Question on wiring to the battery connector? or a bottom feeder?

[JuniorNA]

Hey guys, Just learning how to do some simple box mods, and I've finally completed a few...all of them had prewired "closed - no hole" battery connectors from MVapes....so I never really had to solder the wiring to the battery connector. I've kinda honed my skill on soldering a little bit so i'm more confident now...but can someone give me an idea, or picture of where I should be soldering the positive in the battery connector, but still leave enough room for a brass tube, syringe, or stainless steal tube to fit through the center? I'm trying to find out exactly where I need to solder the positive without closing up the hold in the batt. connector? Can i just solder it to the thread on the outside? or is that not close enough? Does it need to be inside of the rubber isolator? or can it be somewhere else?

ANy ideas would be helpful. I only saw 1 tutorial (*$8 juicebox) but he used brass and was able to solder the positive right to the brass, which I don't want to do since Brass was discussed a lot here on the forums as a possible bottom feed option.

Lets discuss!

Thanks.

 

[Java_Az]

It is a bit more tricky then one without a hole but you solder it next to the hole or on the outside of the hole. You just got to be careful not to fill the hole with solder. Might want to get a extra connector just in case.

For the tube if juice is going threw it i use hypodermic tubing like this. Amazon.com: Stainless Steel 304 Hypodermic Round Tubing, 16 Gauge, 0.0650" OD, 0.053" ID, 0.006" Wall, 60" Length: Industrial & Scientific

 

[WillyB]

You just got to be careful not to fill the hole with solder. Might want to get a extra connector just in case.

Pretty easy to clear the hole of solder bits with a 1/16" drill bit (by hand).

 

[Para]

When I'm making one of those I tin the wire, shape it into a circle, and solder it to the outside of the connector. Then insert a snug fitting needle to make sure the inside is nice and smooth.

 

[JuniorNA]

It is a bit more tricky then one without a hole but you solder it next to the hole or on the outside of the hole. You just got to be careful not to fill the hole with solder. Might want to get a extra connector just in case.

For the tube if juice is going threw it i use hypodermic tubing like this. Amazon.com: Stainless Steel 304 Hypodermic Round Tubing, 16 Gauge, 0.0650" OD, 0.053" ID, 0.006" Wall, 60" Length: Industrial & Scientific

Thanks Java! I don't think we can solder to stainless steel correct? So in a sense I'd have to attach that to a bottle and make it a gravity fed juice feeder? Like the PHideous? Hold it upside down and squeeze?

What do you guys think is the best way to make a home grown juice feeder, it can be ugly and it doesnt have to be perfect, but I just want to try to make my own and see how it looks.

 

[Java_Az]

You really want to solder it like parallex did in his picture. Thats the best way to do it for conductivity reasons along with soldering.
I havent seen a juice feeder that i like besides using a pump. But the electric pumps are not cheap and take up space. I am working on a design for one thats a bit different. Going to have to make a few parts and order some to try it out. If it works out you i should be posting it in the next month or so.

 

[JuniorNA]

When I'm making one of those I tin the wire, shape it into a circle, and solder it to the outside of the connector. Then insert a snug fitting needle to make sure the inside is nice and smooth.

parallex, is that the inside of the the connector, or is that the entire connector ? Is that a picture of the ground? or power? i can't tell what that is from the picture. Is that the inner piece of the battery connector? or the actual connector itself?

 

[Para]

Inner piece....the positive part of the battery connector. The wire comes from the left and wraps itself around the positive section...and soldered onto it

 

[capecodjim]

Thanks Java! I don't think we can solder to stainless steel correct? So in a sense I'd have to attach that to a bottle and make it a gravity fed juice feeder? Like the PHideous? Hold it upside down and squeeze?

What do you guys think is the best way to make a home grown juice feeder, it can be ugly and it doesnt have to be perfect, but I just want to try to make my own and see how it looks.

My mini pump mod is perfect for my vaping needs. I was gonna do a bottom feed and kinda stumbled upon this and it worked great so I stuck with it..... There's a link to details in my sig!

 

[Java_Az]

My mini pump mod is perfect for my vaping needs. I was gonna do a bottom feed and kinda stumbled upon this and it worked great so I stuck with it..... There's a link to details in my sig!

Nice voltage read out you got going on there. Wonder what you been vaping

 

[JuniorNA]

He's vaping "throat hit cuban"... ... for short.

Sent from my HTC Droid Incredible

 

[Drozd]

I dont have any pictures I took in progress...

but what I did is:
screwed an old atty onto my connector (to use as a heat sink)...
then put an 18 gague needle into the hole to get the depth right (and atty serves putpose 2)
pre-solder wire and make a ring of it that fits around the needle..
slide ring down needle and against connector...
solder wire and needle to connector at hole...

so it makes the connection, seals the rest of the hole after the needle is in place, and gives you a bit more area to work with..
I use a needle longer than what I need...and then cut off the needle and the needle to syringe connector to length with a dremel cut off wheel...
then use some 18 gauge ID teflon tube over the needle and heat shrink tube the teflon tube to needle connection...

 

[JuniorNA]

OK so what did you use to bond the needle to the hole to stop leakage? You can't solder to the needle right? So you soldered below it to seal it or did you use Putty around the needle and connector? Am I totally off?

Sent from my HTC Droid Incredible

 

[Drozd]

OK so what did you use to bond the needle to the hole to stop leakage? You can't solder to the needle right? So you soldered below it to seal it or did you use Putty around the needle and connector? Am I totally off?

Sent from my HTC Droid Incredible

it doesnt technically bond to the needle at least I think not...

but being that the wire is wrapped tight around the needle and is up right against the connector...the solder on the wire and the connector kinda get in it all and pretty much kinda makes a pressure fitting of sorts...

that and afterward that part of my enclosure gets flooded with a 2 part epoxy resin and seals all the conections (the feed tube of course is routed out of the acrylic... it's kinda a PITA to work with but the end result is that the wires connections and connector end up sealed in a solid block of clear epoxy and isolated from each other..

in other words...even if it were leaky...there's no where for it to leak to...

 

[capecodjim]

Nice voltage read out you got going on there. Wonder what you been vaping

It was purely coincidental!!

He's vaping "throat hit cuban"... ... for short.

More like "that homebrew creation" ....

 

[capecodjim]

Thanks Java! I don't think we can solder to stainless steel correct? So in a sense I'd have to attach that to a bottle and make it a gravity fed juice feeder? Like the PHideous? Hold it upside down and squeeze?

What do you guys think is the best way to make a home grown juice feeder, it can be ugly and it doesnt have to be perfect, but I just want to try to make my own and see how it looks.

Do you have and pics of your progress? I've wanted to make a bottom feed also but haven't yet and have been wondering about the same issues. I don't want to have to tip to feed or worry about leaks if it's on its side.

 

[WillyB]

... I don't want to have to tip to feed or worry about leaks if it's on its side.

I built a no down tube ....-feeder and love it. Nearly impossible to flood and no watching for, or having liquid come out of the connector notches. Two big problems with the WetBox is liquid leaking from the connector eventually getting to the switch, and of course internal leakage into the box.

When you tilt and press gravity takes the liquid where it should be, not pooled at the bottom of the atty at the connector. And a short tube works just as well for cartos, and for standard cartos the entire wire gets a good soaking.

And if held level, just a slight elevation of the rear re-feeds it as you vape, no press needed.

Folks always talk like tilting is some disadvantage, far from it actually.

 

[JuniorNA]

Do you have and pics of your progress? I've wanted to make a bottom feed also but haven't yet and have been wondering about the same issues. I don't want to have to tip to feed or worry about leaks if it's on its side.

so far all i've done is gutted the box (it's about the size of a pack of analogs) and I'm going to use a design "like" the wetbox, with a 3ml bottle and needle feeding up, but it will be sealed off so no leaking.

And like willyB said, there is NO problem in having to tilt. We tilt everything we touch, when we drink beer, soda, water, even when we light an analog, we're always at an angle...so tilting a PV shouldnt be an issue at all. Well at least not to me. I'm looking to make a tilt drip, so I'll basically hold the entire box on a tilt, or upside down for a few seconds to soak the atty coil and then turn it right-side-up again. what i've learned from bottom fed, is that it is harder to feed that liquid upward because of gravity, and like willyb said also, you get leakage back into the box.

 

[JuniorNA]

Here is a rough schematic i just made..I didnt solder anything or epoxy anything. Just testing size and fittings. I'm going to do a "wetbox" type of feed, but it will be closed off and most likely feed like the phideous.

Here is the early stage. Test state 1