Questions: VV Reo Grand , RBA's, and Wooden Grands...

[MrSmith99]

Proud owner of regular black/black Reo Grand for over a year.
I got 3 questions:

1. Been thinking about the VV Reo Grand. Is the vapor production that much better? I'm just using regular 510 atty in a regular Grand and get pretty good hits till the atty fries (Current atty 3 months and still ticking). But if the VV produces a lot more vapor then that is a consideration....Not sure I need it but it would be great. I didn't see a screen on it so how do you know what volts your at?

2. I see on the Reo website there is a bottom fed rba (re-buildable atomizer). I know how to use a volt meter and I'm very interested in this. Would this work on a regular Reo Grand (non-VV ?). Do you find it is better than a fresh/working 510 atty? Is it a must have?

3. Question for you wooden Reo owners...My Reo Grand is black/black metal and I have worn off the paint over this last year due to handling it so much (Like a death grip! LOL) You can see my hand and finger placement on the body. I don't mind the battle scars on my metal Reo but I am afraid that a wooden Reo wouldn't hold up to my abuse. Do you find you have worn areas on your wooden Reo's? Has anyone actually worn the wood down and caused lower areas? (Seriously, I have worn off the anodized paint on the metal one and I'm kinda scared I may just tear up a wooden Grand.)

Thanks for any replies!

 

[Rhapsodies Fire]

Proud owner of regular black/black Reo Grand for over a year.
I got 3 questions:

1. Been thinking about the VV Reo Grand. Is the vapor production that much better? I'm just using regular 510 atty in a regular Grand and get pretty good hits till the atty fries (Current atty 3 months and still ticking). But if the VV produces a lot more vapor then that is a consideration....Not sure I need it but it would be great. I didn't see a screen on it so how do you know what volts your at?

2. I see on the Reo website there is a bottom fed rba (re-buildable atomizer). I know how to use a volt meter and I'm very interested in this. Would this work on a regular Reo Grand (non-VV ?). Do you find it is better than a fresh/working 510 atty? Is it a must have?

3. Question for you wooden Reo owners...My Reo Grand is black/black metal and I have worn off the paint over this last year due to handling it so much (Like a death grip! LOL) You can see my hand and finger placement on the body. I don't mind the battle scars on my metal Reo but I am afraid that a wooden Reo wouldn't hold up to my abuse. Do you find you have worn areas on your wooden Reo's? Has anyone actually worn the wood down and caused lower areas? (Seriously, I have worn off the anodized paint on the metal one and I'm kinda scared I may just tear up a wooden Grand.)

Thanks for any replies!

Hi Mr Smith
I'm not sure the VV makes more vapor per se....it just makes it easier to fine tune your vape..in my opinion. I've always gotten great vapor out of all my Reos. There is no screen. You can use a voltage indicator like this: 510 Voltage Indicator Rev 2 to get find certain points and mark them on your wheel. Or if it doesn't matter to you, then just dial to taste like I do. I couldn't tell anyone what voltage I'm vaping at if it would save my life.

Yes, the RBA works on the Grand. I don't have a Grand, but I have moved completely to rebuildables on my Mini 2.0s, VV Woodvils and my VV Grands. So in my opinion, yes it is better...especially because you change change the coil at will. If you don't think your 3.7s are cuttin it with your 1.8Ω atties, then build yourself a 1.4Ω coil, slap it on your rebuildable and enjoy simulated high voltage vaping. Just that easy. I could be wrong, but I bet most folks who have switched to rebuildables will agree.

I don't know....I've been pretty hard on my woodvils. I have naturally oily skin, and I'm not afraid to get dirty...and naturally, I love to spread the love. I haven't had any issues worse than needing to clean my grime of the surface of the mod every now and then....warm damp washcloth, then finish with Howards. I'm sure there will be other opinions on the matter, if not tonight, in the morning.

 

[colt45]

hi mrsmith,
as far as vapor goes the VVgrand is not really that much more but when you add a rebuildable atty it is worlds more vapor and flavor.
as to what voltage on the VVG it really dont matter, you just put on the atty of choice and turn the voltage up or down till it tastes good.
the big advantage to the VVG is it has short circuit protection for the RBA. when i got my first RBA i had several shorts while learning to make a proper coil, and that can melt the spring in your grand so your'out of vape. the RBA will work great on a grand theres just no short protection. as to the wood reos. i have multiple metal grands and VVGs and have had wood reos but i am paranoid about damaging the wood so i sold all my wooden mods. i just could not see having mods i was afraid to take out of the house

 

[lazyymatt]

Hey Mr. Smith!

I can't answer your first and last question because I too only have a regular Grand... But the answer your 2nd question, BUY THE REOMIZER ASAP! You will save tons of money by building your own coils.

I didn't use atomizers for too long because I was definitely persuaded by a lot of people to buy the RBA and it is awesome. Check out the Reomizer thread and you will have ALL the answers to your questions about building coils. You can buy the voltage meter at RTD Vapor and even all the wick and resistance wires. It is becoming my new hobby and experimenting with the different ohms is fun and once you get the hang of making coils it is extremely simple. I meter out my coils to around 1.40-1.5 ohms and they have been vaping very nicely on my Grand. One set of coil and wick probably won't last you 3 months BUT I have built around 10 different coils since I first got the RBA and I can say that it is MUCH cheaper than buying stock HH or Cisco atomizers. PM me if you have any questions about the Reomizer and I would be more than happy to pass down all the wisdom I have learned from the veterans here on the forums.

 

[Della Cirque]

What I love about the VV is the last vape is as strong and good as the first vape and I can tune in to exactly what each juice needs.

The RBA produces more flavor and vapor than any atty or carto I've tried. Even changed my draw habit, because I was getting too much vapor.

I've been a little rough on a couple of Woodvils, my Cocobolo has held up very well and my (ex) Ebony was a tank! That said, I am loving my fairly new polished VV Grand and it is now my workhorse, when it gets too scratched up I'll polish it up again.

 

[unsure]

The only issue I ever had with a Woodvil was the original Nebula like the one in my avatar. I tought I'd try to apply a gloss coat I read about on a website which ended up ruining the finish. Obvious lesson learned.....don't try to improve on the Rob's genius!!

 

[TennDave]

I agree with every one else here- get the RBA on Rob site... AKA Reomizer!! It's as good as the more expensive ones and will make your Grand or VV Reo vape like a locomotive!! It is cheaper in the long run too!!!

 

[MrSmith99]

OK, I'm going to get the Reomizer. On the web site it says "bottom fed rebuildable Atomizer " for $38.00.

What are the other/extra parts I need:
2.5 mm silica wick 3 ft
3 mm silica wick 3 ft
Kanthal A1 resistance wire 28 gauge 3 ft
Kanthal A1 resistance wire 30 gauge 3 ft
Kanthal A1 resistance wire 32 gauge 3 ft
Kanthal A1 resistance wire 33 gauge 3 ft
o ring bottom fed rba
1-hex key 2 set screws bottom fed rba

I'd like to get enough to last 6 months or more...Hope it comes with some kind of manual, heh.

 

[lazyymatt]

You should definitely check out the Reomizer thread it has most of the answers you are looking for...

You definitely do not need to get all the different gauge wires. I think going with either the 30 or 32 is what the majority uses. You should just buy just one of each and experiment with what you like the best and THEN order more in bulk through RTD Vapors. They sell 100 ft. of the wire and 10 ft of the wicks. Make sure you pick up a volt meter too, that way you can see what ohm coils you are running. There aren't any manuals, but Rob put up some helpful videos on coil making. He doesn't use a toothpick or anything to wrap his coils, instead he just wraps the coil around the wick from the beginning. He seems really skilled at it and I still need something to wrap the coil in order to make it perfect. PM me if you need anymore help and I'll try to take step by step pictures of how I wrap my coils.

I personally use the 30 gauge wires and wrap around 4-5 times to get around 1.4-1.5 ohms. This is the ideal spot for the Reo Grand, for the VV I see most people use the 32 and wrap at least 5-6 to get over 2 ohms.

Have you decided on which Grand you are going to get?

OK, I'm going to get the Reomizer. On the web site it says "bottom fed rebuildable Atomizer " for $38.00.

What are the other/extra parts I need:
2.5 mm silica wick 3 ft
3 mm silica wick 3 ft
Kanthal A1 resistance wire 28 gauge 3 ft
Kanthal A1 resistance wire 30 gauge 3 ft
Kanthal A1 resistance wire 32 gauge 3 ft
Kanthal A1 resistance wire 33 gauge 3 ft
o ring bottom fed rba
1-hex key 2 set screws bottom fed rba

I'd like to get enough to last 6 months or more...Hope it comes with some kind of manual, heh.

 

[juicejunky]

1) Not a huge difference in vaper with the same atty on the Grand vs VV Grand at the perfect voltage, the difference is that with the VV Grand it is always the perfect voltage. With the Grand I used 1.5s and it was too hot at 4.2, perfect at 4.1 down to 3.8, then it was too weak. No longer a problem with the VV Grand, every vape is probably a 4.0. I don't pay attention to voltage per se, I dial until it tastes right and leave it there. Other advantages are: You also can push a dirty atty much further by turning up the voltage. Less cleaning and frustration. Disadvantage: Taller and tippier, you can no longer get the entire thing wet. Two batteries vs one.

2) RBA is fantastic. I can whip up a new coil, wick it, and install in about 2 minutes. I pay no attention to resistance, stick it on the VV and adjust the voltage accordingly. With a Grand you'd have to be more careful with your coil building, You don't have to use silica wick-cheap 100% cotton embroidery thread from Michael's, cotton gauze, etc. work well too. Cost so little to replace a coil and wick you'll never clean another atty again. Faster to just make a new one. I've gone back to vaping some of my old favorite juices that were atty killers. Way more vaper than a standard 510 atty.

3) I have an ebony mini but I haven't used it enough to know if it could take serious abuse. Then again I used my black Grand and mini for 19 months and they still look fine except for the corners where I dropped them. My hands are fairly dry.

 

[MrSmith99]

Have you decided on which Grand you are going to get?

I haven't decided yet. I have a regular Reo Grand. So I'm thinking about the VV Woodvil (So beautiful) or VV Grand (So sturdy). I may choose neither and just pick up a VV Blemished (LOL, which ever is on sale in the blemished category, probably a VV Grand.) But the Reo Mini's keep taunting me also. Damn those Mini's!

Actually, I just had to buy a motorcycle battery for my Ninja so I'll order the Reomizer today and hold off a few weeks to get the VV. But it is my next PV. I have recently become very interested in the VV's. I think it is the way to go and (Reason #537 to get a second mod) I need a good backup.

You should definitely check out the Reomizer thread it has most of the answers you are looking for...

Yes, umm, I saw that. In fact I see several Reomizer threads with anywhere from 300-500 replies. I'm thinking most of us just need a couple paragraphs tops to get up and running. It is ashamed to have to dig so deep for just a few scraps of information. I'll watch the video and see if that helps. If not I'm sure some other brand has a one page manual posted online somewhere. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a RBA wiki out there also

 

[juicejunky]

This sticky has two great charts, 1st post and 52nd to help with wire selection and ohms.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ance-wire-kanthal-nichrome-2.html#post7264406


My simple atty coil steps are:

1: Cut 2.5 inches of wire. Wrap 4-7 times around shaft of 1.4mm mini screw driver (2.0mm works well too if you have thicker wicks) leaving 1/2 to 3/4 inch wire tails facing the same direction. Hold coil with needlenose pliers and burn to red a few times with a lighter.

2). Cut 2 inches of wire to make a wick needle. Fold wire in half over wick (Size 5 100% cotton DMC embroidery thread bought at Michael's and boiled by me for $2 or so) and twist the wire a bit. Pull needle and wick through center of coil. Clip wick ends to taste (1/4 inch on each side for me). Save wire wick needle for next time. Sometimes cotton wick will wear out before coil and the needle can be used to replace wick without taking the coil off the Reomizer.

3) Stick wire ends through post holes on Reomizer. Push the coil as low as you can without touching base. Tighten post screws and then clip the excess wire ends. Measure ohms for spring safety, etc. Replace cover, place o-ring around connector in well, put on mod. Wet with juice and you are ready to vape.


Hints: Buy extra o-rings when you order. Easy to lose and or crush. -- Don't overtighten atty to REO. If cover comes off first, don't put too much pressure on the Reomizer posts to take it off or they may bend or break.

Within a few coils you will be an expert, get fantastic flavor and vape, and save yourself a fortune in atty replacement. Although you seem to use your 510 regulars for a long time anyway.

Good luck and happy vaping.

 

[JC Okie]

Excellent post, juicejunky! Excellent.

 

[MrSmith99]

Thanks JuiceJunky! You probably just saved me hours of research and got me off to a good start. I just placed my order for a Reomizer with some extras. I'm excited!

 

[Technonut]

IMHO, one word describes the VVG best................ Sublime!