Man, I really wasn't trying to "P" anybody off, and yes, I just stepped in WAY over my head. I am talking business models, in general. And yes I know that computers are not equivalent to PVD's, but good business practices (as Provapes has) should always be followed upon. No I'm not extremely worried that Provapes will go outof business if they don't produce a "NEXT Great Thing", but i just missed my chance at the Legacy I've been dreaming of since they discontinued the Prodigy, and would hate to miss my chance with the Provari. I as some have already pointed out, am not experienced enough with VV/VW to have concluded the falicy of the set and forget, as much as it's preached out there. How could I? But I do know there is a large populace that has bought into it, and wright or wrong, they would like to spend their money on what they believe is the golden challis. Even if the golden challis is gilded, people do beleive they get a different vape from VV vs. VW. And since vaping is extremely subjective, who am I to tell them they're wrong? But I would sell them the highest quality device that meets their needs to make them happy. Provari was a golden challis found to be solid and worth it's weight. I still believe there is room enough for two at the table without knocking the other off. And I can think of no other than Provpaes to have the ability to do it the right way. There might be others, but none that have garnered the fierce loyalty Provapes has with the Provari. With a nod to Reo for up and comming.
Provari VV & VW ?
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Man, I really wasn't trying to "P" anybody off, and yes, I just stepped in WAY over my head. I am talking business models, in general. And yes I know that computers are not equivalent to PVD's, but good business practices (as Provapes has) should always be followed upon. No I'm not extremely worried that Provapes will go outof business if they don't produce a "NEXT Great Thing", but i just missed my chance at the Legacy I've been dreaming of since they discontinued the Prodigy, and would hate to miss my chance with the Provari. I as some have already pointed out, am not experienced enough with VV/VW to have concluded the falicy of the set and forget, as much as it's preached out there. How could I? But I do know there is a large populace that has bought into it, and wright or wrong, they would like to spend their money on what they believe is the golden challis. Even if the golden challis is gilded, people do beleive they get a different vape from VV vs. VW. And since vaping is extremely subjective, who am I to tell them they're wrong? But I would sell them the highest quality device that meets their needs to make them happy. Provari was a golden challis found to be solid and worth it's weight. I still believe there is room enough for two at the table without knocking the other off. And I can think of no other than Provpaes to have the ability to do it the right way. There might be others, but none that have garnered the fierce loyalty Provapes has with the Provari. With a nod to Reo for up and comming.
Oh btw ... they use lights in baseball stadiums now tooJD
Tell that to Wrigley Fie... oh, wait...
Never mind.
Yeah, they did! Don't remember when they were wound up real tight, and the home runs records were breaki... oh, wait...
Never mind.
I'll be willing to wager that Provari comes out with a "new and improved" model within the next 2 years, what say you?
Despite your antiquated business model .... just sayin'
"Me" say -
OK, enough for me. I must depart. Thanks for the fun, all - and have a pleasant Saturday.
They might I guess it depends if something drastically changes in our hardware then they would have to change but as long as China is the windows of mods making unstable mods that have to be replaced often preform poorly and crash then Provape will be apple and make a solid operating system that dose what its supposed to do.
I will say since we are talking windows I am enjoying windows 8 and my Dell 27" touch screen with infinity speakers and 16 gigs of ram its the first thing since lap tops and windows XP that are a significant improvement worth spending on IMO
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I really don't think we disagree that much at all. I agree that Provari has had the best quality, best-constructed regulated mod out there, for a while now ... bar none. But surely, no one is advocating that they keep it unchanged indefinitely. That would be idiotic as technology marches forward. I'm not suggesting that they should blow with the wind, or change with every gimmick that comes along. But, as with any company, they will want to occasionally upgrade and improve their products over time. If I am off-base, or not making sense, then so be it. Anyway, I'm done. Disagree, all those who will.
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Heavens no! I look forward to what they come out with next! But I hope they are smart enough to not jump on trends, which I think we've seen them to be.
I've heard rumors of a VW, but I really can't seem them devoting the time to develop a new board, to meet their demanding specs. but I've been wrong a lot!
I think the sub ohm fad will fade some with the advances in micro coils and wire advances coming in the near future.
I've heard rumors of a VW, but I really can't seem them devoting the time to develop a new board, to meet their demanding specs. but I've been wrong a lot!
I think the sub ohm fad will fade some with the advances in micro coils and wire advances coming in the near future.
Your calling me an idiot...... well lets step out back sir;-) I agree 100% if you dont evolve you die with the dinosaurs Provari has made a few changes and Im sure they will continue to evolve or I hope they do. The post you were disagreeing with was meant more in they do not need to jump on the band wagon in making a VV/VW mod as what they have now is better than 90% of those mods to date.
I was not calling YOU an idiot. I was saying for a company not to evolve over time would be idiotic. At least, that's what I meant to say. If it came across as me calling YOU an idiot, then please forgive my lack of clarity. I don't think Provari will ever be accused of "jumping on the bandwagon," nor should they try.
For the record, I did say I hoped they would come out with a VV/VW model, but that's just me wishing. I'm sure they have many more improvements in mind, that I would never think of.
Shake hands?
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I've heard nothing other then rumours about it doubt they would spend all the time they are doing making new colours all the time if they had a upgrade on the cards don't think they will be able to keep the same shape and size if they made a new mod
I know just being silly
plus you cant help it being a Yankee and all. I know your from TX but anything north of Austin is a yank;-)
I know just being silly
Haha, Ft. Worth born and raised here. I can eat Tex-Mex with the best of ya.
JD
Haha, Ft. Worth born and raised here. I can eat Tex-Mex with the best of ya.
To many Darn Californians there But Lots of pretty women I dated a couple Fort Worth Ladys before I got remarried.
I love provari threads they are always fun to read, they are the only topic I will read 10+ pages of just to be part of the discussion.
Vw is not great as butters stated as coils are all different in different setups like rda to rba to tanks so you need to change watts anyways = watts fail.
Dna20 mods only good in high watts = fail.
Cheap Chinese mods break 80% of the time when dropped at 3ft = fail.
Reliable, consistent, dependable, the list goes on for provari and you get local reasonable, fast repairs with great customer service = win
Disclaimer - these are my own opinions and I don't care about yours.
Vw is not great as butters stated as coils are all different in different setups like rda to rba to tanks so you need to change watts anyways = watts fail.
Dna20 mods only good in high watts = fail.
Cheap Chinese mods break 80% of the time when dropped at 3ft = fail.
Reliable, consistent, dependable, the list goes on for provari and you get local reasonable, fast repairs with great customer service = win
Disclaimer - these are my own opinions and I don't care about yours.
I just ordered a svd for my wife as she needs a upgrade from her ego-c twists and I expect it to fail but I plan to get her a provari for Christmas so the svd is a backup device really she just don't know that yet.
Good morning! I'm going to toddling back in here for a minute.
For as large as ECF is, it is not the entire vaping community. Despite the number of people posting on this thread, you are a minority of ECF members. I hang out on ECF because I'm curious and I like to write. If I wasn't active on ECF, I wouldn't be able to follow anything you wrote, nor would I care. The bottom line is I need a device that turns on and off and doesn't break easily. Being able to vary the power is quite nice, being able to fine-tune my flavors has spoiled me, but I don't need a battery device to do that for me. The Reo doesn't do it. If I want to change the power I put on a different resistance atomizer or cartomizer.
Variable voltage vs. variable wattage makes no difference to me. When voltage is adjusted, the wattage changes, when wattage is adjusted the voltage changes. Seven watts is seven watts in my simple vaping world, it doesn't matter how I get there. The VW feature that reads the resistance for me and adjusted the voltage for me is cool, but I don't need it. All of my juice delivery devices are between 1.5Ω and 3.0Ω, which isn't much of a variance. And how do I know what the resistance is? I bought them. The only times I even think about Ohm's Law is when I'm buying attys and cartos and when I'm using the Reo. With a fresh battery I put a 2.0Ω atty on the Reo, when the vape starts to get a bit cool, I put on a 1.5Ω atty, when I gets cooler still, I change the battery. That's it; everything else is bells and whistles.
I was quite happy with a pair of Twists, carto tanks and 306 dripping attys. I sometimes used clearos for variety; nothing fancy. I was vaping before I found ECF, so I was lucky not to be hit with all of the confusing choices new members frequently are. I never started a "What should I buy" thread. I'm also lucky that I like puzzles and am realistic about the limitations of little pieces of mass-produced plastic. If something leaked or tasted burnt I would examine it, off-the-shelf devices aren't very complex. If I could figure it out and fix it I did. If I couldn't figure it out, I threw it away. We're talking plain cartos, attys and clearos here. I buy cheap, I buy in bulk and I expect a high failure rate. If they die quickly, it was expected; if they last longer I'm filled with glee!
As I said, I was happy with my Twists, but as my 6th month of being tobacco-free was approaching I wanted to reward myself with a new toy. I seriously considered the Vamo, but I couldn't get passed how it looked. If it had been smaller and didn't look so industrial I would have bought it. That left the ProVari. I'm sure there were other choices at the time (certainly not as many as now), but they all ran together. I couldn't tell one device from another and I had been on the forum long enough to know that a "What should I buy" thread would turn into a train wreck I couldn't understand anyway. So I vaped my Twists and read the forum. After awhile I noticed a pattern. Almost all of the members I liked and whose perspective was similar to mine had ProVaris. I don't mean when they were posting about the ProVari, I mean when they posted observations and opinions about other topics. I bought my first eGo kit after watching a video on youtube, so it was nice this time to have people I respected who already owned what I was considering. I only asked one member what he thought of my choices and he actually was in favor of either the Vamo or the ProVari. It finally came down to the body. I didn't like how the Vamo looked and was also afraid it would get scratched. I bought the ProVari. I love the ProVari. It turns on and off, I can adjust the power and it probably won't break if I drop it.
I subsequently got:
A Vamo (because I was curious about the VW hoopla and it was on sale)
A Bobo (because it's über kawii)
A little 3.7v box mod (I won in a contest)
I like all of them to various degrees.
When my 1st year tobacco-free rolled around, I again wanted something special. After 40 years of smoking it was a big fvking deal! I looked for something unusual and found the Phidias, a beautiful wooden bottom-feeder. I had never tried a bottom-feeder before, so that was an added plus, but I bought it as a work of art not expecting to use it very much. As it turned out I like bottom-feeders. I drip a lot and didn't realize how similar the systems are. That presented a problem. The Phidias is more beautiful in person than in pictures and it is made of wood. I didn't want to wreck it. I looked at every bottom-feeder I could find, from vendors all over the world, and decided on a Reo. Again, it came down to consistent performance and durability. Another consideration was Reo owners. One thing I have learned from owning a ProVari is that when a device has a devoted following (excluding obnoxious fan boys) of intelligent people who could buy other mods if they wanted too, the devotion is probably deserved. The Reo is all I hoped it would be.
Long story long. My point is that I am closer to the target market than you are. My friends and I don't care about VV vs. VW, my friends don't even understand it, since they don't hang out on ECF. Amp limits, wrapping coils, sub-ohm, high watts, etc., are meaningless to our demographic and we are the potential customers, not you. More colors and a purple LED screen would sell more ProVaris than variable wattage.
Rawr
This is my opinion, based on my experience. If you disagree, good for you.
This is my opinion, based on my experience. If you disagree, good for you.
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I bet a Provari for the wife on Xmas day will mean Xmas night lovin good plan!
Good morning! I'm going to toddling back in here for a minute.
For as large as ECF is, it is not the entire vaping community. Despite the number of people posting on this thread, you are a minority of ECF members. I hang out on ECF because I'm curious and I like to write. If I wasn't active on ECF, I wouldn't be able to follow anything you wrote, nor would I care. The bottom line is I need a device that turns on and off and doesn't break easily. Being able to vary the power is quite nice, being able to fine-tune my flavors has spoiled me, but I don't need a battery device to do that for me. The Reo doesn't do it. If I want to change the power I put on a different resistance atomizer or cartomizer.
Variable voltage vs. variable wattage makes no difference to me. When voltage is adjusted, the wattage changes, when wattage is adjusted the voltage changes. Seven watts is seven watts in my simple vaping world, it doesn't matter how I get there. The VW feature that reads the resistance for me and adjusted the voltage for me is cool, but I don't need it. All of my juice delivery devices are between 1.5Ω and 3.0Ω, which isn't much of a variance. And how do I know what the resistance is? I bought them. The only times I even think about Ohm's Law is when I'm buying attys and cartos and when I'm using the Reo. With a fresh battery I put a 2.0Ω atty on the Reo, when the vape starts to get a bit cool, I put on a 1.5Ω atty, when I gets cooler still, I change the battery. That's it; everything else is bells and whistles.
I was quite happy with a pair of Twists, carto tanks and 306 dripping attys. I sometimes used clearos for variety; nothing fancy. I was vaping before I found ECF, so I was lucky not to be hit with all of the confusing choices new members frequently are. I never started a "What should I buy" thread. I'm also lucky that I like puzzles and am realistic about the limitations of little pieces of mass-produced plastic. If something leaked or tasted burnt I would examine it, off-the-shelf devices aren't very complex. If I could figure it out and fix it I did. If I couldn't figure it out, I threw it away. We're talking plain cartos, attys and clearos here. I buy cheap, I buy in bulk and I expect a high failure rate. If they die quickly, it was expected; if they last longer I'm filled with glee!
As I said, I was happy with my Twists, but as my 6th month of being tobacco-free was approaching I wanted to reward myself with a new toy. I seriously considered the Vamo, but I couldn't get passed how it looked. If it had been smaller and didn't look so industrial I would have bought it. That left the ProVari. I'm sure there were other choices at the time (certainly not as many as now), but they all ran together. I couldn't tell one device from another and I had been on the forum long enough to know that a "What should I buy" thread would turn into a train wreck I couldn't understand anyway. So I vaped my Twists and read the forum. After awhile I noticed a pattern. Almost all of the members I liked and whose perspective was similar to mine had ProVaris. I don't mean when they were posting about the ProVari, I mean when they posted observations and opinions about other topics. I bought my first eGo kit after watching a video on youtube, so it was nice this time to have people I respected who already owned what I was considering. I only asked one member what he thought of my choices and he actually was in favor of either the Vamo or the ProVari. It finally came down to the body. I didn't like how the Vamo looked and was also afraid it would get scratched. I bought the ProVari. I love the ProVari. It turns on and off, I can adjust the power and it probably won't break if I drop it.
I subsequently got:
A Vamo (because I was curious about the VW hoopla and it was on sale)
A Bobo (because it's über kawii)
A little 3.7v box mod (I won in a contest)
I like all of them to various degrees.
When my 1st year tobacco-free rolled around, I again wanted something special. After 40 years of smoking it was a big fvking deal! I looked for something unusual and found the Phidias, beautiful wooden bottom-feeder. I had never tried a bottom-feeder before, so that was an added plus, but I bought it as a work of art not expecting to use it very much. As it turned out I like bottom-feeders. I drip a lot and didn't realize how similar the systems are. That presented a problem. The Phidias is more beautiful in person than in pictures and it is made of wood. I didn't want to wreck it. I looked at every bottom-feeder I could find, from vendors all over the world, and decided on a Reo. Again, it came down to consistent performance and durability. Another consideration was Reo owners. One thing I have learned from owning a ProVari is that when a device has a devoted following (excluding obnoxious fan boys) of intelligent people who could buy other mods if they wanted too, the devotion is probably deserved. The Reo is all I hoped it would be.
Long story long. My point is that I am closer to the target market than you are. My friends and I don't care about VV vs. VW, my friends don't even understand it, since they don't hang out on ECF. Amp limits, wrapping coils, sub-ohm, high watts, etc., are meaningless to our demographic and we are the potential customers, not you. More colors and a purple LED screen would sell more ProVaris than variable wattage.
Rawr
This is my opinion, based on my experience. If you disagree, good for you.
Im not sure I get what your saying would you explain your self in depth a little better;-)
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