I have a question about PG. It says in my manual that if you get the juice from the cartridge on your hands to wash your hands imediatly. I know that the topic of inhaling pG has been discussed but does anyone know why the companies tell you not to get t on your hands but that its safe to inhale it into your lungs? I'm just thinking that my lungs are a more sensitive tissue than my hands are. ( not that I've had any problems with the stuff getting on my hands which it does all the time)Its also used in food stuff and other medicines aparently, does anyone know what medicine its used in I'd be interested to research that as well.
question about PG
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Propylene glycol is used:
As a moisturizer in medicines, cosmetics, food, toothpaste, mouth wash, and tobacco products
As a medical and sexual lubricant (A.K.A. "personal lubricant")
As an emulsification agent in angostura and orange bitters
As a solvent for food colors and flavorings
As a humectant food additive, labeled as E number E1520
As a carrier in fragrance oils
As a less-toxic antifreeze
As a solvent used in mixing photographic chemicals, such as film developers
In smoke machines to make artificial smoke for use in firefighters' training and theatrical productions
In electronic cigarettes to make the produced vapor better resemble cigarette smoke
In hand sanitizers, antibacterial lotions, and saline solutions
In cryonics
As a working fluid in hydraulic presses
As a coolant in liquid cooling systems
To regulate humidity in a cigar humidor
As the killing and preserving agent in pitfall traps, usually used to capture ground beetles
To treat livestock ketosis
As the main ingredient in deodorant sticks.
Propylene glycol has similar properties as ethylene glycol (MEG). The industrial norm is to replace ethylene glycol by propylene glycol.
[edit] Safety
Cases of propylene glycol poisoning are related to either inappropriate intravenous use or accidental ingestion by children.[4] The oral toxicity of propylene glycol is very low. In one study, rats were provided with feed containing as much as 5% PG over a period of 104 weeks and they showed no apparent ill effects.[5] Because of its low chronic oral toxicity, propylene glycol is generally recognized as safe (GRAS) for use as a direct food additive.
Serious toxicity will occur only at extremely high intakes over a relatively short period of time that result in plasma concentrations of over 4 g/L.[6] Such levels of ingestion would not be possible when consuming reasonable amounts of a food product or dietary supplements containing at most 1 g/kg propylene glycol.
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has determined propylene glycol to be "generally recognized as safe" for use in food, cosmetics, and medicines. Like ethylene glycol, propylene glycol affects the body's chemistry by increasing the amount of acid. Propylene glycol is metabolized into pyruvic acid, which is a normal metabolite in the breakdown of glucose, while ethylene glycol is metabolized into oxalic acid, which is toxic.
However, propylene glycol is not approved for use in cat food. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has determined that propylene glycol in or on cat food has not been shown by adequate scientific data to be safe for use. Use of propylene glycol in or on cat food causes the feed to be adulterated and in violation of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act. 21CFR589.1001
Prolonged contact with propylene glycol is essentially non-irritating to the skin. Undiluted propylene glycol is minimally irritating to the eye, and can produce slight transient conjunctivitis (the eye recovers after the exposure is removed). Exposure to mists may cause eye irritation, as well as upper respiratory tract irritation.[7] Inhalation of the propylene glycol vapors appears to present no significant hazard in ordinary applications. However, limited human experience indicates that inhalation of propylene glycol mists could be irritating to some individuals. Therefore inhalation exposure to mists of these materials should be avoided. Some research has suggested that propylene glycol not be used in applications where inhalation exposure or human eye contact with the spray mists of these materials is likely, such as fogs for theatrical productions or antifreeze solutions for emergency eye wash stations.[8]
Propylene glycol does not cause sensitization and it shows no evidence of being a carcinogen or of being genotoxic.[9][10]
Recent Clinical Journal of Medicine article states two cases of adult men experiencing psychosis from use of propylene glycol used in phenytoin injection USP. Both patients had to be switched to Cerebyx (Fosphenytoin Sodium) in order to avoid propylene glycol co-solvent.
Research has suggested that individuals who cannot tolerate propylene glycol probably experience a special form of irritation, but that they only rarely develop allergic contact dermatitis. Other investigators believe that the incidence of allergic contact dermatitis to propylene glycol may be greater than 2% in patients with eczema.[11]
Patients with vulvodynia and interstitial cystitis may be especially sensitive to propylene glycol. Women struggling with yeast infections may also notice that some OTC creams can cause intense burning.[12]Post menopausal women who require the use of an estrogen cream may notice that brand name creams made with propylene glycol often create extreme, uncomfortable burning along the vulva and perianal area. In these cases, patients can request that a local compounding pharmacy make a "propylene glycol free" cream which is much more tolerable.[citation needed]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol
As a moisturizer in medicines, cosmetics, food, toothpaste, mouth wash, and tobacco products
As a medical and sexual lubricant (A.K.A. "personal lubricant")
As an emulsification agent in angostura and orange bitters
As a solvent for food colors and flavorings
As a humectant food additive, labeled as E number E1520
As a carrier in fragrance oils
As a less-toxic antifreeze
As a solvent used in mixing photographic chemicals, such as film developers
In smoke machines to make artificial smoke for use in firefighters' training and theatrical productions
In electronic cigarettes to make the produced vapor better resemble cigarette smoke
In hand sanitizers, antibacterial lotions, and saline solutions
In cryonics
As a working fluid in hydraulic presses
As a coolant in liquid cooling systems
To regulate humidity in a cigar humidor
As the killing and preserving agent in pitfall traps, usually used to capture ground beetles
To treat livestock ketosis
As the main ingredient in deodorant sticks.
Propylene glycol has similar properties as ethylene glycol (MEG). The industrial norm is to replace ethylene glycol by propylene glycol.
[edit] Safety
Cases of propylene glycol poisoning are related to either inappropriate intravenous use or accidental ingestion by children.[4] The oral toxicity of propylene glycol is very low. In one study, rats were provided with feed containing as much as 5% PG over a period of 104 weeks and they showed no apparent ill effects.[5] Because of its low chronic oral toxicity, propylene glycol is generally recognized as safe (GRAS) for use as a direct food additive.
Serious toxicity will occur only at extremely high intakes over a relatively short period of time that result in plasma concentrations of over 4 g/L.[6] Such levels of ingestion would not be possible when consuming reasonable amounts of a food product or dietary supplements containing at most 1 g/kg propylene glycol.
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has determined propylene glycol to be "generally recognized as safe" for use in food, cosmetics, and medicines. Like ethylene glycol, propylene glycol affects the body's chemistry by increasing the amount of acid. Propylene glycol is metabolized into pyruvic acid, which is a normal metabolite in the breakdown of glucose, while ethylene glycol is metabolized into oxalic acid, which is toxic.
However, propylene glycol is not approved for use in cat food. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has determined that propylene glycol in or on cat food has not been shown by adequate scientific data to be safe for use. Use of propylene glycol in or on cat food causes the feed to be adulterated and in violation of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act. 21CFR589.1001
Prolonged contact with propylene glycol is essentially non-irritating to the skin. Undiluted propylene glycol is minimally irritating to the eye, and can produce slight transient conjunctivitis (the eye recovers after the exposure is removed). Exposure to mists may cause eye irritation, as well as upper respiratory tract irritation.[7] Inhalation of the propylene glycol vapors appears to present no significant hazard in ordinary applications. However, limited human experience indicates that inhalation of propylene glycol mists could be irritating to some individuals. Therefore inhalation exposure to mists of these materials should be avoided. Some research has suggested that propylene glycol not be used in applications where inhalation exposure or human eye contact with the spray mists of these materials is likely, such as fogs for theatrical productions or antifreeze solutions for emergency eye wash stations.[8]
Propylene glycol does not cause sensitization and it shows no evidence of being a carcinogen or of being genotoxic.[9][10]
Recent Clinical Journal of Medicine article states two cases of adult men experiencing psychosis from use of propylene glycol used in phenytoin injection USP. Both patients had to be switched to Cerebyx (Fosphenytoin Sodium) in order to avoid propylene glycol co-solvent.
Research has suggested that individuals who cannot tolerate propylene glycol probably experience a special form of irritation, but that they only rarely develop allergic contact dermatitis. Other investigators believe that the incidence of allergic contact dermatitis to propylene glycol may be greater than 2% in patients with eczema.[11]
Patients with vulvodynia and interstitial cystitis may be especially sensitive to propylene glycol. Women struggling with yeast infections may also notice that some OTC creams can cause intense burning.[12]Post menopausal women who require the use of an estrogen cream may notice that brand name creams made with propylene glycol often create extreme, uncomfortable burning along the vulva and perianal area. In these cases, patients can request that a local compounding pharmacy make a "propylene glycol free" cream which is much more tolerable.[citation needed]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol
wow, that's alot to digest. Part of me wishes the fda would just test wether inhaling this stuff is harmful and if it is to what extent. The other part of me knows that when the gov gets involved things get all screwed up, I mean they approved prozac and that can cause suicidal tendencies in dpressed teens, and then their the colesterol meds my dad was on that they approved and later they were puled because they were causing heart attacks. Guess I'll just have to keep inhaling the stuff and see if I get PG lung or a tumor on my face or something, still as good as i feel being off smokes I have o believe that its better for me than the alternative.
Nicotine is absorbed through the skin too so that is another reason for the caution.
oh ok, I don't think I have to worry to much then cuase I only get a tiny bit on me when i'm screwing around with the carts, Thanx
Here is a quote from the "Why Quit" thread that TB wrote.
I never bother wearing gloves even when I am mixing - so far I have not had a reaction to it.
Karen is right. Don't be concerned about propylene glycol on your skin. It's safe. It's used in cosmetics, in fact. The nicotine, however, is very concentrated in our liquid (ingest a thimble full and you're DEAD). But, used as we use it, you'll only inhale itsy-bitsy particles of it in a huge cloud of propylene glycol vapor. If it gets on your skin, however, it can cause contact dermatitis. Dr. Loi has reported on this resulting from his rests in Malaysia (other threads in Health and Medicine).
Note that I soaked a Band-Aid in 24mg E-Liquid and wore it a day, attached to my midriff, to see if it would duplicate Big Pharma's patch. Nope. It didn't work well because PG is slippery. Worse, I got no nic kick.
I did NOT get dermatitis, though. The area under the Band-Aid didn't even appear irritated.
E-Liquid has also been tried in 10% dilution in nasal spray. DON'T. That causes infection.
Long-term? Your nose falls off.
Note that I soaked a Band-Aid in 24mg E-Liquid and wore it a day, attached to my midriff, to see if it would duplicate Big Pharma's patch. Nope. It didn't work well because PG is slippery. Worse, I got no nic kick.
I did NOT get dermatitis, though. The area under the Band-Aid didn't even appear irritated.
E-Liquid has also been tried in 10% dilution in nasal spray. DON'T. That causes infection.
Long-term? Your nose falls off.
I wear gloves when I'm mixing. Even though I haven't had problems any other time, I don't want to invite trouble either.
thanx again all, that was a pretty creative use of juice TB sorry it didn't work out ya could have put those patch makers ota bussiness
Seriously, Big Pharma has a layering and buffering system for patches, allowing timed release of the contents. No way a person at home can duplicate that. I tried.
It began when I read that smokers have withdrawal symptoms while they sleep and never get a good sleep, so I thought a patch overnight might ....
It began when I read that smokers have withdrawal symptoms while they sleep and never get a good sleep, so I thought a patch overnight might ....
TropicalBob said:
Yeah, I left a damm patch on overnight and all I got was funky technicolor dreams that I couldn't wake up from. Frrrrrrrreaky! Yeah, that's a side effect of leaving it on overnight (not to mention the big-assed swollen red place on yer arm.) Now, it's all good if yer into that stuff...but I ain't.
Anyhow, I don't remember ever having withdrawal symptoms while I slept...when I actually had the common sense to take the damm patch off. But that was quite a few years ago so I don't remember. It wasn't as memorable as that funky technicolor dream that had Batman and Captain Kangaroo chasing me through the Land of the Dragons. Shaddap! Don't even say it!!!
Snusers call those "nicotine dreams". Many snusers leave a pouch in their mouth overnight :mrgreen: and love those nicotine dreams.
Aren't the palms of your hands supposed to absorb substances really well?
I've heard of people committing suicide by putting fentanyl patches on their palms. I think I saw it in a movie once too.
I'm going to be more careful about getting the liquid on my hands...
I've heard of people committing suicide by putting fentanyl patches on their palms. I think I saw it in a movie once too.
I'm going to be more careful about getting the liquid on my hands...
Just don't think of our liquid as a death sentence. Far from it. Each drop is about 1mg of nicotine. Now if you swallow 40 drops, you drop dead. But transdermal transmission is less efficient than ingestion. You'd need more. Pure nicotine is an assassin's weapon, but we aren't using that. The relatively small amount we get on our hands won't kill us. But Dr. Loi did report contact dermatitis and recommends wearing gloves when handling the liquid. Easy for him. He's got gloves all around him. I don't have that convenience. Tried mittens. :roll: Didn't work.
TropicalBob said:
*Pictures TropicalBob, smoking his e-pipe, chasing little damned nicotine-filled dropper bottles all around the kitchen with his bemittened hands, cursing all the while.*
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