Philadelphia City Council proposes adding electronic cigarettes to existing indoor smoking ban

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Councilman Bill Green is proposing adding electronic cigarettes to Philadelphia's existing indoor smoking ban. This would ban their use everywhere except bars that have applied for an exemption. This would also ban their use within 20 feet of building doors. Green points to the recent flawed CDC study stating that ecig use has doubled amongst teens. If you are a vaper in Philadelphia I urge you to call your council member and let them know that you do not support this ban. Inform them that there have been multiple studies (Drexel's 2013 publication is my go to here) which show that second hand vaper is harmless, and that any chemicals emitted are well below established safe levels. Talk about how electronic cigarettes have helped you stop using harmful tobacco. Let them know that there have been no studies that confirm that any children have started using electronic cigarettes and then switched to tobacco. Tell them that nearly all electronic cigarette users are people who have switched from tobacco cigarettes, and that vaping has the potential to make a huge dent in the portion of the population who smokes (which by the way has stagnated).

Please take a few minutes out of your day to sit down, have a vape, and let your council member know that the decision of whether vaping is allowed inside or not should be left up to individual business owners. There is no medical reason or justification based on safety to ban vaping indoors. We must be vigilant in the fight against hasty, unnecessary regulation.

http://philadelphiacitycouncil.net/uncategorized/councilmembers-urge-focus-on-ecigarettes/
 

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I posted the following comment on the Philly Council website, and will send an follow-up letter to all council members.

Bill Godshall January 31, 2014 at 8:00 pm - Reply
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Councilman Green and Greenlee are dead wrong about e-cigarettes.
E-cigarettes have helped more than a million smokers quit in the past several years, pose no harm or risks to nonusers, have never been known to create daily dependence among any nonsmoker (youth or adult) anywhere in the world, and have never been known to precede cigarette use in any daily smoker (youth or adult).
While CDC’s survey may have found that “ever use” and “past 30 day use” of e-cigs doubled from 2011 to 2012 (similar to what has occured among adults), the CDC survey found that teen smokers were at least 20 times more likely than nonsmokers to have reported “ever use” or “past 30 day” use of -cigs, and also found that cigarette consumption declined to record lows.
As such, CDC’s survey found that e-cigs are gateways away from (not towards) cigarettes for teen smokers (just as other surveys have found with adult smokers).
Besides, the CDC’s survey never inquired about weekly or daily use of e-cigs, rendering CDC’s survey pretty useless.
“Ever use” and “past 30 day” use survey data is good for measuring teen experimentation, but not for measuring drug addictions (which require daily usage and harm).
Every year (including in 2011 and 2012), surveys found that far more teens report “ever use” and “past 30 day” use of cigarettes, alcohol, illegal drugs and sex (than have reported using an e-cigarette).
But if Councilman Green and Greenlee are truly concerned about the negligible consumption of e-cigs by youth, they should urge PA Senators and Reps to enact legislation introduced by Sen. Tim Solobay that would ban the sale of e-cigs to minors.
The purpose of Philadelphia’s workplace smoking ban (which I campaigned along with then- Councilman Nutter to enact a decade ago) was to protect the public from tobacco smoke pollution.
In sharp contrast, the purpose of Councilman Green and Greenlee’s bill is to ban a behavior that they don’t approve and to deny people of their civil liberties.
Since teen use of I-phones has more than doubled, would anyone similarly suggest banning adults from using I-phones in all workplaces to a “protect the children”?
If Councilman Green and Greenlee were truly interested in reducing tobacco diseases and deaths, they’d join Smokefree Pennsylvania in urging all cigarette smokers to switch to e-cigarettes.
That’s because daily cigarette smoking causes >99% of tobacco attributable diseases, disabilities and deaths, while there is no evidence that e-cigs have ever caused any diseases or killed anyone.
Anyone who opposes e-cigarettes is pro cigarettes.
Bill Godshall
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Philadelphia Council bill (140011) would ban e-cig use in workplaces, referred to Public Health and Human Services Cmte
https://phila.legistar.com/Legislat...7800703A&Options=ID|Text|&Search=E-cigarettes


The Public Health and Human Services Cmte members are listed at
http://philadelphiacitycouncil.net/standing-committees/committee-on-public-health-human-services/

Four of the seven members of this committee were on Council a decade ago when we urged them to ban smoking in workplaces. Hopefully, some of them will remember me.
 
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I sent the following letter to 5 of the 6 members of Philadelphia Council's Health Cmte (with a slightly different version sent to bill cosponsor Bill Greenlee, urging him to withdraw his cosponsorship).


The Honorable Marian Tasco
Philadelphia City Council

Dear Councilwoman Tasco

In our 25th year of reducing smoking and secondhand smoke, Smokefree Pennsylvania implores you to reject Bill 140011 by Councilmen Green & Greenlee to ban the use of smokefree e-cigs where smoking is banned because it would discourage smokers from switching to far less hazardous vaping, encourage vapers to switch back to lethal cigarettes, and make it more difficult to further reduce involuntary exposures to tobacco smoke pollution.

In sharp contrast to fear mongering claims by e-cigarette prohibitionists, the scientific and empirical evidence consistently indicates that e-cigarettes:
- are 99% (+/-1%) less hazardous than cigarettes,
- emit similar trace levels of constituents as FDA approved nicotine inhalers, posing no risks to nonusers,
- have never been found to create nicotine dependence in any nonsmoker (youth or adult),
- have never been found to precede cigarette smoking in any smoker (youth or adult),
- are consumed almost exclusively (i.e. 99%) by smokers and by former smokers who quit by switching to e-cigs,
- have helped several million smokers quit and/or sharply reduce cigarette consumption,
- have replaced (reduced consumption of) more than 1 Billion packs of cigarettes in the US in the past five years, including more than 600 million packs in 2013,
- are at least as effective as FDA approved nicotine gums, lozenges, patches and inhalers for smoking cessation and reducing cigarette consumption, and
- pose fewer risks than FDA approved Verenicline (Champix).

Youth

While CDC’s NYTS survey on teen use of e-cigs (cited by Councilman Green) found that “past 30 day” use had doubled among teens from 2011 to 2012, its most important findings were that teen smokers were at least 20 times more likely than nonsmokers to report “past-30-day” use of an e-cig among both age groups in both years (i.e. Among high school students, 7.6% of smokers vs .36% of nonsmokers in 2011, and 15.7% of smokers vs. .7% of nonsmokers in 2012. Among junior high students, 7% of smokers vs. .3% of nonsmokers in 2011, and 20% of smokers vs. .4% of nonsmokers in 2012.)

CDC’s survey (and all others) also found that the cigarette smoking rate among teens has continued to decline annually (to record lows) as e-cigs use has increased. Thus, CDC’s survey found that e-cigs are gateways away from (not towards) cigarettes among teens (just as has been among adults).

Since CDC’s survey didn’t even inquire about weekly or daily use of e-cigs, no conclusions can be drawn from that survey about weekly or daily use of e-cigs by teens.
But as has occurred among adults, it is very likely that 99% of all teen e-cig consumption is by cigarette smokers, and less than 1% by nonsmokers.

Unfortunately for public health, when lobbying for FDA e-cig regulations, CDC Director Tom Frieden and CDC OSH Director Tim McAfee grossly misrepresented CDC’s survey findings to confuse and scare the public by falsely claiming that e-cigs are addicting youth and are gateways to cigarettes.
CDC Online Newsroom | Press Release | E-cigarette use more than doubles among U.S. middle and high school students from 2011-2012

Another recently published survey of NY and CT high school students similarly found that smokers were 55 times more likely than nonsmokers to report past 30 day e-cig use.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306460313002736

Besides, there is absolutely no justification to deny all adults of their/our civil rights (e.g. using an e-cig in their workplace or public place) just because a tiny percentage of teens engage in that same activity. What’s next, banning adults from drinking coffee, beer, wine and spirits because some youth also drink those products? Banning adults from using I-phones because teen use has increased?

We would, however, strongly urge Philadelphia City Council to join Smokefree Pennsylvania in supporting PA Senator Tim Solobay’s legislation (SB 1055) that would ban the sale of alternative nicotine products (including e-cigs) to any minor.
Bill Information - Senate Bill 1055; Regular Session 2013-2014 - PA General Assembly

Air Quality

In contrast to fear mongering claims by some e-cig prohibitionists that the vapor is hazardous to nonusers, extensive scientific research has consistently confirmed that e-cigarette vapor poses no harm or risks to nonusers.
http://publichealth.drexel.edu/~/media/Files/publichealth/ms08.pdf

In fact, all of the following products and activities emit far greater levels of air pollutants (but are not banned in Philadelphia workplaces or public places) than does an e-cigarette:
every exhale by a smoker for at least an hour after smoking each cigarette, smoker’s clothes and hair, plywood, other building materials, glues, paint, carpeting, furniture, appliances, cooking, printers, photocopiers, computers, cleaning products, dry cleaned clothes, hair sprays, perfumes, nail polish and nail polish remover, air fresheners.

Renormalize/Denormalize Smoking

Some e-cig prohibitionists absurdly claim that allowing e-cig use in workplaces and public places will renormalize smoking (because e-cigs remind prohibitionists of cigarettes). But e-cigs have already denormalized smoking for several million smokers (who switched to vaping) and their families, friends and coworkers, while cigarette consumption continues declining faster as e-cig consumption continues to increase.
E-cigs denormalize smoking just like automobiles denormalized horse and buggies.

Enforcement

Some e-cig prohibitionists falsely claim that e-cigs make it more difficult to enforce existing smoking bans. But that’s simply absurd since everybody can tell the difference between a smokefree e-cig and a burning cigarette.

In fact, e-cig use has made it easier and more economical for many employers and managements to comply with existing smoking bans (as workers don’t waste their employer’s time on outdoor smoke breaks, and bar customers don’t have to wait outside).

Besides, while indoor smoking bans are easy to enforce, indoor e-cig usage bans are IMPOSSIBLE to enforce, as vapers can eliminate all visible e-cig vapor by simply holding their breath for two seconds (after inhaling the vapor) before exhaling. And since virtually nobody (except several e-cig prohibitionists) cares if other people vape in workplaces and public places, nobody complains, and there is no enforcement.

We are not aware of even one citation (and only one warning) being issued for illegally e-cig use in the many different jurisdictions that have banned e-cigs use (e.g. New Jersey since 2010, Seattle-King County and Utah since 2011, Boston and North Dakota since 2012). Far more people are vaping in those jurisdictions now than were doing so when their bans were enacted, demonstrating that e-cig usage bans are unenforceable

Summary

Once again, please reject the proposed e-cig usage ban because it provides no public health benefits, but instead would protect cigarette markets by discouraging smokers from switching to lifesaving e-cigs, encouraging vapers to switch back to lethal cigarettes, and making it more difficult to reduce involuntary exposure to 2nd hand smoke (which is eliminated every time smokers use e-cigs instead of smoking).

About Smokefree Pennsylvania

Smokefree Pennsylvania is a nonprofit organization that since 1990 has been advocating local, state and federal policies to ban smoking in workplaces, reduce tobacco marketing to youth, hold cigarette companies accountable in civil litigation, increase cigarette tax rates, fund tobacco education and smoking cessation services, inform smokers that smokefree tobacco/ nicotine products are far less hazardous alternatives to cigarettes, and ensure that smokefree alternatives remain legal and affordable to smokers. In 2007, I convinced Sen. Mike Enzi to amend the federal Tobacco Control Act to require graphic warnings on cigarette packs. In 2009, we urged FDA to keep electronic cigarettes legal, and in 2010 we filed an amicus brief with the DC Court of Appeals in support of NJOY’s lawsuit against FDA’s unlawful e-cigarette import ban.

For disclosure, neither I nor Smokefree Pennsylvania have ever received funding from any tobacco, drug or e-cigarette company.

Bill Godshall
Founder and Executive Director
Smokefree Pennsylvania
1926 Monongahela Avenue
Pittsburgh, PA 15218
412-351-5880
BillGodshall@verizon.net
 
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After 4 days, the comment I posted on Philly City Council's website is still "awaiting moderation"
http://philadelphiacitycouncil.net/uncategorized/councilmembers-urge-focus-on-ecigarettes/

are you surprised? even if it's not an example of censorship, I don't know how much effort they out into approving comments on their blog. typically these municipal "blogs" are pretty one directional.

thank you so much for your continued support and all that you have done and will continue to do for the vaping community. I urge others to contact their council members if they have not already.
 

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I just posted on the city council's website. Let's see if they allow my post.

"What are you safeguarding with this legalisation? It surely is but the rights of your citizens to use a lower risk alternative to smoking.
You should read the Burstyn study conducted down the street from you at Drexel University.
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2458/14/18/abstract
The only thing this legislation will accomplish is protecting cigarette markets from lower risk electronic cigarettes. "
 

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Are there any vaping groups in Philly?

Does anyone know any vape shop owners in Philly? Since there are now more than a dozen vape shops here in greater Pittsburgh (on the other side of PA), there should be some vape shops in Philly.

We need some local leadership in Philly to oppose this bill (to prevent the bill from being railroaded through, as occurred in Seattle, Boston, NYC and Chicago).
 

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Are there any vaping groups in Philly?

Does anyone know any vape shop owners in Philly? Since there are now more than a dozen vape shops here in greater Pittsburgh (on the other side of PA), there should be some vape shops in Philly.

We need some local leadership in Philly to oppose this bill (to prevent the bill from being railroaded through, as occurred in Seattle, Boston, NYC and Chicago).

Love Vape is on south street and 5th. (I haven't had the chance to visit them yet)

There is a generic named shop in Manyunk (manyunk is within the city limits), but they didn't seem too interested when I talked with them on the phone.

Vaporphoxxe is in Hatboro (they are the oldest and largest in the Philly area)

World's Finest Vape Shop is in Bridgeport

Liberty Vapor is in Phoenixville.

I'll have to do some digging when I get a chance. I heard more had opened up recently
 
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Are there any vaping groups in Philly?

Does anyone know any vape shop owners in Philly? Since there are now more than a dozen vape shops here in greater Pittsburgh (on the other side of PA), there should be some vape shops in Philly.

We need some local leadership in Philly to oppose this bill (to prevent the bill from being railroaded through, as occurred in Seattle, Boston, NYC and Chicago).

Ron (owner of Liberty Vapor in Pville) was running the East Coast Vapers group on facebook for a while, and they had a bunch of meet ups. He's recently stopped though, so as far as I'm concerned we no longer have a vape group. They're trying to transition everyone over to Tri-State Revolution Vapers on facebook, but... no.

EDIT There's actually a page and a group (why? no clue? seems stupid to have both), and I had only found the page. Just asked to join the group, so I'll see what's up with that now. https://www.facebook.com/groups/FreedomVapersClub/

I attempted to post the information on the east coast vaper's club's FB. Looks like they didn't approve my post. So much for getting the word out to vaper's in the Philly area.

From what I understand, the ECV is dead. Like I said, Ron didn't want to run it anymore and it got overloaded with spam posts.
 
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