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what mg juice are you using? i would suggest going a step higher and see if that helps with cravings
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So, I found that certain flavors just make me want to smoke more. Thats clove and the tobacco flavors. I was a heavy menthol smoker and I found that the ice or menthol flavorings worked for me because they are so much brighter than almost anything you can buy anymore. Also, Chai from Virgin Vapor, very heavy in a cinnamon flavor really takes away from my cravings for the analog.
Summary: If the flavor is too much like what you smoke, you just want to hit the analog. Also, the more the throat hit, the less I want a drag. Maybe a 100% VG. You have to make a distinguished difference between what you smoke and what you vape to pull you away from the analog. Ice Honey Apply was very good for me. Light Cuban cigar flavor with Honey and Toffee also hinted at the analog but was so different and so tasty that I was hooked.
Get hooked to vaping, make sure it hits like a cig, burns your throat a bit, good air draw.
Hope this helps!
***EDIT*** Oh yeah, I started with 18mg to cope with the withdraw.
So, I found that certain flavors just make me want to smoke more. Thats clove and the tobacco flavors. I was a heavy menthol smoker and I found that the ice or menthol flavorings worked for me because they are so much brighter than almost anything you can buy anymore. Also, Chai from Virgin Vapor, very heavy in a cinnamon flavor really takes away from my cravings for the analog.
Summary: If the flavor is too much like what you smoke, you just want to hit the analog. Also, the more the throat hit, the less I want a drag. Maybe a 100% VG. You have to make a distinguished difference between what you smoke and what you vape to pull you away from the analog. Ice Honey Apply was very good for me. Light Cuban cigar flavor with Honey and Toffee also hinted at the analog but was so different and so tasty that I was hooked.
Get hooked to vaping, make sure it hits like a cig, burns your throat a bit, good air draw.
Hope this helps!
***EDIT*** Oh yeah, I started with 18mg to cope with the withdraw.
Well depends on your the analog you been using.
For me I was on lights(6mg) for 10yrs+ during my analog, I started vaping with 12mg juice PG/VG 20/80 mix. Nvr wanted the analog. Only issue is when I just started I was vaping a little too often due to taste shock to my taste butts
Usually i stop the vape once it hits me.
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If you are having cravings that often it sounds like a couple things may be going on:
You may not be vaping enough. When you start vaping most people have to work up to vaping enough and on a consistent basis. Nic absorption from vaping is slow, similar to using nicotine gum. And people who have used that know what it's like - by the time you have cravings it's too late to start chewing.
That, and a lot of people try to treat vaping like they used to smoke. Short infrequent vape breaks aren't the same thing as smoking. You can't/don't get knocked over the head with a nicotine rush from vaping.
So you just may not be vaping enough.
The other problem may simply be your nicotine level isn't high enough. There is not a lot of science behind this, so there is no easy way to factor "X" amount of smoking means "Y" amount of vaping this much liquid at this nic level. Different people seem to absorb differing amounts of nicotine from vaping too. You may want to try the next higher nic level to see if that helps the cravings back down.
If you are having cravings that often it sounds like a couple things may be going on:
You may not be vaping enough. When you start vaping most people have to work up to vaping enough and on a consistent basis. Nic absorption from vaping is slow, similar to using nicotine gum. And people who have used that know what it's like - by the time you have cravings it's too late to start chewing.
That, and a lot of people try to treat vaping like they used to smoke. Short infrequent vape breaks aren't the same thing as smoking. You can't/don't get knocked over the head with a nicotine rush from vaping.
So you just may not be vaping enough.
The other problem may simply be your nicotine level isn't high enough. There is not a lot of science behind this, so there is no easy way to factor "X" amount of smoking means "Y" amount of vaping this much liquid at this nic level. Different people seem to absorb differing amounts of nicotine from vaping too. You may want to try the next higher nic level to see if that helps the cravings back down.
RichRod:
I am currently vaping at 12mg and have tried 24mg, but the latter tended to be too rough for my throat. That's the "peppery-ness" of the nicotine I suppose.
Apostlyte:
Im vaping chocolate mint from bulkejuice.com right now, and it is quite delicious indeed. I have tried a few more flavors and like that one the most so far. Not saying I won't try more, of course.
Thank you both for your rather prompt replies. I'm happy someone out there is wanting to see me quit
I am currently vaping at 12mg and have tried 24mg, but the latter tended to be too rough for my throat. That's the "peppery-ness" of the nicotine I suppose.
Apostlyte:
Im vaping chocolate mint from bulkejuice.com right now, and it is quite delicious indeed. I have tried a few more flavors and like that one the most so far. Not saying I won't try more, of course.
Thank you both for your rather prompt replies. I'm happy someone out there is wanting to see me quit
Quitting smoking is not easy. Analogs have a number of additives to increase the rate at which nicotine is absorbed as well as potentiate the effects of nicotine. The e-cig will help reduce the cravings for nicotine. It may also help with the psychological addiction. (The act of holding something to your lips and inhaling and exhaling "smoke".
If your vaping e liquid in the 24 - 36 mg range and still having cravings so strong you go and buy analogs. You might concider WTA (whole tobacco alkaloid) e-liquid.
If your vaping e liquid in the 24 - 36 mg range and still having cravings so strong you go and buy analogs. You might concider WTA (whole tobacco alkaloid) e-liquid.
What sort of setup do you have? Maybe you need a more powerful delivery system.
I get cravings every now and then, when I smell a fresh cigarette, but last time a took a drag- in December while on vacation, my lungs felt like it does when I'm taking apart the head on my extruder at work and get a lungfull of burning PVC on the tooling, which gives off hydrochloric acid gas...
I get cravings every now and then, when I smell a fresh cigarette, but last time a took a drag- in December while on vacation, my lungs felt like it does when I'm taking apart the head on my extruder at work and get a lungfull of burning PVC on the tooling, which gives off hydrochloric acid gas...
I definitely agree with Nic level. 18 was the highest gas station analog style ecig I could get and it was not enough. I would vape indoors and still hit the cigs every couple hours. You may want a 24 to get you off that deep craving for the cig.
Happydave:
As I said in my earlier reply, I vape at 12mg because my throat doesn't like the peppery-ness that comes with the higher strengths.
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As I said in my earlier reply, I vape at 12mg because my throat doesn't like the peppery-ness that comes with the higher strengths.
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I am currently using an Uno Vapor pv with a gemini clearomizer. There is a k100 mechanical mod on the way to my house at the moment, too.
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Just one: make the decision that you're going to, and you will. If you tell yourself, I'll vape but if I get a bad craving, I can always smoke, you can bet your bottom dollar that your brain will furnish you all the cravings and rationalization you need to smoke instead of vape. It's certainly better to smoke a few cigs a day than a whole pk or more, but as long as you give yourself the option, that ol addicted brain will take you up on it. If you set a firm quit date and stick by it, you are far more likely to actually quit.
You also might want to consider a higher nicotine level, to help prevent the cravings, but really, the most important thing is the decision -- I quit, using 6mg; it was only AFTER I had been fully quit for 4 or 5 days that I realized I actually needed about 8mg in the daytime.
Good luck! Welcome to ECF!
Andria
You don't need to inhale a good majority of the nicotine in the vapor is absorbed by the tissue in the inside of your mouth.
You can also inhale a tiny bit and exhale through your nose. This will really increase the nicotine absorption, just beware that the blood vessels in your nose will carry the nicotine straight to your brain. So if your trying it for the first time take one or two and exhale through your nose then Wait about 10 minutes this way know how it will effect you before you go hog wild on it.
Also menthol will help with the "throat hit" high nicotine content brings.
You can also inhale a tiny bit and exhale through your nose. This will really increase the nicotine absorption, just beware that the blood vessels in your nose will carry the nicotine straight to your brain. So if your trying it for the first time take one or two and exhale through your nose then Wait about 10 minutes this way know how it will effect you before you go hog wild on it.
Also menthol will help with the "throat hit" high nicotine content brings.
Thank you everyone for replying to my question. After reading all of this, I feel I have more of a chance of stopping completely. Wish me luck!
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I've been off analogs for about a month. Started vaping 24mg and 18mg depending on flavor. On 18 now but dropping to 12. Tried an analog yesterday and took a puff today (because I was on the bike and forgot my MVP at the house) and they taste horrible to me. My key was not fighting the urge if it started coming up after the first week(or anytime really). It's kind of like when you tell a kid they can't have something, they're gonna want it more and feel more satisfaction when they get it. So, when I did take a smoke, I couldn't stand the smell or the taste.
I started vaping 70/30 PG/VG when I made the switch two months ago. My open pack of smokes was promptly crushed and tossed in the trash, as I thought I was done for good. A few hours later, I feel that familiar craving for an analog. The anxiety, the restlessness. All of the players were there. Now, I had kept an unopened pack stashed away in the event that this happened, and made a plan. Obviously, feeling the cravings despite vaping means there's something in the analogs I'm not getting from the juice. So I made a decision to light up a cigarette, but only take shallow inhales. My body gets what it wants from that, but in lower doses. I would only smoke a cigarette when I reached that feeling like I couldn't go on any longer without it. Each day the draws were more shallow. Soon, I found myself putting them out only halfway through. Five days into the transition, I wake up wanting a cigarette again, so I go outside and light it up. BLEGH! That was probably the nastiest a cigarette has ever tasted, and I promptly butted it. I haven't had one since. As a former pack-and-a-half per day smoker, those five days saw me burning through a total of only 11 cigarettes. It can be done, but it takes patience and resolve. The following week, I switched to 6mg and found it even more enjoyable, and that's where I'm at to this day.
TL;DR: Shallow inhales on your analogs, and only use them when you feel like you can't go another second without. Nature will handle the rest!
EDIT: Said the same thing twice. Oops!
TL;DR: Shallow inhales on your analogs, and only use them when you feel like you can't go another second without. Nature will handle the rest!
EDIT: Said the same thing twice. Oops!
Hm.... a little higher nic than 12 mg might not hurt. Like 15, for example. I vape 18 usually, but I find 15 quite satisfactory (one of my favorite liquids only goes as "high" as 15).
- You can mix it yourself, in the tank. Take the 12, then take the 24 that you have left (if it is a compatible flavor), and add a few drops of the 24 to the 12. Shake and vape. Re-adjust if necessary.
With one lower nic liquid and one higher nic liquid of compatible flavors (vanilla goes with most flavors), you can mix your own strength, in the tank of your atomizer. 12 IS low if you have been vaping for one month only.
Or, if you are in the States, try the WTA liquid that Happydave recommended:
I have not tried it, it is not available in Europe, but I have heard great things about it, for the transition period.
Happy vaping!
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@ErikDrakken:
That sounds like excellent advice!
And yes, the smoke of tobacco cigarettes contains a LOT of stuff in addition to the nicotine. A lot of stuff that - in combination with the nicotine - makes for a powerful addiction. Including MAO Inhibitors, which are normally used as anti-depressants.
When we vape, all we get is the nicotine, not all that other stuff. So yes, there is a withdrawal for that other stuff. It usually starts at approx 3 weeks after the transition - when all that other stuff has left your body - so, OP, you are right in this period of time.
Most of us have been through this period of withdrawals - for this other stuff.
I heard that the WTA liquids help. And if you absolutely, positively want to smoke a tobacco cigarette to ease the transition, then by all means do. This is not a race to see who can make the transition to vaping the fastest.
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My story is similar to a poster above. Took around 5 days for me to stop smoking. Only, I never really intended to quit, so I never tossed my current pack. While vaping didn't immediately eliminate my smoking cravings, my needs for my cigarettes dropped day by day. When I noticed how little I can get away with smoking a couple of days in, THATS when I started thinking of quitting, and consciously trying to reduce the amount I was smoking by turning up the volts on my ego when stronger cravings hit. The more cravings I vaped through, the nastier the eventual cigarette I had became until, around five days in I went to smoke my morning cigarettes and couldn't stand the taste. Not after vaping cherry for most of the day before. I handed the rest of my pack to my husband, who got his kit days after I got mine and was still weaning down. A couple days without vaping, I got curious and lit another up, but was only able to take a single drag before putting it out and running to brush my teeth. It literally tasted like burning tires in a land fill. I didn't think it could get worse then the cigarette I had days previously, but man was I wrong! Now, when I crave a cigarette, that memory serves me very well. I haven't had a craving in months.
This isn't to say that this sort of experience happens to everyone. I realize I'm one of the lucky ones who's taste buds changed rather rapidly. Some never think that cigarettes taste bad. But, I'll bet the longer you go between cigarettes the easier it gets to avoid them due to an increasingly bad taste on some level. Whether it'll be enough is up to the individual. Just try vaping before you cave to a craving. Turn up the power, or keep a spare topper with a little juice that contains a higher nic level then what you currently vape, regardless of the peppery taste. That extra oomph may get you going longer between cigs.
This isn't to say that this sort of experience happens to everyone. I realize I'm one of the lucky ones who's taste buds changed rather rapidly. Some never think that cigarettes taste bad. But, I'll bet the longer you go between cigarettes the easier it gets to avoid them due to an increasingly bad taste on some level. Whether it'll be enough is up to the individual. Just try vaping before you cave to a craving. Turn up the power, or keep a spare topper with a little juice that contains a higher nic level then what you currently vape, regardless of the peppery taste. That extra oomph may get you going longer between cigs.
You mentioned trying 12 and 24, but did not mention trying 18. IME, the difference between 24 and 18 is significant. You may not find 18 to be too strong. As Anja said, you can also mix compatible flavors to get intermediate nicotine levels. For a simple example, mixing half of one level and half of another level will give you the average of the two. So 1 ml of 1 mg/ml and 1 ml of 24 mg/ml would give you 18 mg/ml. Mixing to different levels requires a little more math, but it's not difficult to figure out.
In the morning you either have to vape more or vape a higher strength e-juice (I can vape 18mg in the morning but I stick to 12 the rest of the day). Waiting for smoke breaks is just not a good idea with vaping since the nicotine is absorbed a lot slower. (you should also be taking fewer consecutive puffs than cig smoking, taking a few long draws then putting it down until the next urge to smoke hits).
Years ago I quit for some time using smokeless tobacco and I had similar issues in the first weeks. The urge to smoke is just stronger than the urge to vape (or dip or snus), so you have to pre-empt the urge to a certain extent, even if you are risking mild nicotine OD, it'll kill the urge to smoke.
Years ago I quit for some time using smokeless tobacco and I had similar issues in the first weeks. The urge to smoke is just stronger than the urge to vape (or dip or snus), so you have to pre-empt the urge to a certain extent, even if you are risking mild nicotine OD, it'll kill the urge to smoke.
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