is it bad to get juice from a local vape shop? like juice that is house made. Not premium. I feel like I would trust the house juice because they wouldn't put chemicals and stuff in it.me and my girlfriend have been vaping on this sour skittles flavor and boy is it good lol. But i read that candy and dessert flavors Contain more diacetyl than others which is complete bs just a thought
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dedicated mixers dont use diacetyl laden flavors 
do you feel you local mixer wants to be a good vendor??
do you feel you local mixer wants to be a good vendor??
yes I do. It's just that I asked at another local shop ( not the one I got juice from ) and the dude behind the counter was just like dude every juice has diacetyl in it. It doesn't mean it's bad for youdedicated mixers dont use diacetyl laden flavors
do you feel you local mixer wants to be a good vendor??
Based on what?
Diacetyl, acetoin and acetyl propionyl are molecules that are found in many sweet, creamy, custard, bakery flavorings. Some flavoring companies have developed substitute flavorings (often called DX -- if you DIY) that don't include these molecules but e-liquid made with these DX flavorings don't taste the same. That is the reason many blenders continue to use DAP flavorings.
A good blender will let you know so you can decide for yourself if you want to vape these flavorings.
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In MANY of them. Most blenders add other flavorings to their fruit recipes to improve the taste and give it added dimension. A seasoned mixologist knows how to do this without using DAP flavorings.
Most B&M's who make their own juice do not have this experience.
So your saying there's diketobes and acetones and diacetyl in them?
What I'm saying is MOST LIKELY there are diketones and acetone and diacetyl in their fruit juice (if it isn't comprised of just fruit flavorings).
I have no way of REALLY knowing as I don't know what flavorings they are using in their fruit juice recipe.
The only way you will know is ask them and see if they can give you their latest test results. However, many B&M don't test due to the cost.
Okay gotcha. Sorry for being so annoying. I'm only a week free of smoking and just have so many questions. So, are the premium juices better than? Like bomb sauce alien piss? Or any vape wild? Cause that's what I have been vaping.
Premium juice can ALSO contain DAP. The market sells what people like to vape. And many people like juice that contain DAP flavorings because it tastes great.
Check the juice sellers website to see what they have to say about their juice.
I have been. They're always not going to be honest though lol they want to make money
Then, it's up to personal choice & personal responsibility. It is your choice to find away to verify trust of a vendor, attain products without the risky ingredients, if you choose avoiding them. It is also your choice to use what you desire regardless of verified trust. I think vendors & manufactures of juice ought to be required to honestly label their product, allowing the consumer an informed choice. Now, with the FDA regulations likely to create a black market, that seems a pipe dream at best.
Recently tried using unflavored 50%PG/50%VG nicotine base juice myself. I could actually enjoy that if I chose. I still get the nicotine I desire/need. The unflavored aspect may fool you, there is still a natural sweetness to VG. I may soon in fact be using only unflavored juice base. I may or may not choose to later attain flavorings I can verify trust in, to add to the base if I choose at some point.
By the by, 50%PG/50%VG is actually 41%PG/41%VG using 1.8mg/mL/18% nicotine. I sat and figured that out after looking at a vendor's sales site and the whole ratio of the maths involved. It is basic 10 based metric, and a little less difficult for me to comprehend than I imagined.
Remember, 1 Liter is 1,000 mL and it takes 10 one hundreds to make 1,000 and there are 10 ten mL bottles in 100 mL to make 1 Liter. That pointed to me the 10 base system. To me this seems to work very well, very logically, very simply and it is helpful for my lacking maths skills.
If the juice taste good to you, go for it.
"It's funny, we're all concerned if flavors have anything bad in them and yet we smoked for years knowing it was all bad. I'm going to be ...... if I get hit by a bus. My last thought is going to be "But God, I only vaped the good flavors"."
http://..................com/threads/sweet-cream-substitute.94241/
You are the final judge. re: Confused about diacetyl? You should be | vaping.com
"It's funny, we're all concerned if flavors have anything bad in them and yet we smoked for years knowing it was all bad. I'm going to be ...... if I get hit by a bus. My last thought is going to be "But God, I only vaped the good flavors"."
http://..................com/threads/sweet-cream-substitute.94241/
You are the final judge. re: Confused about diacetyl? You should be | vaping.com
I started DIY last year mostly to save money (1.2 cents per ml) but there are some other benefits. I can tweak nic level. I'd like to use less of it so my stash lasts longer. My flavoring is down to 1.5% and the liquid still tastes fine. Using less flavoring means the odor is less so it's easier to stealth vape. Less flavor also means my clothes and skin don't pick up an e liquid odor. Regardless of interference by the Federal Drug Administration a life long vaper is going to be mixing and rebuilding sooner or later.
Nicotine is 1.01g or 1010mg/ml (we usually accept the 1% error and call it an even 1000). A 1.8mg/ml solution, then, is 0.18%, not 18%. 18% would be 180mg/ml, stronger even than the concentrated 100mg/ml (10%) that we use for DIY.
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From what I have seen in the vape shops that have sprung up around, most have no idea about ECF or what is happening in the vape movement. I went into a shop awhile back they were using ce5's. I said why don't you use rebuild-ables to save money. They thought it was cheaper to throw out the tanks. These people had invested their retirement in a venture sure to bankrupt them. At the time I was buying 14.00 kayfuns from FT and they were selling them for 90.00.
This happens in any consumer market. You'll get an industry set up for the market. The industry goes into high gear to anticipate demand. Then, the industry gets ahead by oh say twenty years. In the mean time your market has only prepared for yesterday's market, what is actually there and not what is expected to be.
One might suppose that living in the information age such pitfalls could be avoided. We still have ignorance, fear, doubt, catching up with the information age itself to contend against though. Being simple, the industry moves too quickly for the market and in response the market moves too slowly for the industry. In between you find some stagnate pools. This has happened since the first automated wheat thrasher came into existence, or the water wheel driven grinding mill.
"We can grid up wheat to make enough flour to supply all consumer need for the next decade, in about a week. Yay! Let's do it!" Then, you have what should be lowered costs due to surplus. Factor in fear driven greed though and you see how easily a loaf of bread can cost $2 to sell but only $0.05 to make. The market screams it has to pay the industry. The industry screams right back it has to pay the market. Neither is correct or in error, both simply pay themselves and hang the customer.
Of course, you can never explain that to bosses. If you try you're just being a trouble maker and they know there's 200 more willing to do your job, not make any waves. Worse case? The bosses replace you with a machine and cut out labor all together. So, you've hung customers & labor both because industry jumps the gun. You cannot recover from that either. You've glutted labor, ergo no more customers, ergo you've surplus product that still does not sell through.
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