Problems with flavoring. nude nicotine.

[corejuice]

I uploaded a couple pictures of the flavoring in question so that you guys can see my dilemma! I'm sorry about the low quality pics but the problem should be visible! The flavoring has a thick black substance at the bottom of the bottle, its also present on the side of the bottle. I've seen Images like the ones I've attached only it was bad E-juice that had turned black. I've tried shaking the heck out of the flavoring and even running it under some warm water, I figured it's no good so warm water shouldn't hurt.

What gives is the flavoring just bad? Do you guys think it's safe to use or what? The stuff won't even mix properly, and I didn't see this black "gunk" until AFTER I made a 50ml batch following a 5ml sample batch that i tasted and actually enjoyed. I noticed the flavoring starting to separate in the batches 12-24 hours later, I then checked the flavoring. The other flavors share the same LOT numbers, and the menthol tobacco flavor is doing the same thing but on the sides, It's still sealed -never opened! Should I pitch the juice I've made with this flavoring? Any information regarding this problem would be greatly appreciated, as I'm new to mixing!

These flavorings came with a starter kit from nude nicotine that was delivered on the 26th of Dec. I've been trying to contact their staff since the 28th-29th of December, as I have concerns with the flavors they sent me. Since I can't get in touch with any of their staff I figured I would ask here. Has anyone ordered from nude nicotine in the past, and did they stand by their product? The packaging was great, shipping was super fast. This sucks, and hasn't been the greatest experience for someone starting to mix. :/


Thanks

 

[trouble1000]

I'm no expert on DIY and not had any experience with the company (being in the UK) - but I've not had that happen with any of the juice batches I've made up. Looks almost like the flavouring is oil based, so it's not mixing properly.

Hopefully, someone with a bit more knowledge will pop by

 

[corejuice]

I'm no expert on DIY and not had any experience with the company (being in the UK) - but I've not had that happen with any of the juice batches I've made up. Looks almost like the flavouring is oil based, so it's not mixing properly.

Hopefully, someone with a bit more knowledge will pop by

Thanks for the quick reply! I don't think the flavoring is oil base however. The strawberry banana smoothie flavoring I got didn't exhibit these symptoms and mixed just fine in the juice. Shrug.

 

[trouble1000]

Thanks for the quick reply! I don't think the flavoring is oil base however. The strawberry banana smoothie flavoring I got didn't exhibit these symptoms and mixed just fine in the juice. Shrug.

Not a problem.

Have you tried putting a few drops of the suspect flavouring into a little water to see what happens ?? If it mixes ok, without any globules, then it should in theory, mix with your nicotine/PG/VG.

As I said, I've not come across this before, so sorry I can't give you an answer

 

[Mr.Mann]

Chuck it. I have mixed feeling about NN with some things and with others I think they are top-notch. But that, uh, yeah, that's no bueno. Chuck it and move on. If they've left you hanging then spend your future-money elsewhere -- but also know that during the holidays many shops were off the grid. It could just be that.

 

[trouble1000]

I use a lot of Flavour Art or Inawera concentrates when mixing - never had any problems with them. Their both highly concentrated, so a little goes a long way - might be worth looking into them for future mixing

 

[corejuice]

@Mr. Mann I thought about the holiday ordeal, but I just received an e-mail from nude nicotine on friday Jan 2nd with coupon codes.. I would assume they are back and in full swing. I will wait a few more days, hope they respond and if not take action. I won't use any of the products they sent me, I will however hold on to them in case I need to send them back etc. It's not the cash that upsets me it's the principle.

@trouble1000 That is a good idea i didn't think about testing it in water to see if it's oil based, I just assumed it wasn't.

I just got in an order from wizard labs a couple days ago, I've yet to mess with the package as I've been out for the weekend and I'm currently on the laptop. I believe the flavors I ordered from wizard labs included flavoring from TFA and CA. I'm open to suggestions, as I said I'm rather new to this process! With that being said- I have been lurking on this forum, youtube ETC, gathering information. I feel comfortable making simple mixes and dealing with NIC. I will however wait a while until stepping up to 100mg NIC. I'm learning something new everyday and I'm glad I finally joined this awesome community! :vape on:

 

[trouble1000]

@trouble1000 That is a good idea i didn't think about testing it in water to see if it's oil based, I just assumed it wasn't.

I just got in an order from wizard labs a couple days ago, I've yet to mess with the package as I've been out for the weekend and I'm currently on the laptop. I believe the flavors I ordered from wizard labs included flavoring from TFA and CA. I'm open to suggestions, as I said I'm rather new to this process! However I have been lurking on this forum, youtube ETC, gathering information.

Like I said, being in the UK I tend to use UK based suppliers for my DIY stuff, but I have seen others mention Wizard Labs in the past. I've used quite a few different flavour brands in the past, but for me Flavour Art and Inawera have both been excellent. I like my juices on the strong side - knackered tastebuds So any concentrate I can use at lower percentages is always a bonus.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/477601-inawera-few-reviews.html

Here's an Inawera thread, quite a long one, but some good recommendations on there

 

[corejuice]

Like I said, being in the UK I tend to use UK based suppliers for my DIY stuff, but I have seen others mention Wizard Labs in the past. I've used quite a few different flavour brands in the past, but for me Flavour Art and Inawera have both been excellent. I like my juices on the strong side - knackered tastebuds So any concentrate I can use at lower percentages is always a bonus.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/477601-inawera-few-reviews.html

Here's an Inawera thread, quite a long one, but some good recommendations on there

I plan on trying many vendors, and flavors on my journey. I will check that link out shortly. Thank you very much for taking the time to inform a DIY newb! I have another quick question for you, how the heck do I get a forum signature like yours, the "quit smoking cigarettes" one. Thanks again!

 

[Shirtbloke]

I've had some bottles from Inawera that looked like this - though I'd describe it as brown gunk rather than black.
The flavours that had it were Tobacco Absolute Virginia and DNB - both tobacco flavours and made from extracted tobacco leaf. Are these tobacco?
They both mixed up well and vaped well - in fact they're two of my fave flavours.
I found that the gunk dissolved when mixed with PG & VG.

If it was me I'd give them a try.

 

[trouble1000]

I plan on trying many vendors, and flavors on my journey. I will check that link out shortly. Thank you very much for taking the time to inform a DIY newb! I have another quick question for you, how the heck do I get a forum signature like yours, the "quit smoking cigarettes" one. Thanks again!

Always glad to help, even if it's not much help in the end

Not sure if you have to have so many posts before you can post a signature, possibly 10 or 20 posts, can't remember now. But to activate it you go through :

Settings - very top of the page on the blue banner.

My Settings - half way down on the left.

Edit signature - under My Settings.

You'll need to use a "Signature banner" from any of the juice companies that supply them for free - just copy and paste in the one you want. If you have a look around at other posters and see one you like the look of first. Nicoticket do quite a good one.

 

[WillyZee]

I would contact NN for their feedback ... I am also curious what they say.

 

[corejuice]

I've had some bottles from Inawera that looked like this - though I'd describe it as brown gunk rather than black.
The flavours that had it were Tobacco Absolute Virginia and DNB - both tobacco flavours and made from extracted tobacco leaf. Are these tobacco?
They both mixed up well and vaped well - in fact they're two of my fave flavours.
I found that the gunk dissolved when mixed with PG & VG.

If it was me I'd give them a try.

I believe the flavors did both have tobacco in them BRY4 - tobacco menthol. The BRY4 flavor* will mix but then separate. The gunk will not free up in the flavor bottle after shaking it like crazy. The thing that concerns me is this gunk is BLACK! For all I know the flavors base PG has gone bad?! Check out this video http://youtu.be/SwGXX8yz8rs notice how the juice turned black? Laptops battery is going dead bbiab! Thanks for the input shirtbloke.

 

[zoiDman]

I uploaded a couple pictures of the flavoring in question so that you guys can see my dilemma! I'm sorry about the low quality pics but the problem should be visible! The flavoring has a thick black substance at the bottom of the bottle, its also present on the side of the bottle. I've seen Images like the ones I've attached only it was bad E-Juice that had turned black. I've tried shaking the heck out of the flavoring and even running it under some warm water, I figured it's no good so warm water shouldn't hurt.


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Here's a Question:

If you went to the Grocery Store and bought something and it had Black Sludge in the bottom and Sticking to the sides of the Bottle, would you Eat it?

If Not. Why would something you are going to put in your Lungs be held to a Lower Standard?

 

[dannyv45]

I've seen this with tobacco flavors that were made with absolutes, NET's, natural tobacco extracts and essences. If you say these flavorings are tobaccos this could be the case. This happens when the fore mentioned are not desolved properly. These should be made in a 50pg/50PGA base solution. This can also happen when the base is over saturated with the fore mentioned and it is normal for these types of flavors to seperate but they don't seperate when mixed into the finished ejuice. There fine to use and a good shaking is all thats needed but contact NN just to be sure this is the case. Those types of flavors make some of the tastiest tobacco vapes.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I've seen this with tobacco flavors that were made with absolutes, NET's, natural tobacco extracts and essences. If you say these flavorings are tobaccos this could be the case. There fine to use but contact NN just to be sure this is the case.

I've seen some similar, but not quite that bad unless it was made form some DIYer or some vendor that didn't know how to dilute their TA. And part of what gets me is that NN has this appeal of being "lab quality" but this type of product goes out? I don't know. I get the differences between some "flavorings" and nic, but damn!

 

[dannyv45]

You see this a lot with the venders that boast that there flavorings are naturals or made with extracts and essences. The problem with them is they don't always know how to mix them properly and this will happen. I have made many juices using these products and also make my own NETS and use absolutes and have seen this time and time again with my own mix downs with nets absolutes and essences. As the product sits they seperate. Another problem with them is shelf life so you really need to know the expiration date. The shelf life of these are only about a year. It takes some practice to get it right and I find the best result is using 50/50 PG/PGA. It stays blended and preserves far better.

 

[dannyv45]

....... double post sorry

 

[HMav]

NETs and TAs can be very thick and difficult to dissolve in anything, taking time and constant mixing. That said, I would stay away from those flavors and not vape the mixed juice until hearing back from them.
I too am interested in what NN has to say, I've been very pleased with everything I have ordered from them.

zoiDman, if said food item could reasonably be expected to have black sludge sticking to the sides and bottom of the container and it didn't indicate a lack of quality or that it had gone bad, I would certainly eat it. In fact, vegemite is nothing but black sludge, and it's good for you!

 

[Mr.Mann]

You see this a lot with the venders that boast that there flavorings are naturals or made with extracts and essences. The problem with them is they don't always know how to mix them properly and this will happen. I have made many juices using these products and also make my own NETS and use absolutes and have seen this time and time again with my own mix downs with nets absolutes and essences. As the product sits they seperate. Another problem with them is shelf life so you really need to know the expiration date. The shelf life of these are only about a year. It takes some practice to get it right and I find the best result is using 50/50 PG/PGA. It stays blended and preserves far better.

If this is their tobacco then it is an absolute (as long as it came from a tobacco concrete, but I digress). They make no mention of what the product will arrive like. Many of us know what TA is and how much of a mess it can be to work with, but I really think NN missed the boat on explaining the details of this and producing a product that comes looking more like it came out of lab than out of someone's waste. This is what their site says about it (assuming the liquid in question was this):

"This is an ‘Absolute’ extract from select fresh flue-cured tobacco leaves. Our extraction process yields a flavor extract absent of nicotine*, nitrosamines, diacetyl, and other harmful ingredients present in combusted tobacco or other extracted tobacco products. Enjoyable mellow and nutty notes of tobacco with none of the combusted taste of a normal cigarette. A true gem in its own light. We worked hard on this one, and hope you enjoy the fruits of our labor as much as we do!

*Our tobacco absolute extract is absent of nicotine, and can be truly formulated to 0mg/mL if required. We utilize a similar process to that of the decaffeination of coffee beans to remove trace nicotine from our product. However, please be advised, other minor tobacco minor alkaloids present in any extract will potentially result in a failed conitine test.

That last underlined part (emphasis mine) was actually recommended to them by me when DVap and I talked to the Jaker about his former claim of calling this product WTA.

With some of this stuff, like D45 just mentioned, a lot of DIYers actually have more of handle on it then the vendors, which tells a lot about some of our DIY Gurus. I've learned more from reading blogs like D45's then talking with some of these vendors.