Pub ban on e-cigs help please!

[karenrcg]

A ban has been placed on using e-cigs in all the pubs in may local area
I am still trying to find out exactly where and who is trying to enforce the ban but it seems to be the liquor licensing officer for the area and the local pub watch. Has anyone else had anything like this happen?
I am going to try and fight it once I find out exactly who it is that I need to contact but any advice would be greatly appreciated. I have received lots of support for e-cigarettes even from people that have never smoked, but for now I'm now back to standing outside

Karen x

 

[0ogier]

I believe that the liquor licensing officer cannot enforce such a ban . as He /she has to work inside the law.(And Im pretty sure that that hasnt happend in the uk) It would have to be down to the licencee of the premises as to whether or not to allow them on the premises. and that would be down to pressure from the brewery.

I have a friend who works for a very large company and went to work brandishing their new ecig several months ago, the health and saftey officers at the offices checked up on the ecigs and explained that yes they could be used , but not in the designated smoking shelters as they would be putting themselves at risk by inhaling the 2nd hand smoke.

So maybe one avenue of compliant would be something akin to reckless endagerment on behalf of the breweries against yourself as a non smoker being forced to inhale the 2nd hand smoke albeit outside.

Just a thought and good luck


Regards

0ogier

 

[strayling]

I have a friend who works for a very large company and went to work brandishing their new ecig several months ago, the health and saftey officers at the offices checked up on the ecigs and explained that yes they could be used , but not in the designated smoking shelters as they would be putting themselves at risk by inhaling the 2nd hand smoke.

That's hilarious Bureaucracy at its finest. I love the idea of an e-cig user suing, too.

 

[Boston George]

Being from the US I am not that familiar with law in the UK.

Its most likely some self-righteous group who is leaning on the pubs and threatening their liquor licenses.

You will want to talk with the pub owners make sure they are on your side. Then you will need a lawyer.

Usually such groups back down as soon as the word 'lawsuit' enters the conversation.

The lawyer will be able to advise you as what the best course of action. But as 0ogier suggested 'reckless endangerment' or 'depraved indifference to human life' or something about how being banned from your bar hurt your character.

Again you will most likely not need to go to court, just serving these people with a notice will shut them up.

Best of luck.

 

[Lakota]

A ban has been placed on using e-cigs in all the pubs in may local area...
Karen x

You think that is bad, the vapor police on this side of the pond noticed that e-cig users here usually have a steaming coffee in hand while vaping. They got this paranoid idea that since we are getting our nicotine through vapor, maybe the steaming hot coffee is so we can get our caffeine through steam inhalation. They ruled that no studies had been done on the long term effects of snorting caffeine from coffee steam, and they are now placing a ban on hot coffee too!!!!





Where did the time go, did I miss posting this foolishness on April Fools day?

 

[Boston George]

Someone actually asked me if caffeine carts are made... I fear in the end vaping will be a Pandora's box for designer drug use. Since you could in theory combine anything with G to make the liquid. If people start vaping X or something, we are going to be in for an even tougher fight to keep these legal.

 

[Lakota]

Someone actually asked me if caffeine carts are made... I fear in the end vaping will be a Pandora's box for designer drug use. Since you could in theory combine anything with G to make the liquid. If people start vaping X or something, we are going to be in for an even tougher fight to keep these legal.

Naw, up here, if it is for illegal drugs, hardware is easily accessible. No shortage of head shops, and hash pipes sold at almost every corner variety store. If we promised not to use nicotine and only illegal drugs in e-cigs, ban would probably get lifted eh, lol.

 

[Boston George]

I am not much of an illicit drug person myself but that level of openness makes me smile. Tyrannical puritan morality makes me sad =\

 

[the88thcrazy]

even though this really sucks for you, it's actually a good step in getting e-cig recognition with the public.

sorry about your luck though =/

 

[TropicalBob]

Karen, what is allowed in a private establishment is determined by two factors: a country's laws and/or the owner's rules. The law allow e-smoking; owners can ban it. And a lawsuit will get you nowhere.

Don't you have restaurants with signs like "No shoes, no shirt, no service?" We also have "Gentlemanly attire required." If you don't comply, you don't get in. Owner's rules.

E-smoking looks too much like banned cigarette smoking. It confuses other patrons, particularly cigarette smokers who are fuming that THEY can't fix their addiction over a beer. Some owners do not want the hassle of explaining e-smokers. The same thing is happening here in the States. Some bars are just saying no. I'm sure your owners had an association meeting and decided that all would ban e-smoking. Put up a united front and the problem disappears for all.

E-smoking is not illegal. But it's not legal to do something on another's property when told it is forbidden. Do it anyhow and you get a trespassing charge at a minimum, disturbing the peace or worse if you make a scene.

The notion that you can "smoke anywhere" is pure rubbish.

 

[Boston George]

TB
My understanding of karen's post was that an outside group in the area was putting pressure on the pubs to ban it.

 

[karenrcg]

TB
My understanding of karen's post was that an outside group in the area was putting pressure on the pubs to ban it.

Yep this is what i mean, the landlords of the pubs around here have all allowed e-cigarettes up until now, from what I can gather it is the licensing authority for the local area that is making the landlords impose the ban whether they want to or not
If someone doesn't want to allow e-cigarettes on their property that is fine by me, I have no problem with that. But they have been forced to impose the ban even though they wish to allow it personnally.

Oh and I have no intentions of a lawsuit!! I just wondered if anyone had any similar experiance so I could appeal to the correct authority and maybe have a little insight on what t expect.

 

[Smokin]

Karenrcg

I have not heard of such a ban until i read this post; what an absolute crock of s....

I live in Coventry and a number of landlords have asked me not to vape in their pub; which of course is their right, but I have not yet heard of any legislation that has outlawed vaping per se.

If you have any more information please post it; i shall have a look round in the meantime.

Shocking; discrimination at it's worst.

 

[karenrcg]

Thanks for your reply Smokin.

I will keep you informed if I find anything else out. I know that liquor licensing now falls under the local authority and although there is no specific legislation regarding e-cigarettes I think they can attach their own conditions as to the issue of a liquor license. So if one of the conditions of issue is that landlords don't allow e-cigarettes in their pubs they may just get away with it without it being actual "law" as such.
How long before other areas start doing the same?

 

[Smokin]

Frightening to say the least Karen; This seems to me to be pure stupidity; how many premises have already gone out of business because of the loss of business since the smoking ban; I would imagine any solution that goes toward getting customers back into the pubs would be at least, provisionally welcomed by the landlords; this , as you have mentioned, would semm to point to pressure from an external body

I am going to look into this further and I will ask a friend in the local licensed victuallers association to try and delve a bit deeper, although I suspect, this would be implemented on a local level.

Thank you for bringing this to light

Smokin

 

[karenrcg]

Thanks alot Smokin, any info you can get would be greatly appreciated.

 

[TropicalBob]

Ah, it was pressure, Karen. Sorry for the initial misunderstanding. Pressure against e-smoking will come from all quarters -- and that includes the general public as well as associations and agencies. Your pub owners felt the pressure.

E-devices are so recent to the market that the public remains largely uneducated about how they work, what they emit and the lack of hazard they pose to the environment. We have a big task ahead of us to help non-smokers understand that these don't threaten them in any way. They see cigarette; they get angry.

Seems to me it would be to the pub owners' financial benefit to allow e-smoking. More customers, etc. So the pressure must be quite strong. Good luck in countering it. Ignorance breeds opposition, and that's what you're dealing with, I take it.

 

[nealglover]

Local Authorities in the UK can implement this type of condition on landlords.

Where I live, a few years back, some local councillor decided that he wanted to ban the sale of snakebite (half lager, half cider for those who don't know)

His reasoning was that tourists would think the local beer was cloudy and it would effect tourism. !!!

Now nobody is allowed to sell it, and everyone thinks it is a load of crap but there is nothing they can do about it

 

[Smokin]

Very interesting Neal;

I had no idea they had this kind of power over licencees.


smokin

 

[robson]

A ban has been placed on using e-cigs in all the pubs in may local area
I am still trying to find out exactly where and who is trying to enforce the ban but it seems to be the liquor licensing officer for the area and the local pub watch. Has anyone else had anything like this happen?
I am going to try and fight it once I find out exactly who it is that I need to contact but any advice would be greatly appreciated. I have received lots of support for e-cigarettes even from people that have never smoked, but for now I'm now back to standing outside

Karen x

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