Questions on cotton bedding and cotton thru coils

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uploadfromtaptalk1410247699778.jpgHey guys,new to the vape scene here.
Currently using tobh atty,dual coil,26gauge with 13wraps cotton bedding.

How much cotton is too much cotton for the cotton bedding?parts of my cotton bedding looks quite fried.

Whats are the differences between cotton bedding and thru coils?
 

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I don't have ohm meter for now :(
My battery I'm using is efest 18650 3400mah 3.7v 10amps.I got this built online.

But I now just changed my build.
26awg 8wraps dual coil around 14gauge . ohms .9(got this build/ohm reading from from a thread) using ths same efest battery 3400mah 10amps,cotton thru coils.I'm getting a few dry hits.is something wrong?and my main concern is it a suitable built for my battery?btw my battery is button top[emoji4] uploadfromtaptalk1410252455149.jpg
 
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I don't have ohm meter for now :(
That is stupid. Dangerous. Irresponsible. Not adviseable. If you don't have a means to measure your coils you have no business making coils.
My battery I'm using is efest 18650 3400mah 3.7v 10amps.
:danger: If that battery is this one, Efest 18650 3400 mah battery, that is the WRONG BATTERY to use!! That's a protected ICR Li-ion battery, which became obsolete for mod use. There's no way it has 10 amps continuous discharge rating. More like 2 or 3. Using this battery in the application that you are using it is extremely dangerous.

Use only an IMR or IMR/hybrid battery for all mods. Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or protected ICR?

But I now just changed my build.
26awg 8wraps dual coil around 14gauge . ohms .9(got this build/ohm reading from from a thread) using ths same efest battery 3400mah 10amps,cotton thru coils.I'm getting a few dry hits.is something wrong?and my main concern is it a suitable built for my battery?btw my battery is button top[emoji4] View attachment 372438
Number one, that battery is inappropriate for ANY BUILD you make; it is inappropriate to use in a mod. It is the wrong chemistry battery. Period.

Stop playing around with coil rebuilding until you have purchased an ohm reader. You can't rely on someone else's calculations or even a coil calculator to give you a reliable ohm rating. All coils must be measured on an ohm reader before they are fired on a mod.

You obviously have done no research on rebuildable atomizers, at least not from a battery safety standpoint or on Ohm's Law. You are doing everything wrong here, and if you continue you will blow up your battery and your mod as it will become a pipe bomb.

Information Resources for Your First RBA

Explain It To The Dumb Noob: Ohm's Law Calculations
 
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That is stupid. Dangerous. Irresponsible. Not adviseable. If you don't have a means to measure your coils you have no business making coils.
:danger: If that battery is this one, Efest 18650 3400 mah battery, that is the WRONG BATTERY to use!! That's a protected ICR Li-ion battery, which became obsolete for mod use. There's no way it has 10 amps continuous discharge rating. More like 2 or 3. Using this battery in the application that you are using it is extremely dangerous.

Use only an IMR or IMR/hybrid battery for all mods. Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or protected ICR?

But I now just changed my build.
26awg 8wraps dual coil around 14gauge . ohms .9(got this build/ohm reading from from a thread) using ths same efest battery 3400mah 10amps,cotton thru coils.I'm getting a few dry hits.is something wrong?and my main concern is it a suitable built for my battery?btw my battery is button top[emoji4] View attachment 372438[/QUOTE]Number one, that battery is inappropriate for ANY BUILD you make; it is inappropriate to use in a mod. Period.[/QUOTE]
thank a lot mate,coz my shop vendor said it was ok[emoji27] shall get those aw or panasonic batteries from now,not to forget a multimeter asap[emoji41]
 

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That is stupid. Dangerous. Irresponsible. Not adviseable. If you don't have a means to measure your coils you have no business making coils.
:danger: If that battery is this one, Efest 18650 3400 mah battery, that is the WRONG BATTERY to use!! That's a protected ICR Li-ion battery, which became obsolete for mod use. There's no way it has 10 amps continuous discharge rating. More like 2 or 3. Using this battery in the application that you are using it is extremely dangerous.

Use only an IMR or IMR/hybrid battery for all mods. Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or protected ICR?

Number one, that battery is inappropriate for ANY BUILD you make; it is inappropriate to use in a mod. It is the wrong chemistry battery. Period.

Stop playing around with coil rebuilding until you have purchased an ohm reader. You can't rely on someone else's calculations or even a coil calculator to give you a reliable ohm rating. All coils must be measured on an ohm reader before they are fired on a mod.

You obviously have done no research on rebuildable atomizers, at least not from a battery safety standpoint or on Ohm's Law. You are doing everything wrong here, and if you continue you will blow up your battery and your mod as it will become a pipe bomb.
Btw mate,I do have a sigelei 18650 1400mah.u know the amps for these guys?whats the safe ohm to vape with these?
 

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thank a lot mate,coz my shop vendor said it was ok[emoji27] shall get those aw or panasonic batteries from now,not to forget a multimeter asap[emoji41]
No. It's not all that simple. Some batteries are 10 amp, some are 20 amp, some are 30 amp. Some coil builds require a certain "amp" battery. You match your coil builds (ohms) to the amp rating of your battery, or you match your battery to the coil builds you plan to make.

If you are going to be doing sub-ohm coils (and you're obviously not ready for that yet based on your current knowledge level), you need a 30 amp battery.

Read the two previous links I gave you. Read them until you thoroughly understand them.

Your shop vendor obviously doesn't know what he talking about. I'd find someone more knowledgeable to get my advice from than him.
 
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I would refer back to your other thread and my most recent post...
quick questions on tobh atty
If your batteries are button tops, then they are the protected ICR version of the 3400mAh batteries, and those batteries are not safe for vaping...
That being said, I am not comfortable giving any advice on how to build a safe build with 26g wire considering that you have no means of measuring the resistance.
My recommendation is this:
Get rid of those batteries and replace them with a more suitable battery. Recommend Sony VTC4 or VTC5
Get an ohm meter/volt meter
Do some research here on how to build safely
Do a LOT of research on battery safety
Put your mech mod back in a drawer and use a regulated mod until you have completed the above steps.
Above all, be safe!!

Go to this link and read through ALL of Baditudes blog posts.
Bad's Blog

To answer your last question of "Whats the safe ohm to vape with these?", I would say... what difference does it make... you have no way of measuring your resistance.... :facepalm:
 
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Btw mate,I do have a sigelei 18650 1400mah.u know the amps for these guys?whats the safe ohm to vape with these?
I never heard of this battery before. Unless you know the amp rating of a battery, consider it unworthy for an RBA.

You can't use a battery for rebuildable atomizers if you don't know its amp rating (maximum continuous discharge rating). Just like you can not use a coil that you don't know the ohm rating.
 
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well fist off your cotton looks good, and should do well, discolor is part of the natural order of things, and wicking is all a matter of playing with it till it vapes right. How's it vape.

Okay, enough of the nice stuff, um

WHAT THE FRAK ARE YOU THINKING???

Just a close guess, you are around the 0.5-0.6 ohm range, and are demanding about 8 amps from your battery. Umm did you start driving and shooting before learning how first? Just saying. Time to hit the books, and get friendly with your search engine.
 

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To answer your last question of "Whats the safe ohm to vape with these?", I would say... what difference does it make... you have no way of measuring your resistance.... :facepalm:

Spot no, bad cat, bad cat. Damn Spot just stole a piece of pizza, she like pizza. Damn it Kae, you made me spit up over everything:D

Frak, okay Spot, but only one bite. damn, multitasking, yeah, if she don't blow you may be okay, as long as the batt don't get warm it may not blow up, SPONTINEITY!!! PUT THAT DOWN NOW.!!!

damn cat. where was I.

Oh, yeah, hey mate, all the info is out there, on this forum as a matter of fact, do yourself and everyone you care for, the courtesy of researching everything first. A person going into the world of mechs should already know this stuff before assembling a shopping list, let alone doing the first build.

And a question asked should be more of the nature, hey, I have Sony VTC5's, but noticed they are hard to find now, what's the latest 30 amp continuous batts out now?? Heard about Imren, they are looking pretty good, and those 40 amp Vamps have caught my eye too, anyone have Experience with those???

and seriously, I would like a real answer to that above question, cause personally, it sounds like a good one that I don't currently have a full answer to, yet. :D

Vape long and Prosper.!!!!
 

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Spot no, bad cat, bad cat. Damn Spot just stole a piece of pizza, she like pizza. Damn it Kae, you made me spit up over everything:D

Frak, okay Spot, but only one bite. damn, multitasking, yeah, if she don't blow you may be okay, as long as the batt don't get warm it may not blow up, SPONTINEITY!!! PUT THAT DOWN NOW.!!!

damn cat. where was I.

Oh, yeah, hey mate, all the info is out there, on this forum as a matter of fact, do yourself and everyone you care for, the courtesy of researching everything first. A person going into the world of mechs should already know this stuff before assembling a shopping list, let alone doing the first build.

And a question asked should be more of the nature, hey, I have Sony VTC5's, but noticed they are hard to find now, what's the latest 30 amp continuous batts out now?? Heard about Imren, they are looking pretty good, and those 40 amp Vamps have caught my eye too, anyone have Experience with those???

and seriously, I would like a real answer to that above question, cause personally, it sounds like a good one that I don't currently have a full answer to, yet. :D

Vape long and Prosper.!!!!

LMFAO!! Sorry, Dice... I have a tendency to state the obvious sometimes... :D

As for those 40 amp Vamps... now I'm curious and will have to look into those... I actually managed to grab the last 2 VTC4s at my local B&M, but I'm needing some new batts and VTC5s are becoming extinct it seems. A 40 amper would be right up my alley with some of my build desires...... so if ya hear anything positive about 'em, let a brother know, okay? ;)
 

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Yeah, was looking for some in anticipation of the 100 watt Raptor arriving, but have some lg's and purple's I can yank out of the Hana clone:D

Yeah, if not in great need, once Sony's New plant in the Philippines gets up to full steam, will see the marker of VTC5's or better, once again on the market. Damn it Spot, get off my tummy.

Fraking Savannah's are to smart for their own good. Had to change all the door knobs from levers to round, and child proof all the drawers and cupboards. Both Savannahs can open any drawer or cupboard, and any door with a lever door knob has to be locked if you don't want them opening doors, and going into a non cat proof room. She knows standing like that hurts, and is demanding cuddle and loving time. Trying to tell me to lay down, it's bed time:D But I love them dearly.

Yeah, where was I,? oh yeah, Sony had to move their manufacturing Plant a year ago, or something like that, because they were to close to that Nuclear power plant accident, talk about amp limits, frak me, I'd move pronto to, that's some serious bad vape current over run.:lol: anywho, they moved you see, which created the shortage of batts no meant for the public in the first place, and the huge counterfeit Sony problem. But should be back in the pipe line soon, hopefully.

Although both the Imren and Vamp's look nice, higher amps but only like 1600 mah's at that level, but if not demanding all, will still last a good long vape. I have the Imren 26650's and the test's I saw put them averaging between 42-45 amps continuous with a 60 amp pulse, and bought 4 of them when they were on an introductory sale, for $19 a 2 pack, now listed at $38 for the same 2 pack. Have been running them a month, and must say, are my fave 26650 batt. Great amp output, and sustainable endurance, vastly out performing both the MNKE and Sony 26650's. Least that's my take on them.

Only thing I heard about the Vamps, which I saw on 101Vape, is that a friend of mine tried it, and vented one but then he is pretty talented about that, he's a smart kid and all, but one of those dangerous types when fraked with, more dangerous because he don't look it, till it's way to late in the game to escape, and dangerous because he won't listen to what I tell him, and hadn't bothered to get an ohm meter. :D:evi:
 

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LOL... I've got a Ragamuffin and a Siberian/Ragamuffin cross... they are almost just like dogs in personality, and can be VERY demanding when it comes to attention or food... I feel your pain! :D It's a good kinda pain though...

I've heard about the plant relocation... just wish they'd hurry up already!! Definitely gonna look into the Vamps...

For 26650, I just ordered 2 of the KeepPower 50A (see my blog post for specs and link)
I'm hoping they will be pretty much everything the VTC5s are (except for the 26650 form factor). I've got a Youde Gladiator mod in 26650 form on it's way to me, and we'll see how it handles the 28.5mm Tobh. I have yet to vent a battery, and with the milli-ohm meter that I have on the way, I hope to be able to drop my ohms and yet keep my track record... I'd hate to frak up a perfectly good, brand new mod ;)
I probably should look into the Imrens though. If you're having good luck with them, then I'm sure they'd work well for me too... if I remember correctly, you drop pretty sub-ohm yourself....
 
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