I am vaping Goodejuice's Ice Cold Menthol at the moment.
It has almost zero flavor.
It does produce a ton of "sensation."
It has a very satisfying throat hit, burns clean in my carto and produces tons of vapor. (18mg... 50/50). @ 5volts with a 3.0 ohm Ikenvape 801 fusion carto.
No aftertaste whatsoever...outside of the icy cooling menthol sensation.
I am on day 4 with the same carto... and there's no drop in the cartos performance...
Flavor is great, but I think in our elusive quest to find the best tasting or most authentic tasting juice, we often forget about performance... or we sacrifice it -
If sweet and tasty foods make us fat... then sweet and tasty vapes often kill cartos and create hardware frustration.
I believe it's time to make "performance" part of the conversation again.
So, I copied and am pasting a segment of Dr. V's long and informative and entertaining reflection on juices...
Screw it, let's start with a clean slate
The most overlooked aspect of making juice is performance.
Broken down to the most basic set of criteria, we need to provide an experience that will satisfy the recent ex-smoker. As good as some of the newer artificially flavored juices are, a Camel smoker is not going to jump the fence for Blackberry Lemonade Menthol. Maybe 6 months down the road, but for now we have to help them fool their brain so they can kick tobacco and stay off.
Forget about all the approaches. That's the repertoire you'll pull from to make your juice, but you need to concentrate on the basics. Two words. Performance and flavor.
Clean burning juice that provides satisfying throat hit is crucial. You have to feel like you're vaping something of substance, otherwise it's just eating a bag of Doritos to keep from smoking a cigarette and you're still thinking about that cigarette. All the time. You can not underestimate the importance of performance in your juice. Clean burning, because juice that is hard on attys means your atty is going to produce its best output for a very short amount of time, and then the vaper is stuck getting only a percentage of their juice's flavor and impact. I am very careful about how frequently I vape juice that doesn't burn well, and I really, really appreciate juice that doesn't make me have to think about it.
Throat hit. The law of diminishing returns kicks in quick, but smoking was like that too. If you chain smoke your cigarette doesn't have much impact, but if you haven't smoked one in 4 hours it's like sex. Nicotine plays a big role in that, but so does throat hit. I absolutely need awesome throat hit to keep me satisfied and I doubt that will ever change.
Good quality, pure PG plays a huge role in this. If your nic base turns yellow after a few weeks, you're using insecticide. Start over. Juices that significantly darken as they sit are made using subpar base. Good base stays clear. PG allergies aside, PG is the primary suspension agent in asthma inhalers. Don't worry about vaping it if you're tolerant. I have far more concerns about VG being a vegetable fat than I have about PG, which is in everything from commercial tobacco to candy to medicine.
Nicotine of course, but a vaper should stick with the nic level their body needs and not try to compensate for poor performing juice by overdosing themselves on nicotine to get more throat hit.
PGA. Hmm. I always said that I didn't trust someone who added PGA to their juice for added throat hit. I think I am going to reverse my position on that. One vendor I really like has juice that burns so clean I swear that it cleans attys. It must have added PGA, it just must. I happen to think that juice is really satisfying too, so don't rule out a light handed application of PGA.
Flavorings play a role in throat hit, but you're at the mercy of the flavorings used whether or not they will be a performance factor.
Lastly, we need a flavor that helps people make the jump, whether that means a natural tobacco or something that fools the brain into thinking tobacco. Whatever works. The really good ones capture some aspect that helps the illusion. A smoky exhale, a dry inhale with great throat hit, anything that helps people forget they aren't smoking anymore. Method doesn't matter here, it's about the end result.
What makes a successful vaper is performance. If the performance is there, people won't stray back to cigarettes. It's the elusive target of making juice that scratches the itch. Throat hit, flavor, that feeling of satisfaction in your chest when you inhale the vapor. The needs of the new vaper are quite different than the needs of the veteran. Apple pie ala mode with great throat hit will work once you've been vaping for a while, but the new vaper is too close to their last cigarette to accept something so alien when their brain is craving and expecting something so different.
spelling error in title, I know... addo scientia
entire post: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...scussion/206373-vapenstein-addo-scientia.html
It has almost zero flavor.
It does produce a ton of "sensation."
It has a very satisfying throat hit, burns clean in my carto and produces tons of vapor. (18mg... 50/50). @ 5volts with a 3.0 ohm Ikenvape 801 fusion carto.
No aftertaste whatsoever...outside of the icy cooling menthol sensation.
I am on day 4 with the same carto... and there's no drop in the cartos performance...
Flavor is great, but I think in our elusive quest to find the best tasting or most authentic tasting juice, we often forget about performance... or we sacrifice it -
If sweet and tasty foods make us fat... then sweet and tasty vapes often kill cartos and create hardware frustration.
I believe it's time to make "performance" part of the conversation again.
So, I copied and am pasting a segment of Dr. V's long and informative and entertaining reflection on juices...
Screw it, let's start with a clean slate
The most overlooked aspect of making juice is performance.
Broken down to the most basic set of criteria, we need to provide an experience that will satisfy the recent ex-smoker. As good as some of the newer artificially flavored juices are, a Camel smoker is not going to jump the fence for Blackberry Lemonade Menthol. Maybe 6 months down the road, but for now we have to help them fool their brain so they can kick tobacco and stay off.
Forget about all the approaches. That's the repertoire you'll pull from to make your juice, but you need to concentrate on the basics. Two words. Performance and flavor.
Clean burning juice that provides satisfying throat hit is crucial. You have to feel like you're vaping something of substance, otherwise it's just eating a bag of Doritos to keep from smoking a cigarette and you're still thinking about that cigarette. All the time. You can not underestimate the importance of performance in your juice. Clean burning, because juice that is hard on attys means your atty is going to produce its best output for a very short amount of time, and then the vaper is stuck getting only a percentage of their juice's flavor and impact. I am very careful about how frequently I vape juice that doesn't burn well, and I really, really appreciate juice that doesn't make me have to think about it.
Throat hit. The law of diminishing returns kicks in quick, but smoking was like that too. If you chain smoke your cigarette doesn't have much impact, but if you haven't smoked one in 4 hours it's like sex. Nicotine plays a big role in that, but so does throat hit. I absolutely need awesome throat hit to keep me satisfied and I doubt that will ever change.
Good quality, pure PG plays a huge role in this. If your nic base turns yellow after a few weeks, you're using insecticide. Start over. Juices that significantly darken as they sit are made using subpar base. Good base stays clear. PG allergies aside, PG is the primary suspension agent in asthma inhalers. Don't worry about vaping it if you're tolerant. I have far more concerns about VG being a vegetable fat than I have about PG, which is in everything from commercial tobacco to candy to medicine.
Nicotine of course, but a vaper should stick with the nic level their body needs and not try to compensate for poor performing juice by overdosing themselves on nicotine to get more throat hit.
PGA. Hmm. I always said that I didn't trust someone who added PGA to their juice for added throat hit. I think I am going to reverse my position on that. One vendor I really like has juice that burns so clean I swear that it cleans attys. It must have added PGA, it just must. I happen to think that juice is really satisfying too, so don't rule out a light handed application of PGA.
Flavorings play a role in throat hit, but you're at the mercy of the flavorings used whether or not they will be a performance factor.
Lastly, we need a flavor that helps people make the jump, whether that means a natural tobacco or something that fools the brain into thinking tobacco. Whatever works. The really good ones capture some aspect that helps the illusion. A smoky exhale, a dry inhale with great throat hit, anything that helps people forget they aren't smoking anymore. Method doesn't matter here, it's about the end result.
What makes a successful vaper is performance. If the performance is there, people won't stray back to cigarettes. It's the elusive target of making juice that scratches the itch. Throat hit, flavor, that feeling of satisfaction in your chest when you inhale the vapor. The needs of the new vaper are quite different than the needs of the veteran. Apple pie ala mode with great throat hit will work once you've been vaping for a while, but the new vaper is too close to their last cigarette to accept something so alien when their brain is craving and expecting something so different.
spelling error in title, I know... addo scientia
entire post: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...scussion/206373-vapenstein-addo-scientia.html
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