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Rttch

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Quebec sues tobacco companies for $60B - Health - CBC News

This has been covered, I'm sure, in depth to the "n"th degree. However, the following quote has me wondering about some of the assumptions about BT and our governments:

Quebec is the fifth Canadian province to launch a suit against the tobacco companies.

That is almost half of Canadian provincial governments targeting tobacco companies in what I consider a big movement. As a whole, Canada has been bringing down the hammer on cigarettes and the companies that supply them. No more added flavours (except for menthol), increase in price (again)1, gross pictures and warnings/labels all over the packages. Imperial Tobacco claims that it is a cash grab, but I think it's a bigger push to suppress tobacco companies and make it even more difficult to supply cigarettes and to probably be another step toward banning them altogether. For the health risks that develop in smokers (we ALL have our stories, right?), I do like to see this as a step forward (although I might not have before I switched to vaping...).

With that stated, do you think Canada will make it easier or more difficult to vape with nicotine liquid? I could see it going either way. It could become easier, because they could push smokers to switch to vaping with more research and studies done about it being incredibly successful and definitely the "lesser evil". It could become more difficult though if they change legislation regarding nicotine in general which would probably have a negative impact on our vendors - and us - to get our pg and vg with nic in them.

1 I do recall a time when a pack of smokes was close to $15 for my mom (in the 1990's I think?) and tons of people were getting them off the black market. The prices were dropped to around $4 a pack to circumvent the impact of the black market. I'm already seeing that happen again as a pack costs around $12 and people seem to go to the reserves to get them now or to the black market for cheaper prices. Again, I'd love to know your thoughts on how you think this will play out with regards to the provincial governments breaking out the lawsuits and how big tobacco might respond to it.
 

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Here is the reality of tobacco.

A guy smokes, gets lung cancer and dies at 50. The government pays a certain amount for his health care.

A little old lady, never smokes or drinks, lives to the ripe old age of 88. The government pays the same amount in health care and nursing care to get her to that age.


The man paid all of those tobacco and liquor taxes along the way.

Given this, do you really think the government wants to ban tobacco and have everyone live to 90?
 

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Quebec sues tobacco companies for $60B - Health - CBC News

Imperial Tobacco claims that it is a cash grab, but I think it's a bigger push to suppress tobacco companies and make it even more difficult to supply cigarettes and to probably be another step toward banning them altogether.

With that stated, do you think Canada will make it easier or more difficult to vape with nicotine liquid?

1 I do recall a time when a pack of smokes was close to $15 for my mom (in the 1990's I think?)


I have to agree it is a cash grab. How can the gov sue when they have their hands in the pie. It's a game of politics, where no one wins. So they are claiming to seek damages for smoking related illnesses....honestly, if it were a top priority why not just ban smoking? But they won't because of the tax revenue. There is more to this than meets the eye and everyone is protecting their own 'derriere'.

As I see it, the current gov won't verbally support vaping as an alternative....it will be too costly to fund studies that aren't deemed a priority like fake lakes and super prisons (lol). I would guess vaping will remain in a perpetual limbo, not threatened, not pursued. IMHO, it isn't a bad idea to leave well enough alone.

I can't see an outright ban on nicotine, now that big pharma is involved with NRT's. More pie? Besides, if aspartame (a neurotoxin) is allowed to be consumed by all ages...how could they prove nic is worse? I'll stop myself here before I rant and rave about all the injustices in our system.

Yes the 90's price drop, we called it the Chretien Christmas :) I doubt it will happen again and if tobacco companies are continuously sued and have to part with money, they will recoup the loss from the consumer.

Yes, I'm really opinionated today :)
 

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I have never had the impression that the Government would like people to quit smoking. They put the warnings and pictures on packages so they can cover their posteriors.

The exception may be Nova Scotia, I believe, who will provide patches and group help (free of charge) to quit smoking? Then again, Daryl is just a nice guy!

It is harder for the Government to give up the 'tobacco tax grab' than it is for people to give up smoking!
 
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