Please help me

[morty4185]

I typically consider myself a pretty decisive person. Last week I bought a Jaguar and it took me all of an hour to find and purchase the vehicle on E bay.

Now I find myself looking at E cigs and the more I read on this forum the more confused I get. Don't get me wrong, there is tons of great information and many valuable opinions but it seems that as I come close to deciding I run into a new term. When I came across a post talking about the benefits of 3.7v compared to 5v, and 6v I finally decided it might be easier for me to spell out what I am looking for and hope that several of you would be willing to provide suggestions as to which brand and accesories might work for me.

With the above said I hope the details below help you to provide some suggestions.

1. I am not to worried about price for the initial purchase as I want a well made product. I am more focused on what will be more economical as replacement juice, atomizers and cartridges are purchased. I currently spend about $200 a month on analog?? (regular) cigarettes
2. I think I want a manual battery becuase as I drip juice I don't want to risk damaging the battery
3. Can you drip a 2pc compared to a 3 ? I really like the idea of getting cheap cartridges and filling them myself
4. I want to be able to change flavors without the previous flavor tainting the taste during the change from one to the other, is the best approach different cartridges and atomizers for each flavor
5.taste is important, I currently smoke menthol but really want to try cola and spearmint.
6. I understand there are different nicotine levels available in the juice, in the higher nic levels are the flavors negatively affected
7. I'd like to charge the battery and have it last long enough to smoke the equivalent of 1.5 packs of regular cigarettes, basically all day. If multiple batteries are the only way I can purchase extra, is the battery drained even when not smoking ? I would think if I smoke a normal cigarette in 2 minutes that I basically am smoking an hour and a half a day, with that said is that the equivalent of a hour and a half battery ?
8. I have no strong feelings about pen type or mini, that is not really a factor in my decision as long as I can get the other things I want.
9. Vapor, well, I simply would like to be able to get a similair amount of nicotine that I currently get. If more vapor means better nicotine delivery than I want good vapor otherwise doesn't make a big deifference to me.
10. I'd love as many flexible charging options as possible, I'm not sure I understand how the usb charge thing works, would love to plug into my car lighter and charge like that as well as via a wall outlet
11. I need to better understand how many cartridges I'd have to load if I only wanted to go through the filling process once a day to have the equivalent of 1.5 packs of cigarettes.
12. Would like the draw to be easy to moderate, don't want to feel like I have to suck through a straw to get my vapor
13. Would like to better understand the hole 3.7 v vs 5v thing
14. would like to avoid maintenance and I think I want a 2 piece as long as I can drip juice, sounds like you use the cartomizer once and throw it away (has atomizer and cartridge all in one... right??)

Sorry for being long winded, my greatest concern is that I make a purchase and then find out there is functionality or features I wasn't even aware of. The whole 3.7 v vs 5v thing got me asking myself how many variables are there on these things.

If there are other things I need to think about please let me know.

I value all inputs and opinions and appreciate you taking the time to help me.

Best Regards
Morty

 

[Jim Davis]

All your questions are answered here;

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...gh-5-6-please-do-not-post-here-thank-you.html

 

[doots]

Hi Morty,
You have a lot of questions and I know others will fill in what you are looking to learn.

One thing That I think is very important is or was for me, was to find something that mimicked a real cig.

I purchased a 510 at 3.7v. Didn't know any better and it did the job for a while.

If I knew what I know now, I'd of purchased a 5v or 6v unit. It will give the most realistic and most pleasing experience. It might not be the easiest of any ecig to use but there are some consessions that must be made.

3.7 just doesnt do it for me. It's great if it works for others but I like a good hit when I push the button,, lol

Im sure that others will give urls and such for everything that's out there so you can make an informed decision..
Good luck!

 

[props76]

2. I think i want a manual battery becuase as i drip juice i don't want to risk damaging the battery

correct

3. Can you drip a 2pc compared to a 3 ? I really like the idea of getting cheap cartridges and filling them myself

you can't drip a 2pc. You can just refill the carts.

4. I want to be able to change flavors without the previous flavor tainting the taste during the change from one to the other, is the best approach different cartridges and atomizers for each flavor

a different cart and atomizer is a good way, and cheap enough to keep the flavors separate. Loranne's cherry flavor will stay in an atty for a long time. Since these things burn out with time, having a few on hand, and used for different flavors is a good idea

6. I understand there are different nicotine levels available in the juice, in the higher nic levels are the flavors negatively affected

nicotine doesn't seem to hurt the flavor. Nicotine in your mouth tends to burn (if you have ever chewed you know what i am talking about)

7. I'd like to charge the battery and have it last long enough to smoke the equivalent of 1.5 packs of regular cigarettes, basically all day. If multiple batteries are the only way i can purchase extra, is the battery drained even when not smoking ? I would think if i smoke a normal cigarette in 2 minutes that i basically am smoking an hour and a half a day, with that said is that the equivalent of a hour and a half battery ?

No vapeing takes longer than smoking. 2 810 (280 mah rating of bats how long they last) batts will last me all workday. Extra bats is a good idea, but there are also ways to charge them. If you a mear a computer all day, a usb charger works, car - car charger.

8. I have no strong feelings about pen type or mini, that is not really a factor in my decision as long as i can get the other things i want.

Pen style will give you better batt life. Its as simple as the bigger the batt the longer it lasts.

9. Vapor, well, i simply would like to be able to get a similair amount of nicotine that i currently get. If more vapor means better nicotine delivery than i want good vapor otherwise doesn't make a big deifference to me.

Vapor takes longer to give you the same nicotine. Studies, and my personal experince has shows that it works out to 10% of smoking. 1 ml of 24 mg fluid vaped will give you 2.4mg as if smoked, about 2 cigs.

10. I'd love as many flexible charging options as possible, i'm not sure i understand how the usb charge thing works, would love to plug into my car lighter and charge like that as well as via a wall outlet

usb chargers are pluged into a usb style plug at 5 volts. There are adaptors that plug into the wall that have a 5v usb style plug on them that you plug the usb charger into. Same for the car charger. Ipods are charged off the usb so adaptors made for them work for the usb charger and also usb passthroughs. Usefull for vapeing in your car.

11. I need to better understand how many cartridges i'd have to load if i only wanted to go through the filling process once a day to have the equivalent of 1.5 packs of cigarettes.

Honestly 30 carts... On a 810/910/510 cart they take 15-20 drops to fill from dry, then to refill take 2-5 drops. This means that most of the liquid stays in the cart. Forget carring around that many carts, carry the e-juice bottle with you.


12. Would like the draw to be easy to moderate, don't want to feel like i have to suck through a straw to get my vapor

most models you don't the draw is lighter than a cig. Sucking air through a straw might be accurate. The draw of a cig is much harder.

13. Would like to better understand the hole 3.7 v vs 5v thing

i don't feel 5v is needed. I get great vape off 3.7v. I find that technique, dripping the right amount, filling the cart the right amount, and how i draw have more effect that voltage. 5v will save you if you flood it. I think voltages makes up for bad technique. Plus to get 5 volts you have to use a passthough and be wired to your computer, car whatever, or carry around a huge batt pack, which to me looks terrible.

14. Would like to avoid maintenance and i think i want a 2 piece as long as i can drip juice, sounds like you use the cartomizer once and throw it away (has atomizer and cartridge all in one... Right??)

yup, but it will get expensive.

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[drgnfang]

12. Would like the draw to be easy to moderate, don't want to feel like I have to suck through a straw to get my vapor

This is actually something that is messing me up with my e-cig. The draw is very similar to smoking an analog with a hole poked in it.

 

[Vapen8]

I didn't know what to order either, but after a while of looking around I decided to go with the 901 starter kit from dietsmokes.com
My only questions now are,1. can I refill the carts that are comming with my kit?
how many times can you reuse a cart?
What is the voltage of the battery that comes with the 901?
I essentially chose dietsmokes.com because they are based out of canada and I read they usually ship fast minus post office issues. and The cig seems like it gives a good enough hit without having to hold a drag for 5 secs like the others I've seen, but that may be because the guy showing it probably put extra fluid in the cart.
what ever Ill findout this week I hope.
anyone else use the 901 from dietsmokes.com??

 

[Kent C]

morty4185says:

3. Can you drip a 2pc compared to a 3 ? I really like the idea of getting cheap cartridges and filling them myself

Not sure how easy it is to drip with the 2 piece if you're talking cartomizers where the atty and cart are one. But if you like the idea of filling rather than dripping you can do that on either type model.

4. I want to be able to change flavors without the previous flavor tainting the taste during the change from one to the other, is the best approach different cartridges and atomizers for each flavor

Just used different cartridges on the 3 piece and differnt cartomizers on that style.

5.taste is important, I currently smoke menthol but really want to try cola and spearmint.

The heat of the manuals - like the 510 enhances some flavors and tends to reduce the lighter fruity flavors. Does well on mints, menthols, tobacco, coffee, etc.

6. I understand there are different nicotine levels available in the juice, in the higher nic levels are the flavors negatively affected

The flavor is still there but there is a bite that can distract from it. 8 to 18mg is right for me, 24mg is the limit. But ymmv.

7. I'd like to charge the battery and have it last long enough to smoke the equivalent of 1.5 packs of regular cigarettes, basically all day. If multiple batteries are the only way I can purchase extra, is the battery drained even when not smoking ?

If you mean does a charged battery lose charge, then no - not to any significant effect. I've had charged batteries laying around for a day or two and if I put them in the charger the light is still green. If you want batteries that last all day you want a mod. A Janty Stick can last quite a while at 360mAh but true mods will get you a day to five days depending on the amount of vaping. 510 mega batts - 280mAh will get you 4 hours, again ymmv.

8. I have no strong feelings about pen type or mini, that is not really a factor in my decision as long as I can get the other things I want.

Again, looks like you're headed toward a mod but on what you said earlier as far as availability of supplies - the 510, 901 and 801 parts will be around for a long time and all mods are based on those models so far with a few exceptions. So gettin one of those to start won't be a waste of resources - you'll be able to use the attys and carts with same style mods.

10. I'd love as many flexible charging options as possible, I'm not sure I understand how the usb charge thing works, would love to plug into my car lighter and charge like that as well as via a wall outlet

Most 'stationary' (including car ;-) can be done via a passthrough or in the case of the Janty Stick and some mods, through the chargeing cable that acts as a passthrough. That's what I like about my Janty Stick - vaping in the car thru the car plug and when I get to where I'm going, I'm good for 5-7 hours of vaping with a fully charged battery. And with the 801 cart not many refills are needed.

11. I need to better understand how many cartridges I'd have to load if I only wanted to go through the filling process once a day to have the equivalent of 1.5 packs of cigarettes.

Well, one flavor per cartridge is recommended so you might just take one cartridge and some juice or two carts and two juices - you could get by daily with 2 or 3ml bottles that you'd fill the night before, etc.

12. Would like the draw to be easy to moderate, don't want to feel like I have to suck through a straw to get my vapor

Most manuals are good drawers. Almost all autos have the 'suck thru a straw like you're drinking a thick shake' instruct because of the nature of the auto batt. The JS is an easier draw than the 510 but the 510 isn't hard. Superminis are a pain, imo... but ymmv.

13. Would like to better understand the hole 3.7 v vs 5v thing

Longer battery like and possibly shorter atty life with teh 5v. Some mods using 3.7v can get good battery life though. The biggest advantage of 5V is throat hit and vapor production although the 510 and JS do well in the vapor category... just not as much as 5V from reports that I've read here - don't have a 5V yet -[that may change within a few weeks], so perhaps someone will chime in on that.

14. would like to avoid maintenance and I think I want a 2 piece as long as I can drip juice, sounds like you use the cartomizer once and throw it away (has atomizer and cartridge all in one... right??)

This conflicts a bit with "I really like the idea of getting cheap cartridges and filling them myself" but maintenance is part of the ecig experience vs. just lighting/smoking/and disposing of a cigarette - of course there's the cleaning up.... but some maintenance is necessary what ever you get. You can either clean or not clean attys or just clean them when they're not working as well as they were - I lean toward the latter now. Esp. in recommendations to others - they should find that stuff out for themselves. There are way too many suggestions on that, that have likely killed more attys than they've cleaned ;-) But if you use carts, you're going to have to replace the filler no matter what you do - although a filler will last me a month before I throw it out - I'll soak it a few times in vodka first but after so long I pitch it.

Sorry for being long winded, my greatest concern is that I make a purchase and then find out there is functionality or features I wasn't even aware of. The whole 3.7 v vs 5v thing got me asking myself how many variables are there on these things.

This is why I'd stick with the 510, 901, 801 because you can go to a 5v later but you'll be going with stuff you already have.

If there are other things I need to think about please let me know.

If you get a 510 you might want to take a look at something like this as a mod that will upgrade your battery to a longer lasting one and still maintain your ability to use the charging cord as a passthrough, like the Janty Stick:

WHOA NELLIE! New Vaping toy!

He may only be making a limited quantity but there are other possiblities here:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/battery-mods/16762-how-new-improved-nicostick.html

although you'd have to add the mini usb that he has - most aren't made with that, afaik.

Best price on a 510 kit:
Joye 510 NO BOX
juice there -check out the extensive VG flavors - $3 for 5ml is a good sample size for a good price:
Cignot your Midwest Electronic Cigarette store.

Also:

Joye Tech 510 Kits

High Voltage Liquid

 

[morty4185]

Thanks to everyone for taking the time to reply, I'll digest your info and ponder a little more, can't believe I'm this indecisive.

I may throw a few more questions out, greatly appreciate everyones input, thoughts and opinions, they are extremely valuable

 

[thewomenfolk]

Check out the Super-T on the Manufacturers page and it's little brother the mini, to be offered soon. I love the Janty Stick with its nice holster, you get clouds of vapor if you keep the atty clean and the batteries are cheap and long lasting.

I'd by-pass the great little 510 type models and go for the bigger Mods if you want longer battery life and cheaper and more accessible replacements of parts over the long haul.

 

[Blooper]

wall of text hits for for 1000000 dmg

 

[CHUCKLEHEAD]

WELL !!!! If you can afford a JAGUAR!!!!! BUY 1 OF EACH THEN DECIDE

 

[Niniane]

morty4185says:

3. Can you drip a 2pc compared to a 3 ? I really like the idea of getting cheap cartridges and filling them myself

Here's a video on dripping/refilling cartomizers from 2 piece units, to give you an idea of what's involved
YouTube - Refilling a Nebula cart "dripping"

10. I'd love as many flexible charging options as possible, I'm not sure I understand how the usb charge thing works, would love to plug into my car lighter and charge like that as well as via a wall outlet

Usb chargers allow you to charge off your computer usb ports, and can also plug into usb car lighter adapters. There are also car chargers available for most models.

11. I need to better understand how many cartridges I'd have to load if I only wanted to go through the filling process once a day to have the equivalent of 1.5 packs of cigarettes.

Personally, I carry liquid with me and just top off my cart throughout the day. I go through 3ml/day on a standard model, and 5ml on my 5v model. If you want to head out with just filled carts and no liquid, I'd say measure out 3ml of liquid and fill carts until it's gone. Liquid usage varies by person though, so you'll have to determine for yourself if you need more or less.

12. Would like the draw to be easy to moderate, don't want to feel like I have to suck through a straw to get my vapor

If you want truely adjustable draw, the Super T has adjustable draw for 801 atomizers. I've always been pleased with the draw on my 901, and the only model I've had particulary hard draw on was a super mini I tried.

13. Would like to better understand the hole 3.7 v vs 5v thing

I love 5v. I find the vapor increased, richer, and warmer, and you can take shorter draws than on a standard 3.7v. Vapor production at 3.7 feels wimpy on both inhale and exhale to me now. Battery life and cost on mods (manufactured or user built) is a big plus compared to standard PV's as well. There is a chance you may shorten atomizer life going over 3.7v, and models that run over 3.7 no longer resemble traditional cigarettes much, but for me it's a worthwhile exchange.

 

[Niniane]

I'll answer this post tucked in this thread too while I'm here

My only questions now are,1. can I refill the carts that are comming with my kit?
how many times can you reuse a cart?
What is the voltage of the battery that comes with the 901?

Yes, you can refill the carts that come with the kit.

You can reuse the plastic carts themselves indefinitely, as long as they are in good condition. You will have to wash and dry the filler out periodically to keep it performing well. Eventually you will need to replace the filling (or buy more carts with the filling in them - they are called "blank" if the filler doesn't contain liquid). Threads on replacing the filling can be found here Cartridge Mods - e-cigarette-forum.com • The place for electronic cigarette reviews, news and chat . Personally, I like using pyramid tea bags (PTB) the best, but before that I used Fluval.

Standard PV batteries are 3.7v. If you want to vape at higher v, you need to either 1) build or buy a mod or 2) use a passthrough that runs off a usb port or a power pack. Since 901 passthroughs don't generally limit how many v come through, if you're getting 5v through your usb port, that's what you get at the passthrough.

I have a 901 beginners' guide posted on another site, so when you are able to send and receive PM's shoot me one if you're interested

 

[anim8r]

Thanks to everyone for taking the time to reply, I'll digest your info and ponder a little more, can't believe I'm this indecisive.

I may throw a few more questions out, greatly appreciate everyones input, thoughts and opinions, they are extremely valuable

I'm pretty new to the "vape" thing and had a hard time deciding too, so I bought 3 kits (Green Smoke, Revolver, and recently ordered a Bloog--which is on the way).

I also bought some liquids from Johnson Creek and DIYflavorshack to play with.

I think I'm going to get a Prodigy too, but haven't decided on the attachment yet.

Anyway... It's pretty easy to figure everything out once you read the stickys in the new member's section.


My advice is to buy variety packs of the flavors available from the e-cig vendor you decide on.

I bought "cartons" of several types and found I simply didn't like some of the flavors and ended up tossing or emptying/refilling the unused ones.

I love the Green Smoke's vanilla and chocolate carts, both are mild and smooth. The tobacco and apple had an aftertaste, and the strawberry and coffee were "harsh" to me.

I pretty much like all of the flavors available for the Revolver so far.

I'm still playin with refilling, but so far, I have liked all the flavors I've tried so far.

 

[Snarkyone]

Lot's of info here so I won't bother repeating it all. I would advise against a 6v model though. If your going to get a mod get one that is 5v, that's the better voltage, it's not so hot to burn the juice easy like a 6v will and it really brings out the taste and vapor. The GLV is a good model to look at. Get something that will take the 510 atomizer and you can get an adapter for it that will allow you to use cartomizer carts on it instead of the 510 carts. It gives you some flexibility. I believe just about any of the mods will allow this, the GLV just happen to be the first one to pop in my mind.

 

[wdave]

For my experience, look here:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ssion/45205-considerations-choosing-ecig.html

HTH,
Dave

 

[morty4185]

Wow, what a wonderful group of knowledgable folks.

One of my favorite commentsso far, since I bought a Jag I should be able to buy em all. Well, kind of made me think, I probably won't buy them all but at $2400 per year for regular cigs I bet I could get several models and still come out ahead over the next 12 months.

Thanks to Niniae (sorry if I spelled wrong) I appreciate the video on refilling the carts and the other info you provided.

I think I may end up buying a 901, 801, and a 510, perhaps a prodigy or silver bullet as well. I'm guessing between the 4-5 I should have some interchangable accesories and will always have a back up. I haven't doen the math but I'm guessong in the $400 - $500 range total ?

Now my question becomes, is there a single seller that I could buy all 5 from ? I think the Prodigy (or is it Protege?) and Silver bullet come from a individual who modifies em, correct ?

Thanks to all

 

[Snarkyone]

I don't think there is a single seller of all those mods since they come from different places and countries even. I really would not rule out a cartomizer if I were you either. The KR808D-1 has a strong and loyal following. I had one and loved it was the best E-Cig I had tried to that date but then I bought a GreenCig and I ended my quest since this was it for me. I don't know how busy you are one of the great things about the cartomizers is that the carts last a lot longer before needing to be refilled or replaced. I would imagine one could make it through a 8-10 hr day at work on one cartridge to be honest. I have gone over 24 hrs on one GreenCig cart. One thing you can do is use the 901 battery to try out some KR808D-1 carts for yourself using the simple staple mod found here on the site. That would give you an idea of what the cartomizers can do and taste like. The GC cart will fit as well I imagine since you can use the carts on either the KR808D-1 or the GC battery. I would even say drop the 801 of that list and replace it with the KR or GC. That would give you the 3pc units for checking out and the mods and a cartomizer to see how that is. I personally prefer the taste and warmth of the vapor hit of the GC and KR over the 3 pc models and they are easy to refill without the mess of the 3pc models. A 510, 901, and a cartomizer would be a good choice to go along with the mod that you choose as well. You decided on a 5v mod correct rather than the 6v? The 6v can easily give you a burnt taste and really eats the juice, something to be aware of anyway. I think you will enjoy your vaping experience and soon find the taste of tobacco cigarettes repugnant. Good luck in your quest to shirk the coils of addiction, and embracing your new "hobby".

 

[Kent C]

Wow, what a wonderful group of knowledgable folks.

One of my favorite commentsso far, since I bought a Jag I should be able to buy em all. Well, kind of made me think, I probably won't buy them all but at $2400 per year for regular cigs I bet I could get several models and still come out ahead over the next 12 months.

Thanks to Niniae (sorry if I spelled wrong) I appreciate the video on refilling the carts and the other info you provided.

I think I may end up buying a 901, 801, and a 510, perhaps a prodigy or silver bullet as well. I'm guessing between the 4-5 I should have some interchangable accesories and will always have a back up. I haven't doen the math but I'm guessong in the $400 - $500 range total ?

Now my question becomes, is there a single seller that I could buy all 5 from ? I think the Prodigy (or is it Protege?) and Silver bullet come from a individual who modifies em, correct ?

Thanks to all

Heaven Gifts is good for the 510, 901, and 801. Developing an account there gains you points with each purchase and as your points rise to a level where you get discounts that you never lose and it makes up for the shipping costs, plus. You'll be buying more attys and perhaps will make bulk purchases for the mods and a $7 single atty can be $4.50/piece in bulk with the max discount. And they carry all three models, spare parts, etc.

510 manual kit:
Matte black Joye510 kit with 2 manual e-cigs - Starter kit - Wholesale & Retail Best E-smoking Supplier=

901 manual kit:
Matte black DSE901 kit with MANUAL batteries - Starter Kit - Wholesale & Retail Best E-smoking Supplier=

801 manual kit:
White DSE801 kit with MANUAL batteries - Starter Kit - Wholesale & Retail Best E-smoking Supplier=

They also have a 6month warranty on batts and attys - you pay the shipping but you can use airmail - very slow and cheaper than EMS. Shipping from China via EMS can be anywhere from 4 days to 10 days, and figure 2 weeks plus for 'airmail'. It wouldn't be worth sending on atty back but if you get a bunch it may well be worth the cheap shipping. Wayne who runs HG is a reliable vendor - and easily reachable by email.

I have a Protege on order in 510 and ordered an 801 adapter - since I have a bunch of 510 stuff and a Janty Stick where I have 801 attys which can be used with the protege via the adapter. The 510 and 901 are both 'mini's' and are a lot alike now that manuals are available for the 901, so I really have no need for one, although the cartomizer option as Snarkyone points out is available through the 901. I don't know of any other mods that use the cartomizer kits directly although there may be some - but most now are based on the three listed above. That of course could change.

The protege is a 3.7V mod with a battery that will last much longer than the regular batts - 900mAh vs. 180mAh for the 510 eg. The Prodigy is the 'larger brother' of the Protege that is a 5V mod - both made by Puresmoker.com

PureSmoker.com - Home of the USA Built PV !!!
PureSmoker.com - Home of the USA Built PV !!!
.. and there is another prodigy model in the works.

...and the Silver Bullet by Altsmoke.com

AltSmoke | Personal Vaporizer | Silver Bullet

 

[alvitae]

Wow, what a wonderful group of knowledgable folks.

One of my favorite commentsso far, since I bought a Jag I should be able to buy em all. Well, kind of made me think, I probably won't buy them all but at $2400 per year for regular cigs I bet I could get several models and still come out ahead over the next 12 months.

Thanks to Niniae (sorry if I spelled wrong) I appreciate the video on refilling the carts and the other info you provided.

I think I may end up buying a 901, 801, and a 510, perhaps a prodigy or silver bullet as well. I'm guessing between the 4-5 I should have some interchangable accesories and will always have a back up. I haven't doen the math but I'm guessong in the $400 - $500 range total ?

Now my question becomes, is there a single seller that I could buy all 5 from ? I think the Prodigy (or is it Protege?) and Silver bullet come from a individual who modifies em, correct ?

Thanks to all

Consider the "Chuck" by switching rechargeable batteries you have both a 3.7 volt option and a 6 volt option. A battery will reportedly last 2-4 days. I just ordered one and am waiting impatiantly for usps.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...m/33735-how-spend-saturday-15.html#post554250

Plus you could order one the same color as your Jag since he does custom orders and each one is hand built! I used to have a cherry '84 v-12 XJS with low miles that I let go a couple of years ago. I can be such an idiot!