I just tried to order some coils from Vapor HQ Electronic Cigarettes & E-Liquid and before I could complete my order I was expected to upload a copy of my ID. I talked with them and they said that soon all on-line venders would require the customer to up load a government ID before order. I haven't heard this. Is this really coming into effect?
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I think there are a few vendors doing "age verification" not so much "verification of age." With that said, depending on a lot of factors, I think there are ways to electronically verify age without handing over a copy of a DL, though I'd think that would be the most reliable one.
Since very little is private in this day and age, I really don't mind the vape shop knowing I need to wear glasses to drive, and I think in fact there are probably ways to verify age electronically without sending a copy of a DL that I actually consider more invasive of privacy, probably. I don't see the request for the DL very often, but I quite frequently use overseas vendors.
Anna
Since very little is private in this day and age, I really don't mind the vape shop knowing I need to wear glasses to drive, and I think in fact there are probably ways to verify age electronically without sending a copy of a DL that I actually consider more invasive of privacy, probably. I don't see the request for the DL very often, but I quite frequently use overseas vendors.
Anna
Maybe, maybe not. Different states require different methods of identification of age to prevent minors from ordering an adult product online. It could be the state that Vapor HQ is in requires a stricter more fail-proof method of age verification, and its not Vapo HQ's fault. They are just protecting their behinds legally.
What in particular alarms you about uploading your picture ID? Ask the vendor if you can black out personal info that you don't want them to see.
Thanks for the responses. I switched to vaping about 5 years ago after 50+ years of smoking. Since then I've reduced my nicotine to nothing and I'm starting to mix my own juice using vg and pg and my wife's favorite food flavoring and now she likes my vaping. The only think I need is coils and mods. For people you don't need nicotine age verification it senseless - it's like requiring an id for a near-beer just because it looks like beer. They should just regulate orders when customers have ordered some nicotine product
Yes, but that isn't the vendor's fault, currently anything vape related (containing nicotine or not) is considered a "vaping product" and under the FDA rule, subject to age verification. How different vendors may interpret that may differ, but they're merely trying to comply with a very complicated and unclear set of "rules" that may or may not be being enforced by different states (which may have their OWN laws on vaping and how that is handled. It's certainly easy to say what one feels "should" be happening, but that doesn't actually carry the force of law. Etc.
Anna
Anna
Some places require it and some do not. I do not order from anyone who requires it. There are way more places out there that do not require it...yet.
I have sent my DL once about a year and a half ago when a site needed age ver. so I just blacked out my DL number and everything else except my DOB and address, I even blacked out my eyes. 
It was good enough for the site.
It was good enough for the site.
First off if they wanted an ID scan, I would go elsewhere.
Second there prices are high, I would go elsewhere.
Third they have more out of stock items than in stock items, I would go elsewhere.
Forth why only 2 posts in over 4 years
It happens from time to time. Seems to vary state by state. I've never had a vape store employee card me, but the grey in my beard may have something to do with that. FWIW, I usually just order from a different store, with one exception; an online shop I have dealt with over the years, whose people I trust, and who suddenly switched to such a system recently. I emailed the owner to ask what the eff-- I had his address from a successfully solved warranty issue some time back, which is why I like the store--and he told me his payment processor was requiring it. Welcome to the board.
Welcome and glad you joined.
I would have no problem supplying ID if it guaranties the continuation of vaping and gets the FDA to do their job fairly (test rigorously before they try to make uninformed laws based on politics/money).
I have not ordered from them in awhile. When I did, I was able to verify with electronic verification of my name, address and dob. I noticed the site has changed - they now sell ejuice other than their own. I just visited and I already have an account but it asked me to verify and again add in my dob and no upload required. Maybe with their upgrades that is the new policy for new folks or maybe they could not verify you for some reason and needed the additional backup.
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Ummmm, no. Law requires them to verify age which can be done through many of the various companies that specialize in age verification for online sales. The only time they should ask for a physical copy is if the online verification service they use doesn't have you in their database. If a company is giving you that song and dance it's time to flee and never go back.
Some further thoughts on this.. ANY online company that asks for a physical copy of your ID should be asked these questions.
1. What steps are you taking to safeguard that information?
2. Who within the company has access to that information?
3. Is the copy held forever, or is it destroyed after a period of time?
4. What is your privacy policy? Is it different from your online policy?
I'd wager the answers you get to all 4 questions would be an eye opener. In this case, as they're already blowing smoke up your backside as to the reason why they're requesting it, there's no way they can be trusted to safeguard it once they have their grubby little hands on it.
1. What steps are you taking to safeguard that information?
2. Who within the company has access to that information?
3. Is the copy held forever, or is it destroyed after a period of time?
4. What is your privacy policy? Is it different from your online policy?
I'd wager the answers you get to all 4 questions would be an eye opener. In this case, as they're already blowing smoke up your backside as to the reason why they're requesting it, there's no way they can be trusted to safeguard it once they have their grubby little hands on it.
Seems like a good way to lose customers. There must be other ways to verify age than hassle customers scanning and emailing a drivers license. I think it would be pretty easy to modify the scan before its emailed any way. Not a reliable way to verify age
Not if they link it to your actual driver's license number, which I'm guessing some vendors may or may not do. Also, if you've committed fraud against them, they have "proof" that they sold to a minor without knowing.
I do agree that if you have any online presence at at all, it's not hard to verify age in a fashion that should be suitable but I agree with retired1 that once you provide that information it's hard to "take it back." The proposed solution of blacking out all but name address (which they are going to get anyway) and age should be sufficient.
There is always a resale value in collecting information of people though. I really prefer not to do it, although I think I may have once....
Anna
I do agree that if you have any online presence at at all, it's not hard to verify age in a fashion that should be suitable but I agree with retired1 that once you provide that information it's hard to "take it back." The proposed solution of blacking out all but name address (which they are going to get anyway) and age should be sufficient.
There is always a resale value in collecting information of people though. I really prefer not to do it, although I think I may have once....
Anna
I don't give unnecessary ID to anyone including doctors, dentists, or otherwise. I always ask "If I refuse to let you copy my ID, will you refuse treatment?" and the answer is always "No", sometimes after "Nobody has every refused before", which is shocking to me.
I don't mind showing my ID when I arrive for an appointment or purchase something, but I NEVER let them make a copy. Too many of these idiots have proven that they are completely incapable of safeguarding my private information, and they don't seem to care.
As far as on-line ecig stuff, I have never given my license. If the site can't verify by my birth date, I move on. Too many other choices to have my personal information potentially compromised.
I don't mind showing my ID when I arrive for an appointment or purchase something, but I NEVER let them make a copy. Too many of these idiots have proven that they are completely incapable of safeguarding my private information, and they don't seem to care.
As far as on-line ecig stuff, I have never given my license. If the site can't verify by my birth date, I move on. Too many other choices to have my personal information potentially compromised.
I think it's like Anna said it's basically to protect them from any litigation or liability from an underage consumer.
According to the government the stainless steel atomizer you use is "a tobacco product", the coils you use is "a tobacco product", even you mod is "a tobacco product"
They are following the fda regulations and nothing less.
You can complain to the government about it but we've been doing that for years and it's done little good... they want it to be tobacco so they can tax the hell out of it and so they call it tobacco. .. us quitting smoking cigarettes isn't good for revenue see...so they pretend vaping and all its components are made out of tobacco.
God's honest truth even though typing all that sounds like something out of a science fiction book.
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