I know it's sacrilege to say so, but....
...this is a better Casablanca Blend than Casablanca Blend. There. I said it.
...this is a better Casablanca Blend than Casablanca Blend. There. I said it.
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Weird. I find this juice to be absolutely nothing like the BWB Casablanca. Love From Above is a pretty straightforward (albeit excellent) RY4 to me, Casablanca is something else entirely.
LFA is carmel and vanilla with a light, toasty tobacco base. Casablanca is cocoa with a dark, deep tobacco base. Other than maybe a similarity of satisfaction level and quality, these two juices are as different as night and day to me. They both happen to scratch my itch, they are just two very different itches.
I have actually found that LFA tastes almost identical to FSUSA's RY5 to me. In a blind vaping test, I do not think I could tell the two apart. Yet again, there's just no accounting for taste.
LFA is carmel and vanilla with a light, toasty tobacco base. Casablanca is cocoa with a dark, deep tobacco base. Other than maybe a similarity of satisfaction level and quality, these two juices are as different as night and day to me. They both happen to scratch my itch, they are just two very different itches.
I have actually found that LFA tastes almost identical to FSUSA's RY5 to me. In a blind vaping test, I do not think I could tell the two apart. Yet again, there's just no accounting for taste.
then mine is mislabeled, because there is not a shred of caramel in it, just a very dry base with a whisper of cocoa and something else
As I said, there's just no accounting for taste. That's why juice reviews are so darn hard to do.
I think it's unquestionably possible to comment on the quality of a juice, because while still subjective, it's more in the realm of objectivity than the enjoyment of flavor. Flavor is just so subjective that it becomes almost futile to try to make any statement about what's better than something else.
To wit: I love pizza like nothing else, however, put some green peppers on a pizza and it becomes inedible to me. Ask the next guy, and it's inedible without the green peppers. Again, you just can't account for taste. Good thing there are so many juices out there so we can all find the ones that scratch our peculiar itches....
I think it's unquestionably possible to comment on the quality of a juice, because while still subjective, it's more in the realm of objectivity than the enjoyment of flavor. Flavor is just so subjective that it becomes almost futile to try to make any statement about what's better than something else.
To wit: I love pizza like nothing else, however, put some green peppers on a pizza and it becomes inedible to me. Ask the next guy, and it's inedible without the green peppers. Again, you just can't account for taste. Good thing there are so many juices out there so we can all find the ones that scratch our peculiar itches....
Yeah I don't buy that. Even though you don't like green peppers, they still taste like green peppers to you.
Much of the inconsistency in how people describe juice is due to a) the taster not having a frame of reference for the flavor they're getting, b) different levels of sensitivity, and c) individual flavor elements being experienced in differing intensities by different palates. To a point, taste is subjective, however, green pepper tastes like green pepper.
I will agree with you that you can't take any review verbatim. You are always going to be better off amassing as many people's experience with a given juice as you can, and basing your decision on the status quo. Even then, a status quo 4 star juice may be a 4 star juice for you, but it just as likely could be a 2 star juice. That is where the taste is subjective thing comes in, because only you can judge how pleased you are with the components and the balance of a juice.
That said, the OP is correct. Even though LFA is not marketed as a Turkish vape, it has all the hallmark characteristics associated with one. I prefer it to Casablanca because I feel the elements are more subdued and in better balance.
Much of the inconsistency in how people describe juice is due to a) the taster not having a frame of reference for the flavor they're getting, b) different levels of sensitivity, and c) individual flavor elements being experienced in differing intensities by different palates. To a point, taste is subjective, however, green pepper tastes like green pepper.
I will agree with you that you can't take any review verbatim. You are always going to be better off amassing as many people's experience with a given juice as you can, and basing your decision on the status quo. Even then, a status quo 4 star juice may be a 4 star juice for you, but it just as likely could be a 2 star juice. That is where the taste is subjective thing comes in, because only you can judge how pleased you are with the components and the balance of a juice.
That said, the OP is correct. Even though LFA is not marketed as a Turkish vape, it has all the hallmark characteristics associated with one. I prefer it to Casablanca because I feel the elements are more subdued and in better balance.
I thought it was dry with a tad of cocoa and something too (not caramel tho'). Absolutely not on the sweet side at all as the FSUSA RYnasty5. 
I pounded straight thru that LFA bottle in nothin' flat. Very nice vape indeed. I am actually fonder of the M'burro which seems to me it has a very slight touch of licorice/cinnamon mix and a light sweet finish of sorts (honey?). Kinda complex and not what i had all expected from the name. Highly recommend it to the LFA lover.
I pounded straight thru that LFA bottle in nothin' flat. Very nice vape indeed. I am actually fonder of the M'burro which seems to me it has a very slight touch of licorice/cinnamon mix and a light sweet finish of sorts (honey?). Kinda complex and not what i had all expected from the name. Highly recommend it to the LFA lover.
Thing is, I love green peppers, just not in certain contexts. The interplay and balance of flavors is what I was getting at, as are you. I couldn't have a philly or fajitas without the peppers, I'll sooner not eat than have pizza with green peppers on it. It's because the peppers overpower the pizza, but play an integral role in the philly and fajitas for me.
I am absolutely agreeing with you here, just not on the taste of LFA. I may indeed not have a good frame of reference for caramel and that's why I get it from this juice. I really have no idea what I'm tasting in the LFA, but it still tastes eerily like FSUSA RY5 to me.
I am absolutely agreeing with you here, just not on the taste of LFA. I may indeed not have a good frame of reference for caramel and that's why I get it from this juice. I really have no idea what I'm tasting in the LFA, but it still tastes eerily like FSUSA RY5 to me.
I'm trying to find a juice review for the rockstarvapor juice. Search engine isn't spitting any results. But I'm willing to throw 20 bones for 75ml of juices. OR just order more PV juice 
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Yes, I like the LFA quite a bit, it's in my daily rotation and I'm vaping it as I write this. Good stuff.
Yes, I like the LFA quite a bit, it's in my daily rotation and I'm vaping it as I write this. Good stuff.
Well gosh, silly me i found a rockstarvapor review a few posts below this thread in the liquid reviews. Boy, i feel stoopid drrrp.
I'm workin on this M'Burro right now, lovin' it !!
I'm workin on this M'Burro right now, lovin' it !!
I would tell you that Casablanca has zero cocoa or Turkish or even tobacco qualities. A fresh bottle has a distinct jalapeno note with a slight mystery nut aftertaste. After the bottle has steeped for two months, the nut flavor is so pronounced that it becomes unvapable to me. So while a fresh bottle of Casablanca is okay if I'm in the mood for spice, once it turns, it's no good for my palate. Too bad, as I really, really wanted to like the stuff.
I've mentioned before that NatGeo recently had an article about the genetics behind how we perceive taste. One example concerned the herb cilantro. I think cilantro is a fresh, delicately sweet, yummy addition to a meal. My SO thinks it tastes like a bar of soap. We are both correct in our assessment of the flavor based on how our tongues are hardwired to our brains. On a more personal note, it works out fine because, hey, more cilantro for me.
I suspect, but do not know for certain, that vaping really highlights these flavor perspective differences in people because of the chemical nature of the stuff that's used to make e-liquid. All of our palates are supposed to taste that fresh banana, but some tongues just won't be fooled by a man made concoction and so a perfume or chemical note is perceived instead.
I adore Backwoods Brew for their coffee flavors. My palate is fooled by the mix in their coffee formulas, and thus is happy. I am not fooled by the mix in the tobacco flavors. There appears to be two different tobacco bases BWB uses. One is the formula for Casablanca or Malty. The other is in Maple Tobacco. The former is jalapeno to me, and not offensive. The later is chemical pepper and unpleasant.
Actually, now that I think of it, there is a third flavor in the BWB tobacco line up. It's found in the Applewood and 555. Both of which are so chemically sachrine sweet that the mere scent is enough to turn my stomach. Don't get me wrong, I can taste the green apple, and I can taste the caramel. It's what lurks beneath those flavors that's the problem.
TLDR; What he said.
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The main point is, LFA is miraculously good, especially considering it's made using all commonly available flavorings. I usually don't like juice like that. They made a great recipe. It's the only juice I ever ordered a 60ml of before I even reviewed it.
That's a really interesting point, and one that I might be inclined to agree with. It would actually explain a lot.
I assure you, there is no jalapeno and there is cocoa. The Jalapeno or spicy flavor you get is from the tobacco part of the mix... that is a secret Don keeps... I know it is one of his most expensive flavors... If you knew what that note was as I do... then you'd recant the jalapeno claim in a heartbeat because it would make sense to you. I do agree that there is a spiciness or dryness to the base.
There are actually 5 now... and Don makes all of them but one from different processes that all use real tobacco.
There's no tobacco in Malty. In fact, casablanca is the ONLY liquid Don uses a particular tobacco base.
It's in no other juice that I know.
It's a custom job from a celebrated juice artist.
Ask Don... these aren't his secrets.
I take a little ownership of these Casablanca claims - while I am not privy to the entire process, I do remember telling Don several months ago that I wished he had a flavor that was like XXXX.
A few other of his BWB fans also requested something similar... and Don designed this and sent us samples.
I did some research with Jon at primevaping... While John would not tell me the recipe, he did promise me that the tobacco base is not the same as Casablance.
I was one of the first to compare LFA and Casablanca...
My taste buds sense a strong similarity...
BWB uses almost no Flavourart. In just a few juices...
primevaping uses a lot but are starting to move away from it.
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I don't deny that any particular ingredient is or isn't used in the creation of Casablanca. I'd just tell you what I do or don't taste. Now, we could get into huge discussion about whether my reaction is innate or cultural, heredity vs environment, nature/nurture, or just plain bad luck. But such a discussion (while likely intriguing) probably isn't going to change the way I taste the dang juice.
This is a real shame, because I really do wish I could enjoy it the others seem to.
You are welcome to spill the beans on that jalapeno note, however.
Innerestin'. I wouldn't mind trying out the other 2 I haven't purchased, but I'm getting a little gun shy on BWB's tobacco flavors. They change so dramatically from the day they are received, and unfortunately for me, they don't get better.
No way?!?
Huh. Good to know. I enjoy the hell out of Malty. It's. That. Good.
Fair enough. For the record, BWB is one of my go to suppliers. I really have nothing bad to say, so what you might have read as critcism was me simply being honest about how I perceive flavor.
Now...about that spicy note....
That's my mantra as well.
I am really starting to believe (after more than a year) that I have not found a single true tobacco taste that I like enough to vape all the time... Tobacco Hybrids work for me like ry4, applewood etc... but for the most part, I like flavors like Dulce, creme brulee, vanilla, malty, ecopure, etc. I like "a little little bit of sweet... a sweet finish...
as far as the spicy note, don't look for a particular ingredient that causes the perception of spicy. It's more of a "base" flavor that is not unique to bwb or a a flavor company... it's quite pronounced in Casablanca at different stages in the steeping process... but sometimes it fades for me - depends on what else I have been vaping.
My husband and I both love LFA. I was pleasantly surprised that I would like it as I don't care much for tobacco vapes. My husband also likes PrimeVaping's Natural Tobacco as well. We look forward to trying their other juices.
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