Prowattie mod....I don't Think So!

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First I will start off in saying I am impressed by not only the Provape company, but by their product line and the quality of such.

I am quite satisfied by the features of my Provari and all it has to offer. It is built like a brick :censored: house, it has a heavy feel to it, and it is made of quality components, including the chip set.

While this post is not intended to offer anything more than information, it will probably start a debate, bring out a bunch of Provari haters, etc., if that is the result, I cannot help that as what I am about to write is fact, not my opinion. As a matter of record I try never to post anything that is hypothesis or theory but rather substantiated fact.

I highly doubt that Provape will ever produce a Variable Watt model here is why:

I watching the review of the dna 20 chip set which features VW as opposed to VV, that’s right you can vary the wattage, not the voltage; the chip set automatically varies the voltage based on the atomizers resistance, and supposedly it has safety circuitry to prevent an excessive over wattage setting by the user.

I have only been able to find essentially what is a user’s manual with the pc board pin outs, and some technical references regarding maximums and minimums, etc. I have not been able to find any specifications from Evolv that gives the data such as “it samples resistance of the atomizer 10,000 times a minute, or per second” it use an ABC processor capable of x number of instruction sets per second…and yes even phones have a CPU, as so does a VV or VW mod.

Here is all I could find technically about the DNA 20 Chip Set by Evolv

Now then it is simple, if the chip set regardless of the wattage you choose only supplies the recommended voltage based on resistance of the atomizer coil, you really have gained nothing, and in fact have lost the ability to tweak you own vaping experience as you can with a Provari, which has voltage stabilization circuitry to compensate for battery drain.

It also goes back to basic electrical theory and Ohms law, which I will not waste my time going back over again, as it has been explained here several times before.

Wattage is a measurement of consumption of electricity, and is directly related to electrical resistance, and the load placed on an electrical circut.

Voltage is the amount of electricity.

Amperage is the force of the electricity.

You have a high intensity flash light with a 10 watt halogen bulb, it has X number of battery cells in it.
When you turn it on with a burned out bulb how much wattage or electricity is being consumed by the 10 watt bulb?

The above being said how can one vary the wattage when a resistance coil is heated, thus causing a change in resistance, which will vary depending on the time it is heated, air temperature, and e-liquid, thus the given wattage will vary, because the load or consumption has changed.

Of course intelligent electronics can control this, but what will you gain if voltage output is based on measured resistance and set wattage (if you could really set wattage)?

The answer is nothing except a mod that will perform acceptably providing it has battery stabilization circuitry as well.

If you cannot increase the wattage beyond a certain level, because this so called VW system is regulating and safeguarding the voltage based on the atomizers resistance you have just shot yourself in both feet.

Therefore I highly doubt that if side by a Provari and a Futura* were compared based on their performance one could say they had a better vaping experience from the Futura*, especially based on its suggest market price. It is American made, however it has an all-aluminum tube design, and it sports about a $260.00 price tag without any accessories or batteries.

Therefore my answer is simple, I will be VERY happy being a VV, Provari owner!

The Choice is Clear!



*The Futura was used as an example of a mod that is entirely American made and features the DNA 20 chip set,nothing more, nothing less.
 
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I think you're misinterpreting the intended benefit of VW.
I don't expect it to vary the voltage as the resistance of my coil changes in real time.
All i expect it to do is save me the trouble of changin my voltage setting when I change from one coil to another - because it reads the new coil, and adjusts the voltage for me. So if I know I'm happy at 8 watts with a 1.8 ohm head, I'll be happy at 8 watts with a 2.6 ohm coil.

I can achieve the same vape with VV - but I'd need to change the voltage.

That's all it does.
Not a critical feature. Just convenient.
 

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I think you're misinterpreting the intended benefit of VW.
I don't expect it to vary the voltage as the resistance of my coil changes in real time.
All i expect it to do is save me the trouble of changin my voltage setting when I change from one coil to another - because it reads the new coil, and adjusts the voltage for me. So if I know I'm happy at 8 watts with a 1.8 ohm head, I'll be happy at 8 watts with a 2.6 ohm coil.

I can achieve the same vape with VV - but I'd need to change the voltage.

That's all it does.
Not a critical feature. Just convenient.
I really have no dog in this fight. All of my regulated mods are VV. I never felt the need to purchase a VW mod because all of my juice attachments are bought with the same range of resistance. I change flavors frequently, and adjust the voltage according to the "sweet spot" of that flavor. VW would not help me.

I've read many accounts of people who bought a mod specifically for the VW feature. A fair number of them said they still had to do adjustments while in VW mode which required some minor adjustments. This makes me wonder, if this is true, what benefit is VW?
 

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I like the provari too, i also agree about the dna's downsides, so do a few reviewers (i do have a futura coming because of the exceptional build quality though) but companies with like minded thinking are working on just the things mentioned. since provape seems fit to sit on their laurels others are now designing their own chipset to be all that and more.
Aero Vapes | Z by aero, VV-VW to the maxx!

I have read of others as well working on things beyond the old pro chips capabilities..

will it actually come to pass? dunno, but the threats are becoming real, and provape needs to wake up a little and at least offer more then a paintjob as a model refresh, after what 3 years? how about a straight top or even offering prorings on the site at least. it's almost as if they are thumbing their noses and daring someone to take them on, sooner or later someone will accept the challenge.

I really like them and their customer support, but I fear with as fast as the industry is changing now, they will be caught off guard and then we will have what happened to the rollerblade company.
( for the uninformed - invented a top product, sat back, fell asleep at the wheel and everyone passed them by, woke up too late and near death)
 
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Wattage is a measurement of consumption of electricity, and is directly related to electrical resistance, and the load placed on an electrical circut.

^^^ That. And that is why the concept of "no adjustment needed" VW vaping makes no sense. 9 watts consumed by a 1.8 ohm device is not going to be the same thing as 9 watts consumed by a 2.4 ohm device. The idea that VW is "set & forget" is just nonsensical.

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In reading some of the comments I want to clarify something:

I am not dissing any other companies products, personally I would also order a Futura if not for the aluminum body, as I am too hard on my stuff....

I have been a mech user for years and plan on buying a Reo next, and even a Zen, both mechanical mods.

The fact is there have been so many posts regarding VV vs VW with so much bad information, and how Provape' products are over priced and outdated....

I have also been in the vaping lounge in some B&M' listening to various other brand users saying how their devices do not do this or that in regards to how the VV Provari operates.

Perhaps Provape will make a newer version of the Provari, and or have an option to have VW as opposed to VV, who knows....

I do know that as with anything when new technology comes on the scene everyone seems to think what has become refined and stabilized is no longer "as good"

Sort of like cell phones; all phones have soft keys now, are multifunction devices, and can do almost what a PC can, but..BUT have you ever tried to look up a phone number and make a call in bright daylight?

And yes I have a smart phone also, but I also have a Sanyo model for work with a good old fashioned keypad!

Sometimes newer or more technology is not always better.....

JIMHO
 
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I like the provari too, i also agree about the dna's downsides, so do a few reviewers (i do have a futura coming because of the exceptional build quality though) but companies with like minded thinking are working on just the things mentioned. since provape seems fit to sit on their laurels others are now designing their own chipset to be all that and more.
Aero Vapes | Z by aero, VV-VW to the maxx!

I have read of others as well working on things beyond the old pro chips capabilities..

will it actually come to pass? dunno, but the threats are becoming real, and provape needs to wake up a little and at least offer more then a paintjob as a model refresh, after what 3 years? how about a straight top or even offering prorings on the site at least. it's almost as if they are thumbing their noses and daring someone to take them on, sooner or later someone will accept the challenge.

I really like them and their customer support, but I fear with as fast as the industry is changing now, they will be caught off guard and then we will have what happened to the rollerblade company.
( for the uninformed - invented a top product, sat back, fell asleep at the wheel and everyone passed them by, woke up too late and near death)

I agree with your sentiments. I don't necessarily think a VW version of the ProVari is the best way to go. It is possible they are sitting and doing nothing, and in real danger of being passed by in the industry.

It is also possible they are working on something new to offer in version 3.0, that is not VW, but some cool features like higher power options, greater ohm range, etc. I would like to see rings/flat top options from ProVape as well. I agree that face-lifts to current models are not sufficient innovation to preserve their spot at the top of the heap.
 

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.....I agree that face-lifts to current models are not sufficient innovation to preserve their spot at the top of the heap.

For as many times as I see something like this posted, I also see new ProVari owners- even the ones who think like this are the first to suggest it to people who are looking for something better.
Apparently the ProVari in it's current state is still making a killin'!
 

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Well one add on would be a battery backpack for the new 74600 IMR batteries....

I have heard they resemble scuba tanks!

LOL

I agree with your sentiments. I don't necessarily think a VW version of the ProVari is the best way to go. It is possible they are sitting and doing nothing, and in real danger of being passed by in the industry.

It is also possible they are working on something new to offer in version 3.0, that is not VW, but some cool features like higher power options, greater ohm range, etc. I would like to see rings/flat top options from ProVape as well. I agree that face-lifts to current models are not sufficient innovation to preserve their spot at the top of the heap.
 
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