Question about 6 volts and cartos...

[VapRVixN]

Alrighty, so it turns out the charger I got with my batteries doesn't actually fit my batteries, at least not my 18650s. They are trustfire 3.7 3000 mah protected batteries. Apparently they need a bigger charger or something. So I used both of my 3.7 v batteries before I figured this out. I am left with my two 3v batteries, combined to make a 6v stack inside my Roughstack. Now...I didn't get any higher res cartos for the 6v. I've got some regular 2.0 ohms, and one 2.0 ohm dual coil standard res. I'm using the dual coil right now with it.

Is it okay to use 2.0s on a 6v short term? I figure I'm going to have to go till mid week to get a new charger and cartos.

I can tell it is getting it warmer than the lower volts, but it's not getting really hot, or tasting funny, actually tastes awesome. Might have to order a couple extra 3v batteries.

 

[cskent]

What model of charger do you have? I've got a couple of different chargers and 18650's fit, but they're tight. On my TR-001 you have to push hard to get them in because the spring loaded contact is at its max.

 

[VapRVixN]

It was a bundle no name charger that is supposed to fit like 3 different types, just a single battery charger. It's cheap. Feels cheap, hard to use, I need to get a better one.

I was just worried that there was possible danger to using too low of a res/ohm carto on a 6v. I meant to buy a few higher res/ohm cartos when I ordered, but I must of overlooked it. I just don't want to be totally out of a vapor and go buy analogs this soon after not having them.

 

[mwa102464]

Alrighty, so it turns out the charger I got with my batteries doesn't actually fit my batteries, at least not my 18650s. They are trustfire 3.7 3000 mah protected batteries. Apparently they need a bigger charger or something. So I used both of my 3.7 v batteries before I figured this out. I am left with my two 3v batteries, combined to make a 6v stack inside my Roughstack. Now...I didn't get any higher res cartos for the 6v. I've got some regular 2.0 ohms, and one 2.0 ohm dual coil standard res. I'm using the dual coil right now with it.

Is it okay to use 2.0s on a 6v short term? I figure I'm going to have to go till mid week to get a new charger and cartos.

I can tell it is getting it warmer than the lower volts, but it's not getting really hot, or tasting funny, actually tastes awesome. Might have to order a couple extra 3v batteries.

NO, NO , and NO,,,, First off that charger you have is for LiFePo4 3V or 3.2V nominal voltage Batts and only should be used for those Batts so dont go putting any type of 3.7V Batts in that charger at all or your asking for trouble VapRVixN. Secondly you dont want to be using those 2ohm Cartos at 6v you want more like a 3ohm Carto and that would be better at probably 5-5.5V IMHO,,,,,,,, If you want to stack those 3V Batts for use at 6V you are better off using a 2ohm dual coil Carto, at which you have higer ohm total coils and will be able to handle that 6v this way, otherwise you will burn up your single 2ohm coil cartos very fast at 6V. Please be careful and make sure you are using the correct chargers while charging Batts also, you never want to use a charger that isnt meant for anything but the correct voltage Battery, you could risk sending Batts into a thermal runaway if you do, and you wouldnt like those results one bit, it spells BOOM

 

[mwa102464]

Also, do yourself a BIG Favor, throw those Trustfire or Ultrafire Batts away and only buy and use AW Batteries, IMR's when you can. You will also see a big difference in performance using the AW LiFePO4 3V/ 3.2V Nominal voltage Batteries, they are the best LiFePO4 on the market. Do they cost a bit more, yup they do, but there worth every darn cent and when putting a Mod up to your face everyday a few hundred times it's like buying an insurance policy that nothing will ever go Boom or a thermal runway will happen even if a short where to happen, plus you will net a better performance from these then Trutfire/Ultrafire or anything else for a 6v-6.4v vape

Also a good quick rule of thumb for you on Carto ohm and voltage to match up the correct voltage to ohm for a decent vape. Add 2-2.2 to your carto ohm for your peak sweet spot vape. Example: 2ohm Boge Carto 2 + 2.2 = 4.2V for the sweet spot. so in reality a 4ohm Carto would probably vape better at 6v,,,,, unless you are using a dual coil carto then thats a different story like I said in my earlier post try a 2ohm Dual coil it is equal to a 4ohm Carto pretty much anyways

 

[VapRVixN]

Yes, at the moment the 2.0 ohm carto that I have on is dual coil. It was one of the clear tanks from Hoosier.

The 3v batteries I have are solid blue and say 123A 3v 1250 mah, as far as I know they were the LiFoPO batteries. They did not come with the charger. I'm not sure what came with the charger, maybe the 18650s... It's not a trustfire charger. I know I gotta get a new one. It doesn't fit these beast batteries, even though it is supposed to. It's useable for the 123As.

I really need to get my PT up and running.

The whole idea of things blowing up on me, freaks me out a bit. Not too big on blowing a hand off. That's one thing analogs never threatened to do, blow my hand off or half my face.

 

[cskent]

Well I hate to tell you this but most chargers that are for Li-ion batteries shouldn't be used to charge 3v batts. They are set to cut off the charge at 4.2v which is too high for a 3v battery. It could destroy the batteries or worse. Check the output voltage on your charger to see what the cutoff is. Mine says "Output 4.2v 500Ma". I think the cutoff for a charger used on 3v batteries is around 3.5v.

 

[turnforward]

Also, do yourself a BIG Favor, throw those Trustfire or Ultrafire Batts away and only buy and use AW Batteries, IMR's when you can. You will also see a big difference in performance using the AW LiFePO4 3V/ 3.2V Nominal voltage Batteries, they are the best LiFePO4 on the market. Do they cost a bit more, yup they do, but there worth every darn cent and when putting a Mod up to your face everyday a few hundred times it's like buying an insurance policy that nothing will ever go Boom or a thermal runway will happen even if a short where to happen, plus you will net a better performance from these then Trutfire/Ultrafire or anything else for a 6v-6.4v vape

HEAR, HEAR!!!!!
Trustfire Batteries should be called "TrustNotFire","ThrowInTheFire","TrustFire your FIRED" or my favorite "TrustMe they're crap!"

I bought my first mod and it came with TF batteries, I kept sending the mod back because it didn't work that great. They kept sending it back saying it worked fine. I went through FOUR SETS of TF batteries, and the mod was sketchy at best. Then I tried AW Batteries in it, and it worked better and longer than it did before. More than a year with two sets.

My second mod also came with TF batteries, it was even weaker than my standard 280mah 510 batteries. I sent this one back with the batteries, they said the mod worked fine, and sent me a new set of TF Batteries. Still didn't work. This was a small mod, I just threw it in the cabinet for months. Then when I was ordering from MadVapes and saw an AW battery that would work in it, so I said "what the hell, I'll try it with this one". And it worked really, really good.

TrustFire Batteries cost $2 a battery, that's why mod makers use them. Which is stupid, because I thought that the mods I bought were crap at first, not the batteries. Good batteries cost from $6 to $15 a piece.

 

[VapRVixN]

Well, I had no problem with my two trustfire 18650s they worked beautifully in the Roughstack. I just can't charge them, or the LiFoPros 3vs either. I'll probably order a few other batteries, with the charger, just looking to find a place I can get the batteries, charger, a 801-510 adapter, and a few more cartos. It's not too big of a deal, my little stick 280mah batteries work well with the cartos I have, so I can use those till the new ones come in, hopefully avoid buying a pack of real cigs to get my through the wait.

Thanks for the suggestions with the batteries. I'm going to look into the other brands before I make a purchase.

 

[Dandafixr]

Also a good quick rule of thumb for you on Carto ohm and voltage to match up the correct voltage to ohm for a decent vape. Add 2-2.2 to your carto ohm for your peak sweet spot vape. Example: 2ohm Boge Carto 2 + 2.2 = 4.2V for the sweet spot. so in reality a 4ohm Carto would probably vape better at 6v,,,,, unless you are using a dual coil carto then thats a different story like I said in my earlier post try a 2ohm Dual coil it is equal to a 4ohm Carto pretty much anyways

Thank you for explaining that, helped me ALOT

 

[mynameisrob]

Using AW IMR High-drain batteries are def the way to go, especially on an unregulated PV like the RS. With regular batteries you will notice a fairly big drop off in vape performance as the battery drains. A high-drain battery provides a more consistant voltage for longer, so using them on the RS will give you a much more consistant vape as the battery drains. For only a few bucks more, it's def worth getting an AW IMR battery and having a much more consistant vape.

E-Power Charger
Is this the charger you have?
Bc it will charge 18650 batteries, it's just a really tight fit and they won't sit in perfectly straight. They will charge though, you just need to move the positive end arOund some until the light turns red. I charge 14650 batteries on that charger and the TR-001 charger. Their the same length as the 18650s but skinnier. Like the 18650s it's a tight fit, but will charge if you set them in right

 

[VapRVixN]

Using
E-Power Charger
Is this the charger you have?
Bc it will charge 18650 batteries, it's just a really tight fit and they won't sit in perfectly straight. They will charge though, you just need to move the positive end arOund some until the light turns red. I charge 14650 batteries on that charger and the TR-001 charger. Their the same length as the 18650s but skinnier. Like the 18650s it's a tight fit, but will charge if you set them in right

Yeah, that's the charger. I put the first battery in their backwards...so I'm not sure if that screwed that battery up or not. But I noticed if I wiggled the battery around it would turn red momentarily, but as soon as I took my fingers off it it'd change back to green. It's like the batteries are just a tad too fat to fit in and the positive nipple won't hit the nipple on the bottom of the charger. It's like the nipple on my charger unit is located a little too far back.

 

[VapRVixN]

At the moment I'm kind of enjoying my LR 306 on my small batteries. Only minimal mess with dripping. Makes the chocolate flavor more pronounced than in the cartos.

 

[mwa102464]

Well I hate to tell you this but most chargers that are for Li-ion batteries shouldn't be used to charge 3v batts. They are set to cut off the charge at 4.2v which is too high for a 3v battery. It could destroy the batteries or worse. Check the output voltage on your charger to see what the cutoff is. Mine says "Output 4.2v 500Ma". I think the cutoff for a charger used on 3v batteries is around 3.5v.

Yes you probably have the Trustfire TR-001 or another Trustfire charger for 3.7V Batts which are ok chargers, however Ultrafire does make a 3V/3.6v Charger the WF-138 which is for 3v & 3.6v Battery charging and it has a switch on the side to switch from one setting 3v to the next 3.6v. These chargers are all fine to use and work great even though they are inexpensive and with the Phila charger being one of if not the best of them all. The Chargers that I find to be the ones to stay away from particularly are the Black or gray no name single and double port chargers made of a really thin cheap plastic also having very cheap looking supply cords and many times may come with a kit or a Batt purchase.

VapRVixn, those 123a Batts you have I highly doubt are 1250mAh , and most of these lower grade Chinese manufactured Batts have an over stated mAh rating, where the AW is usually very close to what it states there mAh is. Again I strongly urge you to get rid of these other knock off 123a Batts you plan on using for 6v vaping and get your self at least 2 pair of the AW LiFePO4 3v/3.2v nominal voltage AW Batts. Especially vaping at 6v with LiFePO4'S you shouldn't keep using the same pair of Batts and continuously draining them and recharging them and using that one pair, it is best to have a few pair and use them in rotation, as well as keeping them in set pairs, labeling them like this A-1 A-2 , B-1, B-2 ,, C-1, C-2 and keeping them in these pairs and using them as such by marking them this way with say a sharpie, as well as trying to rotate there positins not always using the same Batt on top and bottom because the top batt always will drain faster and first. It is also good to rest your Batts after you take them out of your PV for a while before you just slam them right back into the charger, as well as letting them rest a bit before taking them right off your charger and going right back into your PV, this is like continuous use more or less and these power cells need a break in between uses so rest the set before each use whether it be in a mod or on the charger both are under use whether powering something or under charge. These are all good safety practices to use for Batt safety, I know it doesn't sound so important but raising especially a 6V Device up to your face every day a couple of hundred times you will thank me later for using these safety practices and it will be like an insurance policey to you, it only takes one mess up to have a short or Batts go into a thermal runway and have yourself a situation in front of your face that you dont want to ever have. Vape wisely, and keep up on Batt technology and safety is best practices.

 

[mwa102464]

At the moment I'm kind of enjoying my LR 306 on my small batteries. Only minimal mess with dripping. Makes the chocolate flavor more pronounced than in the cartos.

Also best to be using an AW IMR with that LR Atty, the LR draws more Amperage then a standard resistance Atty does, in fact more like double from 1-Amp to 2-Amps while using an LR,,, and those small Batts your using are probably rated at 1-Amp while you are drawing more like 2-Amps, and thus why an AW IMR should be used, your over stressing that small other None IMR Batt your using and its not such a safe way to go, use AW IMR Batts with LR Atty's always.

 

[VapRVixN]

I'll be glad when I get to a point when all of this isn't so confusing and I'm not having to look the basics up constantly. Darn learning curves.

 

[cskent]

@ mwa, you're right, there are some chargers that will do both 3.0v and 3.7v batts. I was just making the OP aware that it was not advisable to use a charger meant for 3.7v batts on 3.0v cells. The OP has this charger, definitely not for use with 3.0v batts.