Quick question about nicotine.
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Good question, and one I've asked myself ever since I accidentally vaped 0mg nic for 2 hours and didn't notice the difference. I suppose one part of the question is whether vaping should be called "addictive". There is an addiction to nicotine, but over time many of us lower our nicotine levels.
Smoking definitely had a psychological as well as physical addiction for me, and vaping replaced the psychological part for me completely.
I think people will be different on this one - no one size fits all.
But I have been wondering if I am no longer addicted to nicotine like I thought I was. I'll be ordering some different nic levels in my next juice order, including some 0mg. If it tastes good and I enjoy it I might as well. Currently I vape 12 mg.
I don't have an issue with my nicotine consumption - I'm just glad I'm not smoking. But yes, interesting question.
Smoking definitely had a psychological as well as physical addiction for me, and vaping replaced the psychological part for me completely.
I think people will be different on this one - no one size fits all.
But I have been wondering if I am no longer addicted to nicotine like I thought I was. I'll be ordering some different nic levels in my next juice order, including some 0mg. If it tastes good and I enjoy it I might as well. Currently I vape 12 mg.
I don't have an issue with my nicotine consumption - I'm just glad I'm not smoking. But yes, interesting question.
I smoked a PAD for over 35 years. I started vaping in April at 18 to 24mg. I'm now mostly down to 6mg (90+% of the time) and planning on going lower. I also do not have a nic fit if I leave home for a few hours without my PV. I agree with kiwivap that people are different. My experience does suggest though that I am less addicted to vaping than I was to smoking.
I started on 18mg and now I am using 6mg and every now and then I used the wife's 0mg with not differences that I can tell. I do know that a 250ml bottle of zero nicotine in the PG/VG mixture of your choice is $8.00 or LESS. Take that bottle and do a 50/50 mix with some nic juice and its double order time.....
I have felt this way as well. Seems as though its not so much as needing a smoke, or vape anymore but is more how much I enjoy doing it for the sensation and flavors. I definently feel it would be easier to quit vaping than I ever thought before how it would of been to quit smoking when I smoked. < This being a completely honest to self statement from someone who smoked for 30yrs. Really wish there were more studies done on this by government and pharma companies rather than their efforts being focused on banning vaping, I'm confident the results would show the same. These government and phara companies should be focused on banning the other addictive and harmful chemicals tobacco companies use. If they want to ban nicotine from e-liquids why not ban nicotine from everything else? I see potential lawsuits.
Benzene, Formaldahyde, Ammonia, Acetone, Tar, Carbon monoxide = FDA approved ? makes sense heh?
Benzene, Formaldahyde, Ammonia, Acetone, Tar, Carbon monoxide = FDA approved ? makes sense heh?
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No, your Not addicted to e-cigs like you were with cigarettes. Reason is partly because of what you already said and also the difference is that in cigarettes there are tons more addictive chemicals than nicotine alone. It's a Big Cigarette company lie that the active addictive ingredient in tobacco is nicotine. They can use over 600 chemicals that are toxic and known to be addictive in the manufacturing process of cigarette tobacco. Many of these are found in tobacco. Still many more chemicals are created when tobacco is burned. Scientists estimate there are at least 4000 chemicals in burning tobacco and they can't even tell you what most of them do to your body harm wise.
These were first studied by smokers and vapers to explain why when some people switched to other alternatives, they could never get satisfied. It's found it's not just because of the nicotine alone - they craved other chemicals in cigarettes e-cigs don't have.
These were first studied by smokers and vapers to explain why when some people switched to other alternatives, they could never get satisfied. It's found it's not just because of the nicotine alone - they craved other chemicals in cigarettes e-cigs don't have.
I find this to be constant I can go with out vaping on a plane or equipment failure ect.... Its no big deal but when I smoked Id die for a cigarette after a plane ride, and there's that panic when you only have 10 smokes left and you debate getting out in a blizzard but the cigarettes always won.
I have no desire to quit vaping at the moment but if I do I think it will be just a few days of minor but very doable discomfort
I have no desire to quit vaping at the moment but if I do I think it will be just a few days of minor but very doable discomfort
Addiction is biologically based in many individuals, though. So, whatever the delivery mechanism, a mind-altering chemical ingested will have different effects on the bodies of those with addiction-prone systems vs. those with "normal" systems, no? Also dependent on prescription medication consumption too I'd think.
For me, I've had to go up in my nic strength, where previously as a smoker I was smoking menthol lights.
I dunno. Just tired ramblings at the moment. I'd like to see what others have to say, and I'd also like to look more into this. Thanks for posting.
For me, I've had to go up in my nic strength, where previously as a smoker I was smoking menthol lights.
I dunno. Just tired ramblings at the moment. I'd like to see what others have to say, and I'd also like to look more into this. Thanks for posting.
For me addiction is tied in to an obsessive compulsive state of being, and no I'm not even clinical nor is a lot of people like me, and there is a lot people like me. If I can latch on to something that eases the anxiety that goes with that and channels the nervous energy into something "productive" I can get addicted to it. When that something involves truly addictive substances or feelings to the body it pretty much makes things a whole lot worse and the cycle is tough. Being aware of this and putting boundaries on the kinds of relief seeking for reasons of physical and mental health and social acceptance (being ostracized is a completely effective tool to kill the human spirit) is pretty much another obsession of mine. Ha ha. I quit smoking when I was young but kept starting. Finally I used Nicorette to quit and then I kept chewing Nicorette.. Trying to quit Nicorette was very hard so I didn't because it was not that harmless although kinda expensive. Then I latched on to vaping. I don't mind nicotine. When I am dazed and confused anxious and unfocused due to lack of it I have no problem using it to "normalize". I used to drink like that. I'm a alcoholic and it was way out of control. It took all my self preservation skills to quit. So being addicted to nicotine is child's play....so long as it is not in the form of the tobacco which has been proven to be what it is. To be honest. I would notice if my e liquid didn't have nicotine probably along about that 2 hour mark. Absolutely. Sure, the vaping would help, so would sucking on a lolly pop, chewing a bunch bubble gum and spending too much money, cleaning out the garage, car house barn yard closets etc...and talking a lot. I vape because I want the nicotine. Sorry if this discourages anybody from quitting. If my budget made cost prohibitive I guess I'd be doing all those other things ....except shopping of course. Any harm in that? Not really but I'm just lazy. It is what is.
Actually it's kind of funny. I think I remember the tobacco companies saying that nicotine wasn't very addictive during the congressional hearings about "spiking nicotine" in cigs. lol. I for one wanted a consistent product...and I hoped I smoked less. How much nic was necessary is debatable. But that's a whole different can of worms.
So I agree with the above...it's a combination of things. The MAOI and nic combo in particular, but not exclusively.
I find I have less trouble going without nic for longer periods than I did with smoking.
So I agree with the above...it's a combination of things. The MAOI and nic combo in particular, but not exclusively.
I find I have less trouble going without nic for longer periods than I did with smoking.
most people find when they start vaping they need to go up on the nic level usually higher they what they thought would match a cig, this is in part to the body detoxing from the other chemicals and compensating by using more nic, I remember when I was a kid being told that nic while present in tobacco isnt enough to keep you hooked so they actually added more, Nic powder is used as a pesticide, and the con game was they were pouring it on the tobacco under this false pretense, while actually just manipulating the nic content for a stronger hook.
some of the chemicals in cig's are def being added to reenforce the addiction, just like caffeine in soda is added for no other reason, it is clear, tasteless and odorless yet they say its a flavoring.. when you think about this is it any wonder the top selling sodas also contain the top amounts of caffeine?
The big pharma and the gov dont want to do studies on vaping because they know it would reveal the simple truth, that we arent really addicted to nic like they tell us we are, while it is a reinforcement to the addiction it isnt the only one present. and If people realize they can just switch to something like vaping (unregulated for now) to avoid all the other chemicals then ween themselves off of that also 100's of millions of dollars in taxes would be lost.
and then there is the fact once they figure out what we really are addicted to in cigs, patches, gums and other stop smoking products will be made to carry these substances as well most likely and big tobacco loses even more residual income.
some of the chemicals in cig's are def being added to reenforce the addiction, just like caffeine in soda is added for no other reason, it is clear, tasteless and odorless yet they say its a flavoring.. when you think about this is it any wonder the top selling sodas also contain the top amounts of caffeine?
The big pharma and the gov dont want to do studies on vaping because they know it would reveal the simple truth, that we arent really addicted to nic like they tell us we are, while it is a reinforcement to the addiction it isnt the only one present. and If people realize they can just switch to something like vaping (unregulated for now) to avoid all the other chemicals then ween themselves off of that also 100's of millions of dollars in taxes would be lost.
and then there is the fact once they figure out what we really are addicted to in cigs, patches, gums and other stop smoking products will be made to carry these substances as well most likely and big tobacco loses even more residual income.
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I am convinced that there is a percentage of people who are more addicted to nicotine than the rest of us.
And I am convinced that there is a percentage of people that use nicotine as a medication for various mental and/or physical issues.
But other than that, yeah, a large percentage of us are finding out that the stranglehold of nicotine is more like a hug.
We can live without it if we want to, but quite often find we don't really want to.
It used to be an absolute requirement for me to have a cigarette first thing when I got out of bed.
Now I often don't even have my first vape until late afternoon or early evening.
Everyone's mileage may vary.
And I am convinced that there is a percentage of people that use nicotine as a medication for various mental and/or physical issues.
But other than that, yeah, a large percentage of us are finding out that the stranglehold of nicotine is more like a hug.
We can live without it if we want to, but quite often find we don't really want to.
It used to be an absolute requirement for me to have a cigarette first thing when I got out of bed.
Now I often don't even have my first vape until late afternoon or early evening.
Everyone's mileage may vary.
Though the Wikipedia entry for Tobacco reads:
Because of the powerfully addictive properties of nicotine, tolerance and dependence develop. Absorption quantity, frequency, and speed of tobacco consumption are believed to be directly related to biological strength of nicotine dependence, addiction, and tolerance.[4][5]
4. "Tobacco Facts - Why is Tobacco So Addictive?". Tobaccofacts.org. Retrieved 2008-09-18.
5. "Philip Morris Information Sheet". Stanford.edu. Archived from the original on 2008-04-05. Retrieved 2008-09-18.
Because of the powerfully addictive properties of nicotine, tolerance and dependence develop. Absorption quantity, frequency, and speed of tobacco consumption are believed to be directly related to biological strength of nicotine dependence, addiction, and tolerance.[4][5]
4. "Tobacco Facts - Why is Tobacco So Addictive?". Tobaccofacts.org. Retrieved 2008-09-18.
5. "Philip Morris Information Sheet". Stanford.edu. Archived from the original on 2008-04-05. Retrieved 2008-09-18.
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Technically, nicotine is not significantly addictive, as nicotine administered alone does not produce significant reinforcing properties.[54] However, after coadministration with an MAOI, such as those found in tobacco, nicotine produces significant behavioral sensitization, a measure of addiction potential. This is similar in effect to amphetamine.[34]
Though the nicotine we're all getting is derived from tobacco, no? So that makes the statement "nicotine is not significantly addictive" void to the extent we're concerned?
Cuz from what I can find, the only other synthesized form of nicotine is one used for pesticides and such, and it is very expensive. Yes?
Or is this a semantics issue of sorts? Mixed with chemistry ideology? Akin to saying, uh,
Technically, coca (what you make ....... from) is not significantly addictive, as coca administered alone does not produce significant reinforcing properties.[FONT=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif] [/FONT] However, after coadministration with blah blah blah, such as those found in ......., coca produces significant behavioral sensitization, a measure of addiction potential. This is similar in effect to amphetamine.[34]
Ok, I realize there's a lot wrong with that above statement, but it was just what I drew from the air in comparison. ....... isn't just magically sucked outta coca plants or anything like nicotine from tobacco plants (I know, I know, nicotine isn't magically sucked outta tobacco plants either, but I'm having a hard time trying to type out what I'm trying to say). I was just trying to think of something that was known to be highly addictive.
Heh heh. in my non-professional opinion those two chemicals seem to be opposites; nicotine is a not-so-addictive substance whose addictive properties are enhanced by other substances in the tobacco plant (and additionally by artificial additives to cigarettes). Cocoa is a not-so-addictive plant which contains small amounts of a VERY addictive substance. So, nicotine extraction removes many addictive properties, while the extraction (concentration) of Charlie Sheen enhances said properties.
I have heard analogies comparing nicotine to caffeine in effects and addictive properties... that is how I typically think about the matter, non-scientific as it is.
For me, the "addictive" nature of smoking/vaping comes from the action, the oral fixation, and the interruptive nature of the activity. I like to have something to do with my hands. I like to have a reason to take small breaks from whatever I am doing or thinking about to collect myself. I am extremely stir-crazy, all the time. When I am very engaged in the moment I can go for hours without vaping or realizing that I am not vaping. When that is not the case I need my vape-breaks. Whether I am playing a game of risk or watching a film or doing some data entry, I like to take 5 minutes now and then to just... do something else for a minute.
I have come to associate the action of smoking/vaping, the different breathing patterns of this, the pacing around, and the warm feeling of smoke/vapor in the throat with this kind of mental/physical break. So now vaping instantly puts me in that place, while other actions may not have the same effect.
In conclusion, vaping can be very addictive but it is not the chemical component that makes the difference.
I have heard analogies comparing nicotine to caffeine in effects and addictive properties... that is how I typically think about the matter, non-scientific as it is.
For me, the "addictive" nature of smoking/vaping comes from the action, the oral fixation, and the interruptive nature of the activity. I like to have something to do with my hands. I like to have a reason to take small breaks from whatever I am doing or thinking about to collect myself. I am extremely stir-crazy, all the time. When I am very engaged in the moment I can go for hours without vaping or realizing that I am not vaping. When that is not the case I need my vape-breaks. Whether I am playing a game of risk or watching a film or doing some data entry, I like to take 5 minutes now and then to just... do something else for a minute.
I have come to associate the action of smoking/vaping, the different breathing patterns of this, the pacing around, and the warm feeling of smoke/vapor in the throat with this kind of mental/physical break. So now vaping instantly puts me in that place, while other actions may not have the same effect.
In conclusion, vaping can be very addictive but it is not the chemical component that makes the difference.
Oh, wow, I didn't realize ECF bleeped that out. Haa. But I like the Charlie Sheen substitution. Woot has all sorts of great auto substitutions. I did find that it bleeps out .... (a_r_s_e) but not ....
Yes, it is weird.
I was a heavy smoker for more than 20 years. Rolling cigs, no filters. Heavily addicted.
Tried mini PV's but they were not enough, so I had a period of both. Then got my eGo and tossed cigs in a day or two.
Now... I need my PV and there are moments that I really really crave vaping. But that's nothing to compare with cravings I had for cigs. I can go for hours without a vape if needed (being around kids or somewhere where I can't vape), that would be a nightmare before. Also, cravings are not the same. Now I feel the need and I will start thinking how/where to vape (or throw longing looks at the charger if I was stupid enough to get all my batts empty), but there's no "I'm gonna kill somebody" feeling, no dry mouth, no weirdness in the whole body. So, I'd say there is some addiction, but it's no way the same stuff.
BTW, I'm on 9mg now and planning to cut it on 6.
As no two addicts are the same.... my g/f was also a heavy smoker with million attempts to quit. Soon after I got so happy about eGo's, she got hers. Quit the cigs instantly. Two days latter, she realized she doesn't need nic at all. She still needs/wants to vape, but 0 nic.
I was a heavy smoker for more than 20 years. Rolling cigs, no filters. Heavily addicted.
Tried mini PV's but they were not enough, so I had a period of both. Then got my eGo and tossed cigs in a day or two.
Now... I need my PV and there are moments that I really really crave vaping. But that's nothing to compare with cravings I had for cigs. I can go for hours without a vape if needed (being around kids or somewhere where I can't vape), that would be a nightmare before. Also, cravings are not the same. Now I feel the need and I will start thinking how/where to vape (or throw longing looks at the charger if I was stupid enough to get all my batts empty), but there's no "I'm gonna kill somebody" feeling, no dry mouth, no weirdness in the whole body. So, I'd say there is some addiction, but it's no way the same stuff.
BTW, I'm on 9mg now and planning to cut it on 6.
As no two addicts are the same.... my g/f was also a heavy smoker with million attempts to quit. Soon after I got so happy about eGo's, she got hers. Quit the cigs instantly. Two days latter, she realized she doesn't need nic at all. She still needs/wants to vape, but 0 nic.
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