I dont usually do tobacco flavors. Like almost never. But i had an idea and went for it. I made a tobacco flavor diy juice and i must say, ive impressed myself immensely. This is version one so i wont share the recipie til i let it steep and see if it needs tweaking. But straight up mix and shake, it is very nice. And if this post belongs in the diy forum, its ok if it gets moved, as i couldnt find it for some odd reason this morning....but hey...yay for me.
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Glad you are enjoying your tobacco e-liquid. DIY is above the general e-liquid forum if you enter it, or you can use quick navigation. It may get moved, but glad you found something that is working for you so far... 
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Great post. I find that our tastes can be fooled/preconceived by the silly name we assign to the mixes we create. Tobaccos as a class, I feel, are grossly underrated regarding the vaper's prejudicing the category. I bet if you gave a number folks a taste test of your tobac. mixture and did not tell them the category, you might get higher positives than by telling them it a tobacco mix. Some of my best ADV's mixes are tobacco based and I don't bother to always double check the make up of what mix I'm vaping. Why? I don't label my mixes. I number them. When I get 10-20 mixes down to near perfection, I don't care what the flavor name is.
I do enjoy the dessert flavors, and the occasional fruit/candy too. But im thinkin i just stepped into another dimension here with this one, and possibilities are near endless. Remember when i mentioned maybe a black cherry tobacco? That is probably not happening because the black cherry is just nasty, lol. If i could find a cherry flavor that tasted halfway decent it might be a different story. But i gotta learn my flavors somehow, right?Glad you are enjoying your tobacco e-liquid. DIY is above the general e-liquid forum if you enter it, or you can use quick navigation. It may get moved, but glad you found something that is working for you so far...
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I find anything other than fresh cherries that is labeled "cherry" to be totally foul, myself. It's not a flavor I would ever think I'd order, some things you just don't like, period. But yeah, learn your flavors, it's very fun
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The TFA Maraschino Cherry tastes exactly like one of those, if you like them. It's very potent though, so just a tiny bit goes a long way. I used it to help turn a homemade recipe I'd made, into something I liked much better, and called it Cherry Chocolate Chunk.
By the way...this thread IS in the DIY E-liquid forum, and hasn't been moved here by a mod. So you posted it in the right spot.
By the way...this thread IS in the DIY E-liquid forum, and hasn't been moved here by a mod. So you posted it in the right spot.
The only cherry flavor ive found that tastes like cherry is in the blu cigalike. And it is really strong. Left the taste in my mouth for quite a while. So maybe cherry is just not a great idea. Period. But it does make me reminisce for the cherry cigars we snuck off to the woods and smoked when we were kids. The exotic sounding name and almost but not quite cherry flavor was exciting back then. And then there was the time not so long ago when i thought i might smoke a pipe. Different flavored pipe tobaccos sounded more interesting than they actually were. For instance, borkum riff honey orange. Just plain nasty. And probably for the same readon that orange flavored vape juices dont really work so well. Orange gets very bitter when heated. So, now ill stop rambling on an on. Lol.I find anything other than fresh cherries that is labeled "cherry" to be totally foul, myself. It's not a flavor I would ever think I'd order, some things you just don't like, period. But yeah, learn your flavors, it's very fun
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Oh I have inhaled my share of "cherry tobacco maybe sorta products" and they are so gross..... I'm thinking about the mini cigar things you can buy at the gas station. I believe they are made from the renderings on the tobacco room floor plus whatever else chemicals were laying around.
For a while, I also smoked basics. Their slogan is "the taste of heavy metals will amaze you." I can't believe I actually got used to smoking them. Heh.
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I'm thinking about the mini cigar things you can buy at the gas station. I believe they are made from the renderings on the tobacco room floor plus whatever else chemicals were laying around.For a while, I also smoked basics. Their slogan is "the taste of heavy metals will amaze you." I can't believe I actually got used to smoking them. Heh.
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Ok, boys and girls....here it is. My tweaked out recipie. This is version two. For a 30ml batch....
Euroflavor orient tobacco black 2.5ml
Hangsen turkish blend. 1.0ml
Euroflavor burley tobacco .30ml
Capella peaches and cream .50ml
Flavor apprentice 5%acetyl pyrazine 2 drops
VG 19.38ml....more or less
PG 4.62ml....again more or less
My exact amounts of pg and vg are not exact. But close enough. I added nicotine to a strength of 6 mg/ml. My nic base is nic salts at 48mg/ml in pg...so mix and enjoy. Tweak it if you must but me, i really like this one just as is.
Euroflavor orient tobacco black 2.5ml
Hangsen turkish blend. 1.0ml
Euroflavor burley tobacco .30ml
Capella peaches and cream .50ml
Flavor apprentice 5%acetyl pyrazine 2 drops
VG 19.38ml....more or less
PG 4.62ml....again more or less
My exact amounts of pg and vg are not exact. But close enough. I added nicotine to a strength of 6 mg/ml. My nic base is nic salts at 48mg/ml in pg...so mix and enjoy. Tweak it if you must but me, i really like this one just as is.
In my limited experience mixing with tobacco; I have played with a few of TFA's cherry concentrates.
I have used (from my tasting/mixing notes):
- TFA Maraschino Cherry - Very potent flavor of the jarred cocktail cherries. I found it best for soda and cocktail (fruity, tropical drinks). Too sweet, candy-like for tobaccos for me. Best used at less than 3%, or it becomes an "artificial cherry syrup" to me. (Note: this has been reformulated without alcohol since I last purchased it. I have not tried the new PG-based version.)
- TFA Black Cherry - Again, quite potent. Most realistic fresh fruit-like flavor for me. When used between 1-2% can add decent cherry notes without overwhelming base notes. Seems to lack a bit of the aromatic notes though.
- TFA Cherry Blossom - The lightest of the three TFA cherry concentrates I have tried. This is primarily an aromatic note (vs. mouth perception) without being a cloying perfume note. Used at 0.5-1.0% with TFA Black Cherry, and it gives a good all-around cherry presence. Used alone (1-2%), with tobaccos, it provides a nice cherry note without tasting artificial.
3.0% Am4A Inawera (INW) (great by itself @ 3.5%)
1.0% Cherry Blossom (TFA)
Provides a decent cherry pipe tobacco vape.
If you want a stronger, more cherry forward, pipe vape:
3.0% Am4A (INW)
0.5-1.0% Black Cherry (TFA)
0.5% Cherry Blossom (TFA)
I have yet to get a good cigar base (though I have a couple recent purchases I have yet to try out).
TFA Plum (at 1-1.5%) is another one I have found plays "nice" with tobaccos. It adds a darker fruit note than any of the cherries do.
I did use the black cherry in a cheesecake mix. At 5%, it tasted like perfume. Extremely disappointing and extremely nasty. If i dropped the percentage down to say, one or even half, i wonder what that would do to a turkish blend mixed with a bit of burley? Im curious enough to wonder but not brave enough to go for it yet, lol. The peaches and cream, after a day or two steep is becoming sweeter and maybe even overpowering the tobacco flavors somewhat. Overpowering might not be the word, but definitely becoming more pronounced, especially the cream part. Im going to need to order supplies again soon if i want to keep experimenting. The little 10ml bottles of flavor are disappearing quick and new ideas are forming for flavors i dont have yet.
No real way of knowing without trying
. Lower percentages may be the ticket in your case (and that sounds entirely possible; given your description of tasting like perfume). Or, it could be that that specific concentrate is just not going to be compatible with your particular palate (it happens; some concentrates just aren't agreeable with some individuals).Black Cherry might be a good candidate for you to try as a single flavor first. See if you can get a working percentage at any percentage. That way you are not wasting other concentrates in the process. You could even skip the nicotine. Start at 0.50%, or even 0.25%, and work your way up.
Keep the tester size small; 1-2mL should be plenty. It will be enough to give you an idea if your are on the right track; and not waste a bunch of product. Also, if those small samples are still tasting like perfume... give them two or three hours completely uncapped (no top cap; no drip tip). This should be adequate time for that size of sample (the larger the sample; the longer to age/stabilize). Then taste again.
And finally; hang on to each of the samples, for 2 or 3 weeks. Fruit flavors generally don't require much, if any aging; but looking at the ingredients, it seems this one might benefit:
In particular; the butyric acid. This is one compound some people are extremely sensitive to, and can't stand... ever. Others find, with a bit of aging, the gamey, cheesy, yogurty acid-like notes, simmer down and can give a richness and depth that can take the place of the dreaded diketones and diacetyls.
Creams (in general) can often take a week or more, to reach their full potential. Your results are not surprising to me. If the concept (tobacco + peaches & cream) is working for you, and you have taken decent notes of what you did previously, then adjusting the new mix shouldn't be a big deal. You might want to hang on to the current sample for at least a month, to see how it ends up; as tobaccos can take even more time to mature.
I learned about butyric acid in high school chemistry class. Alone, it is a very obnoxious odor, worse even, than hydrogen sulfide.
When I first started vaping, I stayed away from tobacco flavors, I stuck to fruity flavors mostly. A year later, I DIY my own juice, I finally broke down and tried NudeNic island tobacco, and it's not bad. But it does require a long...long steep time (over a month for me).
As far as cherry-I've vaped very little cherry flavors. But the Blu e-cig cherry isn't bad. Funny story-when I first started smoking, about 20 years ago, I started not with cigarettes, but with a cherry flavored cigar, which Blu's cherry mimics exactly. But the most important thing is, vape whatever works for you, and keeps you off the analogs.
As far as cherry-I've vaped very little cherry flavors. But the Blu e-cig cherry isn't bad. Funny story-when I first started smoking, about 20 years ago, I started not with cigarettes, but with a cherry flavored cigar, which Blu's cherry mimics exactly. But the most important thing is, vape whatever works for you, and keeps you off the analogs.
The blu cherry cigalike is definitely cherry flavored. To me, and this is strictly subjective, the cherry taste lingers too long after vaping. Now that ive been off real cigs for 7 months, ive noticed certain foods and flavors taste different, if not better to me. Like strawberry.
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