Question regarding my University, and their "Tobacco Free Policy"

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Mitch Kassner

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As a lot of us here have recently made the transition from smoking cigarettes to vaping.. I have a question surrounding my schools tobacco free campus policy.

This is a cut/paste of the entire policy:

"The University of Montana provides a safe and healthy environment for its employees, students, and visitors. In light of the U.S. Surgeon General's findings that exposure to secondhand tobacco smoke and use of tobacco causes significant health hazards, the University of Montana is a tobacco-free environment.

Subject to the exceptions listed below, the University of Montana prohibits tobacco use in or on property that is owned, leased, or used for specific events by the University or any of its components. For the purpose of this policy, “tobacco” includes any tobacco product that is present in a lighted or unlighted cigarette, cigar, pipe, bidi, clove cigarette, smokeless or spit tobacco, dissolvable tobacco, hookah shisha, snuff or snus, kretek, or cigarillo. The University of Montana also prohibits the free distribution or sale of tobacco products in or on property owned, leased, or used for specific events by the University or any of its components, and will not solicit or accept any funding, grant, gift, or sponsorship from a manufacturer or distributor of tobacco products.

This policy follows recommendations from college campuses outlined by the American Cancer Society.

COMPLIANCE

All University of Montana employees, students, visitors, guests, and contractors are required to comply with this policy, which remains in effect at all times. Students who do not comply with this policy may be referred for disciplinary action under the University of Montana Student Conduct Code. Refusal to comply by faculty and staff may be cause for disciplinary action in accordance with employee policies. Visitors, guests, and contractors who do not comply with this policy will be asked to leave campus.

EXCEPTIONS

The following activities may occur as exceptions to the policy, subject to approval in advance and as indicated.

Research/Instruction and Artistic Purposes

The use of tobacco products on University property for laboratory or classroom instruction, research experiments, or for artistic purposes may be allowed but must be reviewed in advance by the UM Tobacco Task Force or their designee. The Tobacco Task Force will provide a recommendation of approval or disapproval to the applicable University of Montana Vice President, who will make the final decision.

Ceremonial Use Exception

Ceremonial use of tobacco in or on property owned, leased, or used for specific events by the University must be approved in advance by the Director of American Indian Student Services (see UM Policy 201.5 Smudging/Pipe Ceremonies)."

Any input is gladly accepted!

Thanks ahead of time!
 
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Mitch Kassner

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That is basically the conclusion I arrived at as well. I have noticed a handful of kids vaping while walking between classes and such over the last couple semesters. The vaping culture is growing rapidly up here, and as a recent ex-smoker I would like to know what grounds I have to stand on should I be confronted by campus police and such. Even when I did smoke, I was respectful and would find a quiet corner, and will likely continue doing so. We'll see what comes in the future tho!
 

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That is basically the conclusion I arrived at as well. I have noticed a handful of kids vaping while walking between classes and such over the last couple semesters. The vaping culture is growing rapidly up here, and as a recent ex-smoker I would like to know what grounds I have to stand on should I be confronted by campus police and such. Even when I did smoke, I was respectful and would find a quiet corner, and will likely continue doing so. We'll see what comes in the future tho!

It's interesting that they do not mention e-cigarettes. My two kids are presently attending UC schools and vaping is included in the ban. But I see kids walking around and vaping everywhere. :facepalm:

Good luck!
 

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In the UK smoking indoors is illegal. But people vape in offices, cafes, library, etc.

They are working on legislation to make vaping indoors illegal too.

My point is vaping is in all legal senses different from smoking. Smoking is a chemical reaction that creates 'smoke'. Vaping does not actually create and smoke.

Most people just think of it as the same thing, but actually it is quite different. I vape all the time in my dorm where smoking is not allowed. I keep it on the down-low but so far my roomates and dorm officers have not detected any smell or anything.
 

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I didn't read that as prohibiting vapes. But I'm sure it's merely an oversight they'll fix as soon as the Campus Nazis and those with nothing better to do than mind other people's business for them notice they've left a loophole. Really, one is minded of TH White: "everything not forbidden is compulsory." Thank God I'm past my university days; the state of our schools in these decadent times is sickening. But rant off; you might want to look at some stealth gear. A higher PG percentage makes less cloud. Holding the hit a few seconds also makes it less visible. You're unlikely to get in much trouble until somebody complains. Somebody will, of course; they live for making other people do things. "Giant moments in tiny minds," I call it. Try to avoid them (sigh.)
 

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My guess is that someone eventually will complain and they will include ecigs in their policy. My workplace banned ecigs just like regular cigs. Have to be off the property to use them. Although several of us stealth vape in private one person rest rooms with no issues. These policies suck, but we must abide by them...sort of ;)
 
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My guess is that someone eventually will complain and they will include ecigs in their policy. My workplace banned ecigs just like regular cigs. Have to be off the property to use them. Although several of us stealth vape in private one person rest rooms with no issues. These policies suck, but we must abide by them...sort of ;)
Yeah, sort of :)
 
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It does not specifically mention anything about vaping so I would go ahead and vape until asked to do otherwise. You don't have any specific "grounds" as a defense, however, the lack of mention in the policy pretty much limits any action they may try to take against you. All they can do until/if the policy is rewritten is to ask you to stop.

Fortunately the university I teach at has stated that vaping is fine on campus, outdoors of course. Then again, the VA attorney general made a statement that vaping does not break any of VA's no smoking laws. I'm even allowed to vape in my office but not in common areas such as hallways, printing room, etc.

Don't go stealth! That only makes it look like you have something to hide!
 

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well you have a choice... 0 nic juice ( no "tobacco" products involved)... or take what they stated as how they stated it... no tobacco. Vaping has "no tobacco" in it but everything else they listed contains tobacco ( some portion that can be identified as a leafy substance)... just keep your vaping in stealth mode, dont attract attention for if you do they will include vaping in the "not to do" list ... hopefully they are thinking correctly and intentionally left out vaping to sway the smokers into vaping ( not likely tho)....
 

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In light of the U.S. Surgeon General's findings that exposure to secondhand tobacco smoke and use of tobacco causes significant health hazards, the University of Montana is a tobacco-free environment.

I'd dispute this portion of the policy as it is the justification for all that follows. I'd be grilling them on this and here and there tossing in reasonable inquiries how they can make exceptions if there is such a significant hazard. I wouldn't let up on this grilling and would keep probing it from different angles, and to different people.

Eventually, I'd sit back and watch their house of cards fall. In the meantime, I'd be entirely curious how they can plausibly argue this applies to exhaled vapor. I'd enjoy watching them squirm on this issue.
 

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That is basically the conclusion I arrived at as well. I have noticed a handful of kids vaping while walking between classes and such over the last couple semesters. The vaping culture is growing rapidly up here, and as a recent ex-smoker I would like to know what grounds I have to stand on should I be confronted by campus police and such. Even when I did smoke, I was respectful and would find a quiet corner, and will likely continue doing so. We'll see what comes in the future tho!

I have worked on a Few Campuses both Before and After an e-Cigarette policy was in place.

My experience has been that in general, Campus Police do not really want to be Involved in active pursuing Vapers who are Vaping discretely in Outdoor Spaces. And would much rather patrol the Parking Lots looking for people breaking into a car, or opening a Classroom Door for an Instructor who has forgotten their Key.

As long as you are not being Blatant or causing a some kind of Scene, I think you shouldn't have too many problems Vaping in Outdoor Places.

Where I saw the Problems, and what Forced the Hand of the Chancellor's Office in formulating a Ban Policy on one campus, was when some Vapers would not Stop Vaing in indoor places. And a Few Individuals became Militant about "they had a Right to Vape" in Classroom, Libraries and in common Indoor areas like the Cafeteria.

If you are in an Outdoor Space and are just minding your own business taking some hits off an e-Cigarette, I Don't Think you will have many Problems.
 
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