question on 3 output voltages

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dreamerman

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i'm planning to build a battery box with 3 output voltages: 7.4v, 5v, v.v.

my question is, if these three output be used at the same time, would 4 x 18650 batteries handle this kind of usage? it's something like the 4 barrel by tek4 but with different output voltages.

btw, the batteries are wired parallel and then series.

thanks for the help.
 

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+1 on mv2envy comment - 2 x 18650 will give you more than enough capacity but why build fixed voltages if you are going to have a VV capability? Is it ease of changing voltage you are looking for? If that's the case then, if form factor is not an issue, a rotary switch of the required number of steps would be ideal - might make the whole thing a bit cumbersome though.
 

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the purpose of the battery box is not for single user, it is intended for multiple users that can supply different voltages for different user's voltage preferences. it's like a portable passthru voltage source. that's why i'm asking if the batteries can handle simultaneous usage of the different voltage outputs. i hope this will clear my question. thank you.
 

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Those are the best 18650's money can buy! But it only has a 6A max discharge. So 2 cells wont be enough. You will need to do a 2S2P setup for it to put out enough amps for all 4 users. Go with 2 IMR26650's. Trust me, it will be worth it.

If I use 2 IMR26650 in 2S1P setup... can you suggest a good PCM that would protect the battery from overdischarging current over 10A but will enable the battery to continuously discharge current at 10A and below.... thanks.
 

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how about callies kustom panasonic 18650?
Who the hell is Callie? :)

If you feel the need for 3100 Panasonics might as well go with a known and proven builder and A1 vendor.

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The owner also did his own testing of these 'best' Panasonics.

What is surprising to me, is the AW 2600mah actually outperforms the AW 2900mah (and the 3100mah so far) in it's ability to hold higher voltage under load (up to 2 tenths higher), making it better suited for higher drain situations. And even about 1/3 of the way through it's life, the AW 2600mAh even starts to outperform the AW IMR 18650. Though the 2900mAh and 3100mah have higher tested mah ratings then the 2600mAh, since your voltage will be down 2 tenths , you'll be replacing them sooner as your vapor will grow weaker quicker, negating the extra mah they provide.

Those comments were based on a 2.5A load test of various cells.
 

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this is the closest I have seen to 10 amp w 2 cells problem is at 9 amp continuous it will burn out the internal mosfets...the next up is a 20 amp for lipo packs...but hey the 20 amp has balancing...Just Kidding you need to do your homework not just slap some components together...also these companies will talk and answer questions over the phone...asking 10amp from a cylindrical lithium cell battery is a bit much...thats when you start getting into dangerous territory...Call batteryspace or All battery and then take that info from talking to them and do some reading at Battery university...

AND ABOVE ALL BE CAREFUL...asking for that kind of current from a battery is getting into Li po pack territory...

on the other hand you could change chemistry completely and go Lifepo packs the larger ones can handle much greater discharge rates and the good ones have built in protection circuitry...

the downside of battery packs is the need for a specialized hobby charger...

Hope that helps...:D
 
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So if you got a small deep cycle lead acid RV battery and mounted a good size project box on the back with a switched/fused + and - bus bars...come off the buses with 4x OKR 6 T's and output them through 2 household duplex outlets mounted in face of the box.

Then

Build 4 basic pt boxes complete with pots, meters, fire switches and an atty cons, each one with a 10ft 3 wire extension cord (pos/neg/trim) and voila the perfect group camping mod...plug your pt into a free outlet, adjust your voltage and vape away...sure, it'll weigh 45lbs but what the hell, not like walking around with it...
 
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If you're thinking in terms of something like a Hukka, as mentioned, you could use an SLA (sealed lead acid) battery for the part that sits on the table. They aren't terribly expensive and are much safer than any Li-Ion cell. The big disadvantage with SLA batts is the size and weight. Something like like this would do the job nicely. Chargers are inexpensive and readily available. Just use 4 switching regulators for people to control voltage at each station. You'd have to use a switching regulator over a linear regulator due to the fairly large drop in voltage you need.

If size is an issue, a stacked LiPo for hobby applications like this could power 4 atomizers for some time without hardly loading it. However, LiPos are the most volatile of all the Li-Ion types and you absolutely need to protect them from electrical shorts. A PTC fuse is an easy and reliable way to do that. You can charge it with a balancing charger in a safe area to mitigate the charging risks.

The problem with using LiCo cells like 18650s or 26650s is they have the lowest max drain and charge rate. Hence, they require the best protection. That's why a protection board is typically used with them. The Hobby LiPo I linked has a max drain of 100A. A PTC fuse or even a slo-blo fuse is perfectly adequate to protect one from shorts since those batteries can deliver quite a bit of current before any damage occurs. The same can be said pretty much for the IMR round cells which can also deliver a lot more current, but they do it at the cost of charge capacity.

You need to protect any battery you use from over-discharge. Even the SLA ones get damaged from that. Just add a simple voltmeter like the ones you get from MadVapes to monitor battery voltage. SLA batts are min 10.5V and Li-Ions are min 3.2V per cell (except the LiFePO4 ones which you wouldn't use for this).

Optionally, if it doesn't have to be portable, you could do a plug-in-the-wall setup with a high output 9V or 12V power supply. They are readily available. They're typically used for laptop computers. The one for my laptop puts out 200W. With a switching regulator at each station (doesn't waste power), you could provide each person with as much as 3A@6V (72W total) and it would still be well under the max output for the power adapter.

I'm sure there's other ways to go about doing what you want as well, but what I mentioned is what comes to mind right away.
 
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dreamerman

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Wow! Thank you all for the enormous inputs.... Now I am more confuse! :D Just kidding..

The battery box has to be portable. What do you think about this battery(INR 26650)? King Kong 26650 is HARDCORE! 4525mAh and it's first cycle only! | BudgetLightForum.com
base on their 10Amp test, they say it performs well. Reference: mitro's pile of battery graphs | BudgetLightForum.com

this is what I have in mind for the mean time.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/191607-easy-okr-t-vv-mod-25.html#post4961858
 
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