit of DEG that you get from PG, I'll accept that.
I can't find anything negative about it, but it does have a bitter taste.

 

[Descente36]

hey, PEG 400 is the most expensive so its gotta be the best one right. right?

 

[AlmightyGod]

In Europe, PEG is very inexpensive, and is used quite often in their e-liquids.
PG is much more expensive there, because it is regulated.

 

[Rosco]

http://www.diyflavorshack.com/default.asp

They have great customer service. You get a discount for anything over $20(see home page) and this is their specialty. You want D.I.Y.? Go with someone who does it and knows it, but just someplace that has add-ons.
Besides, at least when you pay, you don't get charged a UK extra charge on paypal even tho you order from Florida. It's a UK busines, not a USA business, that's why.

Excellent reviews matter.

 

[servozoom]

I would go here for your DYI stuff DIY

The best FDA approved food grade flavors I've tried are here Perfumers Apprentice - Professional DIY Flavors

Use this on-line caculator: Phi Nguyen's Portfolio - eJuice

I think that Wicked kit you're talking about is over priced.

 

[Rosco]

I would go here for your DYI stuff DIY

The best FDA approved food grade flavors I've tried are here Perfumers Apprentice - Professional DIY Flavors

Use this on-line caculator: Phi Nguyen's Portfolio - eJuice

I think that Wicked kit you're talking about is over priced.

I agree. FSUSA has great "everything" and that wicked place is nothing but over priced, over hyped stuff.

 

[TTP]

TY all.
this is still a learning experience for me.

 

[DmdJoe]

PEG is PEG 400 USP made by Dow. Also, referred as Polyethylene Glycol 400. It is heavier then PG, but lighter then VG.

In regards to safety, I know of no one that can display any data on PEG 400 in ECig applications or inhaling applications. Lots of info is out on PG because, it is so widely used in so many applications. All 3 are USP grades so they are approved for food and medical applications.

I found a couple good sites to purchase products that are Kosher, they have a Certificate of Analysis, and are packaged the correct way. Be careful purchasing PG and VG online, there are a lot of people not doing it correctly out there, trying to make a buck!


Check them out. www.PropyleneGlycolUSP.com and www.VegetableGlycerin.com.

I wish I could tell you more. There is a site out there called www.PEG400.com.

 

[DmdJoe]

One other note, make sure to purchase your PG or Glycerin labeled as Kosher! The Kosher symbol has a OU copyright symbol (A U encircled with an O). This means a rabbi has blessed the product and the rabbi has viewed the packaging process. If it is labeled Kosher it is safe for food usage. A kosher product can not be third partied labeled. If a copy does have a Kosher stamp and it being dishonest, the Jewish community will file trademark violations against them and they will be shut down ASAP.

 

[TTP]

lol. I never thought I'd be looking for a kosher mark on nicotine...Tkx.

Am I correct in assuming that "Aqueous Glycerine" is the british equivalebnt to VG?

 

[dave_walton]

lol. I never thought I'd be looking for a kosher mark on nicotine...Tkx.

Am I correct in assuming that "Aqueous Glycerine" is the british equivalebnt to VG?

I am a bit confused about this as I have been using a bottle of AG I got from TW as part of a mixing kit. I also have a bottle of Dr. Oetker Glycerine that I got from Tesco but I haven't tried that yet.