So Im vaping on a nemesis clone with a kayfun 3.1 atty. I have recently started to drop the resistance of my coils little by little and have found that the taste with anything lower than maybe a 1.2 tastes terrible after a few vapes. I am using a 28g microcoil with organic cotton. The atty is totally clean and the juice channels are not blocked or wicked over. Using ohms law, with my 18650 Sony VTC 5's at 4.2 volts and my last coil (.96) it says Im at about 18.5 watts. It was awful. I went to a 1.31 ohm coil and it is vaping great. What is the issue here? I know people vape at way higher wattages than 18, so why is the taste so burnt and terrible? Thank you for the help!!!!
Please Help, Is my wattage too high?
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sounds like the wick is drying out, try using a thinner e-liquid. one with more PG or Distilled water.
you can add Distilled water your self. a gallon jug is like a dollar at your local grocery store. start by adding about 3 or 4 drops of distilled water per 15 mL of e-liquid.
you can add Distilled water your self. a gallon jug is like a dollar at your local grocery store. start by adding about 3 or 4 drops of distilled water per 15 mL of e-liquid.
Agree, probably starved for juice. Any tank setup, the Kayfun included, is going to have limitations on how much juice it can deliver to the coil. Like happydave said, thinner juices will wick better, but there is a practical limit. Lower your power to the coil until you get good consistent hits from it.
i had thought about answering this earlier, but decided not to because i wasn't sure if i was even in the ball park. And even after your reply happydave im still not sure 
maybe i should get some sleep, Ive only been up for 39 straight hours. At least i ad my PV to keep me from hatcheting some arsehat in the face!
Thanks coalyard! Thats what i thought the issue was, but the n00b in me kept second guessing
maybe i should get some sleep, Ive only been up for 39 straight hours. At least i ad my PV to keep me from hatcheting some arsehat in the face!
Thanks coalyard! Thats what i thought the issue was, but the n00b in me kept second guessing
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Putting 4.2v into a 0.96Ω coil, he's running at almost 4.4amps. Is it safe at that current? And could that be why the flavor's tasting burnt?
I had always heard that anything over 2.0-2.5 amps is too much. Then again, I'm still learning this stuff, so tell me if I'm way off. I wouldn't be surprised at all if I am.
I had always heard that anything over 2.0-2.5 amps is too much. Then again, I'm still learning this stuff, so tell me if I'm way off. I wouldn't be surprised at all if I am.
And another vote for wicks drying out too quickly.
Honestly, I have found a happy place with the Russian/Kayfun, and it's a microcoil at around 1.2-1.3 ohms.
"Safe" is relative to the batteries. OP's running the VTC5's, and they're rated at 30 amps, so all is well.
And that 2-2.5 amps MIGHT be too much, depending on the atomizer, coil, wick, and juice - or it might be too little. There are too many variables involved to say with certainty that a certain amount of current is either good or bad.
Things begin to get even more variable when you start to throw rebuildables into the equation.
Honestly, I have found a happy place with the Russian/Kayfun, and it's a microcoil at around 1.2-1.3 ohms.
Putting 4.2v into a 0.96Ω coil, he's running at almost 4.4amps. Is it safe at that current? And could that be why the flavor's tasting burnt?
I had always heard that anything over 2.0-2.5 amps is too much. Then again, I'm still learning this stuff, so tell me if I'm way off. I wouldn't be surprised at all if I am.
"Safe" is relative to the batteries. OP's running the VTC5's, and they're rated at 30 amps, so all is well.
And that 2-2.5 amps MIGHT be too much, depending on the atomizer, coil, wick, and juice - or it might be too little. There are too many variables involved to say with certainty that a certain amount of current is either good or bad.
Things begin to get even more variable when you start to throw rebuildables into the equation.
Thank you everyone for the answers about my issue. Something that confuses me is that the wick aren't burnt at all when I break my atty back down to try and fix the taste. I assume this means that I am burning the juice and not the wick. With this in mind, can this still be an issue of lack of liquid? If so, how can I go about fixing this on a kayfun 3.1? Thank you.
Can you describe awful? It's possible the kayfun isn't allowing enough airflow to compensate for the heat at that power. Is it bad like dry wick/hot metal, or bad like sour super heated air/juice?
in my russian 91% I use a 32 gauge twisted coil at 1.1 ohms and vape that bad boy at 17 watts I use 70/30 vg/distilled water and it wicks fairly well, the problem with rebuildables is that the vape is only as good as the build and the build is almost as subjective as taste in that matter I have tried every build in my russian and settled for a 3 strand twisted coil as it suits me the best.
Yes, dry hits don't always mean burnt. It tastes awful. I've had drippers with lots of juice give dry hits.
You could try using less cotton, that is sometimes an issue. Cotton swells a bit when it gets filled with juice. If it is too tight it can constrict the juice flow.
Other than that I would just suggest reducing the wattage. I am a cloud chaser with my RDAs and sometimes vape over 100 watts, but I run 8.5 watts with my Russian 91.
Ah ... thank you for explaining that.
I have another (possibly silly) question: If he is getting a burnt flavor at 0.96Ω, but 1.31Ω vapes very well, then why not just use the 1.31Ω coil? I mean, as you (K_Tech) wrote, there are so many variables with the OP's mechanical that there isn't really a common "safety threshold" that applies in any general way.
So the only way to discover the limits of a particular vaping rig is to try it with different settings (voltages/wattages/resistance/airflow/wicking material/etc.), and when the taste starts to suffer, take one step back to the last setting(s) that gave a good flavor and run with it. Right?
(Or do I need a slap now.)
I'm clumsily trying to help and learn at the same time, but if I'm off track yet again, just tell me and I'll promise to leave quietly.
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Ah ... thank you for explaining that.
I have another (possibly silly) question: If he is getting a burnt flavor at 0.96Ω, but 1.31Ω vapes very well, then why not just use the 1.31Ω coil? I mean, as you (K_Tech) wrote, there are so many variables with the OP's mechanical that there isn't really a common "safety threshold" that applies in any general way.
So the only way to discover the limits of a particular vaping rig is to try it with different settings (voltages/wattages/resistance/airflow/wicking material/etc.), and when the taste starts to suffer, take one step back to the last setting(s) that gave a good flavor and run with it. Right?
I think that's exactly right.
Its definitely a wicking issue, most likely the wick is blocking the channels. I know many who use 100vg in thier kayfuns at .4ohms with no problems.
I myself do not like it hot, the heat changes the flavour so like all things "taste" it is subjective. I find the Kayfun a warm atty , just by the design so I make builds at 1.2 to 1.5 with tons of vapor and flavour does not get cooked. Check to make sure you have a good balance of wick and just keep the resistance where YOU like it. DOnt let yourself be caught up by the "trend" of "subhohm" builds "peer pressure" you into losing the flavour YOU like.
One more thing, remember its all a matter of viscosity. THe amount of wick that works for you at 1.2 or 1.5 will be too much wick at under .9. Lower resistance means the liquid is being burned off faster and if the juice does not keep up you get burning.
I myself do not like it hot, the heat changes the flavour so like all things "taste" it is subjective. I find the Kayfun a warm atty , just by the design so I make builds at 1.2 to 1.5 with tons of vapor and flavour does not get cooked. Check to make sure you have a good balance of wick and just keep the resistance where YOU like it. DOnt let yourself be caught up by the "trend" of "subhohm" builds "peer pressure" you into losing the flavour YOU like.
One more thing, remember its all a matter of viscosity. THe amount of wick that works for you at 1.2 or 1.5 will be too much wick at under .9. Lower resistance means the liquid is being burned off faster and if the juice does not keep up you get burning.
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Thank you everyone for the great info and possibilities of the problem. I wanted to vape at a lower ohm because the heat and vapor production is great, although the 1.31 isnt bad either. The flavor is spot on. I had another idea, what is I built the same .9-1.0 ohm coil but with 24-26g kanthal. I would keep the same resistance but with a larger surface area to heat. Would that help with the burnt taste? I will try a few drops of distilled water in the next sub-ohm build and repost to see if the viscosity/wicking was the problem.
I have been vaping on a Russian 91% clone for a bit now at first I had too much cotton in my coil. I usually use just enough cotton to easily pass through the coil. I trim it about 1/8th of an inch past the diameter of the body of my russian. This week I got a real non clone russian 91% and I have been running a 2 strand twisted 28G with 5.5 wraps that come out to .9 ohms with great success. I run 70Vg 30 DW blends. One thing I have learned with cotton is to use a bit less than you think you need.
I twist my wire on a drill until it breaks so I get a real tight twist then I wrap a basic micro coil on a 2 mm mandrill (5/54th drill bit works just as good). My mod I use is a Smok magneto with a Sony VC4 and I change it out when it drops to about 3.4V. I also run the same set up with a AW 18350 with no issues. I like to save the ultra low ohm builds for RDAs. That same set up gives me a good vape on my iTaste 134 at 11-12 watts with stacked 18350s untill I can get a DNA 30 mod later this year.
I twist my wire on a drill until it breaks so I get a real tight twist then I wrap a basic micro coil on a 2 mm mandrill (5/54th drill bit works just as good). My mod I use is a Smok magneto with a Sony VC4 and I change it out when it drops to about 3.4V. I also run the same set up with a AW 18350 with no issues. I like to save the ultra low ohm builds for RDAs. That same set up gives me a good vape on my iTaste 134 at 11-12 watts with stacked 18350s untill I can get a DNA 30 mod later this year.
I like an extremely warm, almost hot vape, for the better throat hit mainly, don't give a rip if I puff huge clouds or not. But with my regular juice, I can turn it up just so far before it starts to taste burned; the flavor won't tolerate too extreme heat. So it might not be anything wrong at all with the hardware, but the juice just won't tolerate extreme heat, past a certain point.
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I've never tried 5 pawns, but I know it's a very popular juice. I think if it was a problem with the juice many others would have said something about trying it high wattage.
Something else to consider, when I got my HCigar Kayfun 3.1 it was doing the same kind of thing, would work ok for the first few hits then I'd have to primer puff it or it would taste burnt. The problem was the juice channels weren't cut deep enough. Once I opened them up a bit it started working perfectly. I don't know how widespread a problem that is, but thought I'd mention it. On mine, the channels were barely through the threads.
Something else to consider, when I got my HCigar Kayfun 3.1 it was doing the same kind of thing, would work ok for the first few hits then I'd have to primer puff it or it would taste burnt. The problem was the juice channels weren't cut deep enough. Once I opened them up a bit it started working perfectly. I don't know how widespread a problem that is, but thought I'd mention it. On mine, the channels were barely through the threads.
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