Question About Tobacco Flavored Juice

[skydragon]

Hello,

Do most if not all tobacco flavored liquids use the same ingredients to get the tobacco flavor.

The reason I ask is that I have tried three different tobacco flavors from a vendor and every time I do, I get very congested. The first time I tried one I ended up with pneumonia after vaping it for a day. After that was cleared up I tried it again to see if it was a fluke. It wasn't. So I tried two other ones for a shorter amount of time but again, major lung problems.

I'm not going to mention the vendor because I don't think it is bad juice. In fact I really liked the flavor. I think there is just an ingredient I can't tolerate for whatever reason.

So I think I might like to try another tobacco but am afraid they all use the same ingredient for the flavor.

I do know that Absolute Burley was used. Is there a difference between the Absolute Flavors?

Any info on what is used for flavoring or suggestions would be much appreciated. Thank you.
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[Switched]

You should be talking to "the" vendor. I use tobacco flavours all the time with out any problems. I even mix my own with Fa flavours again without a problem.

 

[skydragon]

You should be talking to "the" vendor. I use tobacco flavours all the time with out any problems. I even mix my own with Fa flavours again without a problem.

Hi Switched,

I did talk to him and he said everything was on the label and maybe it was a problem with PG. I told him I hadn't had a problem with PG in the past and that the only thing I could see different in the one that got me so sick was Piperonal. And that I had now idea what the artificial flavors would be. He replied again that Piperonal gives it some throat hit and that the one in question and one other one also has Absolute Burley and he thought some cinnamon oil in it. I have had cinnamon flavored juice before so I guess I am thinking maybe it is the Absolute Burley. On the bottle it does state Absolute Turkey but so does one that doesn't bother me. His RY4. Sooooo, I don't what the differences are in the Absolute flavors.

When I asked him more about the Absolute Burley, he just sent the safety sheet on it so that didn't really do me much good. So in that respect I wasn't real pleased because he didn't seem to want to help me try and figure it out but maybe he just doesn't know. So I thought I would ask the DIY people as you all probably know more than the vendors.

I hope that all made sense.

 

[Nikhil]

Piperonal comes from black pepper's piperine, and it's pretty common in vanilla-flavored stuff and perfumes. Are you allergic to other tobacco flavored liquids from other suppliers? What company makes the Absolute Burley?

 

[skydragon]

Piperonal comes from black pepper. Are you allergic to other tobacco flavored liquids from other suppliers? What company makes the Absolute Burley?

Hi PureVapor,

I have used very little tobacco juices as I always felt I wanted to stay away from them. I have tried a couple of Marlboro juices without any problem but then again, I didn't vape them very long as I didn't care for them. The one that made me so sick, I vaped almost all day as I really liked it. And I wouldn't say heavy, heavy vaping. I do like the RY4 but am finding them to now be getting a little too sweet for me.

When you ask who makes Absolute Burley, do you mean the vendor I bought it from or one of the flavor makers.

This is what he told me. I took out the name of the juice.

Piperonal is used to enhance throat hit if I remember correctly.


I do know that ................. has a very small amount of Cinnamon Extract, as well as a Burley Tobacco Absolute essential oil that is also present in the ............ recipe for flavoring. Perhaps your body doesn't take well to the Cinnamon or Burley Tobacco Absolute when inhaled.



I don't recommend vaping the .............. or..............at this point. There shouldn't be a problem elsewhere, at least not to my knowledge, so long as you do not have a PG or VG allergy.

 

[Nikhil]

I doubt it is the e-liquid company that makes the Burley flavoring, so you might want to find out what company makes the flavoring, although that might not do you much good either. There are many ingredients in tobacco flavoring, and if you want to narrow down the problem, you'd have to try a few different liquids.

So you're having similar reactions to those liquids, and absolute burley is a common ingredient among them? Is piperonal in all of them also?

 

[skydragon]

I doubt it is the e-liquid company that makes the Burley flavoring, so you might want to find out what company makes the flavoring, although that might not do you much good either. There are many ingredients in tobacco flavoring, and if you want to narrow down the problem, you'd have to try a few different liquids.

So you're having similar reactions to those liquids, and absolute burley is a common ingredient among them? Is piperonal in all of them also?

Hi PureVapor,

Now that I look again, the piperonal is in just the one that gave me the most problems. It isn't in the second one he suggested I not use. There was a third one I tried using that seemed to start bothering me rather quickly as well. But, that might have been all in my head as I am rather paranoid right now.

If the piperonal is just a pepper type thing, could that bother someone who doesn't have a problem with pepper?

Oh, and if I ask a vendor what their artificial flavors actually are, most don't seem to know.

 

[Nikhil]

Black pepper doesn't have any piperonal, it just has the chemical that is used to make piperonal. Since you're saying they all gave you problems but don't have common ingredients, are you sure you weren't just feeling sick?

Oh, and if I ask a vendor what their artificial flavors actually are, most don't seem to know.

Amusing, isn't it?

 

[skydragon]

Black pepper doesn't have any piperonal, it just has the chemical that is used to make piperonal. Since you're saying they all gave you problems but don't have common ingredients, are you sure you weren't just feeling sick?


Amusing, isn't it?

That was the big question and why I waited until over three weeks of anti-biotics and my lungs pretty much cleared up before trying the first one again. That definitely started having the same affect pretty quickly.

The second one I tried I really kind of think it was being paranoid and my lungs hadn't cleared completely again from using the first one again. For whatever reason, using the first one is very fast acting at this point.

I did ask the vendor if any others had said anything about it and was told no (I really was hoping it was a bad batch. ) so it must just be me.

So I don't know. I just found that maybe I really would like a tobacco flavor as it did help more with my cravings but now I don't know if they all have the basic same ingredients. What exactly is Absolute Tobacco Flavor? It must come in different flavors but what makes it "Absolute"? Like what is the difference between Absolute Burley and Absolute Turkey?

And it is pretty pathetic isn't it?

 

[fumarole]

You'll get nowhere asking the vendors as most don't know about this stuff.

Ask your question in the Ask The Veterans forum, they might be a good bet as they are experienced.

Otherwise, do what other people with similar issues have done, and make your own tobacco extract. Then you can see if it's the tobacco or something else they're putting in there - which it almost certainly is. The thing is, basic eliquid is more or less harmless. Tobacco extract flavoring is harmless (in terms of the sort of reaction you describe). But the other odd stuff they chuck in there to give it some whizz is no good at all in my view. I make my own from tobacco now.

There is a board on ECF now for DIY extracting flavoring from tobacco, it's round here someplace, but you have to be logged in to see it.

 

[sjohnson]

It's not absolute tobacco, it's tobacco absolute.

(Absolutes) are (a) concentrated aromatic oily mixture extracted from plants through the use of solvent extraction.

http://www.bpg.bg/bulgarianrose/essentialoils/absolutes.phtml

As opposed to essential oils ("concentrated hydrophobic liquids containing volatile aromatic compounds extracted from plants") or concretes ("obtained through the use of an organic solvent mixed with plant material.")

So, a tobacco absolute is a solvent-extracted liquid that represents most of the flavorings and colors present in tobacco. The difference between Burley tobacco absolute and Turkish tobacco absolute is the use of Burley tobacco versus Turkish tobacco from which the solvents extract the liquid (the absolute).

 

[skydragon]

You'll get nowhere asking the vendors as most don't know about this stuff.

Ask your question in the Ask The Veterans forum, they might be a good bet as they are experienced.

Otherwise, do what other people with similar issues have done, and make your own tobacco extract. Then you can see if it's the tobacco or something else they're putting in there - which it almost certainly is. The thing is, basic eliquid is more or less harmless. Tobacco extract flavoring is harmless (in terms of the sort of reaction you describe). But the other odd stuff they chuck in there to give it some whizz is no good at all in my view. I make my own from tobacco now.

There is a board on ECF now for DIY extracting flavoring from tobacco, it's round here someplace, but you have to be logged in to see it.

Hi fumarole,

That sounds a little complicated for me. LOL Where do you get your tobacco?

 

[skydragon]

It's not absolute tobacco, it's tobacco absolute.Absolutes

As opposed to essential oils ("concentrated hydrophobic liquids containing volatile aromatic compounds extracted from plants") or concretes ("obtained through the use of an organic solvent mixed with plant material.")

So, a tobacco absolute is a solvent-extracted liquid that represents most of the flavorings and colors present in tobacco. The difference between Burley tobacco absolute and Turkish tobacco absolute is the use of Burley tobacco versus Turkish tobacco from which the solvents extract the liquid (the absolute).

Hi sjohnson,

Okay, that sounds even more complicated for my little pea brain. Is a solvent-extracted liquid a bad thing in and off itself? Does it make sense that a person would have a reaction to Burley tobacco as opposed to Turkish tobacco?

 

[sjohnson]

Your experience is exceptional. Many have used tobacco absolutes, both Burley and Turkish (as well as others) without health issues. Tobacco flavor must come from somewhere, and absolutes are "natural" in that they are an essence of actual tobacco. While not provably safe (no liquids used in vaping have been PROVED safe), absolutes in and of themselves have not generally been linked to health issues.

Some people will be allergic to components in e-liquids. All I can suggest is to find those liquids, if any, that do not cause your reaction.

 

[skydragon]

Your experience is exceptional. Many have used tobacco absolutes, both Burley and Turkish (as well as others) without health issues. Tobacco flavor must come from somewhere, and absolutes are "natural" in that they are an essence of actual tobacco. While not provably safe (no liquids used in vaping have been PROVED safe), absolutes in and of themselves have not generally been linked to health issues.

Some people will be allergic to components in e-liquids. All I can suggest is to find those liquids, if any, that do not cause your reaction.

It's very possible that I have used them and not known it. I do notice on his non tobacco juices he lists Tobacco Absolute Turkey as his second ingredient. I don't know if it is like other labeling where you list ingredients in order of quantity. So an Absolute Tobacco is used even in the non tobacco liquid. At least his.

I have only been going by what he said but so far any of the other flavors I have tried, I haven't used much and the one flavor I vaped almost all day.

I know it is all conjecture and I understand that anything anyone says is just an opinion for the most part, but do you know if many people have problems with Tobacco Essential Oils? (Virginia) That is listed first. It sure would be easier if other vendors put the ingredients on the labels. I give him credit for doing that.