Poor performance with a few Backwoods juices has left me sad...

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caged

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you failed to get Leafords post. most juices WILL work its just how often you can refill them being some ingredients will clog them quicker than others. I have used a juice that was a 50/50 blend that was almost like syrup and vaped fine

I get that fine (if you were talking to me). I do want my cartos to last so when I say work well with caramel and similar flavors, that's what I mean. Bloog cartos are much more satisfying than most if you're used to cigarettes, and I'd like to save some money. If I can make a pack of cartos last for a week and a half with my favorite juices I'd be a happy man, but with some juices that's just not going to happen.
 

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100% vg honey flue cured vaped great for me. I usually am able to refill ~10 times per cart. As for the BWB juice, I got my first ones in today and must say dripping they are awesome but even in my WOW cartos from V4L they just don't vape after a couple hits. But of course Bloog juice works great! And so does all the Halo stuff with WOW and Bloog so I'm happy :)
 

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Here's my experience:

Alien Visions non-sweet juices like their tobaccos and Chai all work great in BMF cartos despite being 100 or 90% VG. So it's not VG that's plugging up the wick/filler. I've noticed that any juice that is noticeably sweet has a high chance of gunking up the carto, even if it's light in color. Also, any juice that has macerated tobacco (or any kind of natural tobacco extract, I guess) will definitely and quickly clog up the BMF carto, even before the first load (1 ml) is spent.

I'd love it if Leaford could find a solution to allow me to use my Vaperite or Want2vape juices in Bloog cartos with at least a couple of top-offs. As it is I bought myself a 901 atty and a manual batt to be able to drip them.
 

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my hfn is the best ever even though 24 mg is a bit strong for my chain vaping lol. Love dons stuff, i sadly havent tried malty yet what am i doing lol.


To make it relevent i have no isssues with juice at 50/50 on these V2 cartos just let em sit a half hour to distribute after filling imo

edit: i wouldnt go lower than 50/50 theres alot of material in these bloogs cartos and it can get thick again just my opinion
 
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Im am very sorry about the posting in your thread and actually didnt even realize it till now and for that I do apologize.

With that being said I am also sorry if you took it as a blame type of thing as that was not my intentions at all. I was just trying to relay the info i have been seeing with the issues of Cartomizers of late and it could potentially be that some of the people have some of the older ones with the wicking problem. I would never say anyones products are to blame in any way and alot of it im sure is also human error with filling, pre soaking and getting them to work proper and using the proper Ohm, Volt and combinations of pv and accessories to make things work proper. with all the new products hitting the market on a daily basis and more people entering the world of vaping there are alot of them that dont have all the proper knowledge with filling things and making them work proper which results in things dying before their time.

Once again I am very sorry for the posting in your thread without the prpoer permissions and appreciate the overlooking of it as well. For that I thank you and look forward to making these issues work for everyone and coming to a common solution to suit everyones needs.
Hi Dkrom,

Obviously we haven't "met." And I'm a bit peeved that you chose to "introduce" yourself by posting in my forum without prior authorization as required in the ECF rules.

But I'm willing to overlook that, because I believe in free speech and the open exchange of ideas. And also, because I think there is a greater opportunity here for us both.

On the one hand, Bloog has the best cartomizers on the market.

And on the other, BWB has some of the best flavors on the market and is about the most popular "outside brand" of liquid among our customers.

SO, it just seems natural to me that we should cooperate and solve these "issues," instead of fighting and playing a blame game. We can work together to make sure that your liquids work with my cartos, which will sell more cartos for me, and more liquids for you. We may even be able to cooperate further, like bringing out a line of MaxXFusion cartos prefilled with your liquids. Which I am sure would make our shared customers VERY happy.

But, if instead you want to play the blame game, be aware, I am well known for winning debates, because I make sure of my facts. And I will win this one if you carry it any further.

I already fixed my cartos wicking problems, and I have the testing data to back that up. I didn't just "think" there was an issue, I did tests to prove it, then found a solution, and did more tests to verify my solution. As a result, I do not just "think" the MF V2 cartos do not have a wicking problem, even with high VG juices, I know it.

Not to mention, the OP only had problems with certain flavors, but none with Casablanca. There are many like her, who have problems with some flavors, ahnd not others. And we have many customers who vape BWB without problem.

Some flavorings simply do not vaporize at the same rate as PG or VG. They can get left behind and can burn, clog the heating coil, interfere with wicking, etc. And the heavier or sweeter they are, the worse that is.

You should really check out the burning cartos thread, where they are discussing this right now; the effect flavorings and sugars have on atomizers, and how to do a home test for whether a given liquid will leave residue behind.

Like these posts, for example:








I am telling you this as constructive criticism. We should work together to improve my cartomizers to work better with your juice, and improve your juice to work better in my cartos. But for that to work, you have to accept that it is the flavorings and additives causing the problem.
 

Hobbit

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I will say I have been among those who have recently been having issues with BWB juices in my bloog carts, the first few batches of BWB Casablanca that I ordered worked great, but my most recent order was markedly thicker and clogged up my cartos within the first fill. I have tried a few different juices including bloog's juice in these carts and it's really amazing how long a single cart can last, my last few with bloog liquid and a local supplier I've found here in stores around my area have lsted more than 7 days each!

The problem with all this is that I LOVE BWB juice almost as much as I love my BMF, but currently it's more expensive than smoking analogs simply because it kills the carts so fast...if this is something that can be solved, I would be utterly thrilled, because vaping Don's juices in my Bloog is pure bliss, and for it to work as well as with the bloog juice would be amazing.
 

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Im am very sorry about the posting in your thread and actually didnt even realize it till now and for that I do apologize.

With that being said I am also sorry if you took it as a blame type of thing as that was not my intentions at all. I was just trying to relay the info i have been seeing with the issues of Cartomizers of late and it could potentially be that some of the people have some of the older ones with the wicking problem. I would never say anyones products are to blame in any way and alot of it im sure is also human error with filling, pre soaking and getting them to work proper and using the proper Ohm, Volt and combinations of pv and accessories to make things work proper. with all the new products hitting the market on a daily basis and more people entering the world of vaping there are alot of them that dont have all the proper knowledge with filling things and making them work proper which results in things dying before their time.

Once again I am very sorry for the posting in your thread without the prpoer permissions and appreciate the overlooking of it as well. For that I thank you and look forward to making these issues work for everyone and coming to a common solution to suit everyones needs.

That's ok, Dkrom, as I said, id like to work together on this. Send me a pm and let's discuss things.
 

Jake1

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I have always used bwb with bloog cartos up until about 2 months ago. I never had a problem before that until I ordered 60 ml of BWB 555, which was my all day vape (keyword: was). I thought it might b bad cartos but I tried multiple ones and made sure I stopped short of burning. Then I cleaned the cartos and refilled them with juice from another vendor and they still worked great. Contacted BWB and he stated that it may be the cartos. In his defense, he said he'd replace the juice but I never responded fearing the same problem. I gave it one more shot thinking it may be just 555. Maxboro/backo had the same problem. In my opinion, this doesn't seem to be a bloog issue. But the juice smells the same as my old ones that worked and appears to be the same viscosity. Something about this juice has changed, I just can't figure out what. For the record, I tried filling RN4081 cartos with new BWB juice and had the same issue. I'm just looking for a new favorite juice vendor cause my bloog cartos are the BEST with everything else. This kinda sucks cause bwb was sooooooooooo tasty.
 

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SO, it just seems natural to me that we should cooperate and solve these "issues," instead of fighting and playing a blame game. We can work together to make sure that your liquids work with my cartos, which will sell more cartos for me, and more liquids for you. We may even be able to cooperate further, like bringing out a line of MaxXFusion cartos prefilled with your liquids. Which I am sure would make our shared customers VERY happy.

I am among the shared customers who would be VERY HAPPY! I am addicted to BWB espresso and just burn through more maxx fusion carts cause I love the juice so. Prefilled espresso please!
 

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Not to bump what has already been kind of a touchy thread with more touchiness but as a user of a carto that is *reportedly* (!!!) similar to a Bloog carto, I also am having problems--but only with Casablanca for me. I was being pretty stubborn and really thinking it was my problem and have killed 4 cartos in the last week. All did the same thing--they hit properly about 3 times and then they just will not vape for the life of them. Tore them all apart afterwards and of course the horizontal coil/wick bow was black black and there was slight burning around the absorbent vertical cylinder and all were very well soaked. I always leave my cartos for at least a few hours after filling to make sure the juice is completely wicked throughout. I do have some Applewood running strong in a Smoktech dual coil though.

So, yeah I dunno, I guess take from this what we will.
 

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This thread is really interesting. The one true way I am able to get Vaperite to vape better in my Bloog cartos is to add a bit of BWB Malty or Malty Toffee. BWB RY4 and Hazelnut Tobacco also seem to vape fine in my Bloogs. Haven't tried the Casablanca. I just got in a bunch of the V2 Bloogs. Guess I will need to conduct some experiments.
 

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My last 2 orders one rec'd end of June and one rec'd end of July... I'm having trouble vaporizing the juice is any type of cartomizer/atomizer until they get super hot. My first 20 or so draws get basically no flavor or vapor and then If I let the atty cool I have to start warming it up all over again. This is with Melonbacco (30 ml) Cherry Tobacco (30 ml) Espresso (15ml) Strawberry (10ml) Root Beer (10ml) French Vanilla (10ml) all in 6 mg Nic. I haven't tried my Malty Toffee (30ml) yet. I won't speculate on what the problem is, but in my opinion.. there is one and I hope they figure it out.
 

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My last 2 orders one rec'd end of June and one rec'd end of July... I'm having trouble vaporizing the juice is any type of cartomizer/atomizer until they get super hot. My first 20 or so draws get basically no flavor or vapor and then If I let the atty cool I have to start warming it up all over again. This is with Melonbacco (30 ml) Cherry Tobacco (30 ml) Espresso (15ml) Strawberry (10ml) Root Beer (10ml) French Vanilla (10ml) all in 6 mg Nic. I haven't tried my Malty Toffee (30ml) yet. I won't speculate on what the problem is, but in my opinion.. there is one and I hope they figure it out.

Odd, I haven't had problems with Cherry Tobacco, Melonbacco, or Strawberry. I have to ask because of your tag, was it in a Bloog carto?
 
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