Rancid DIY

[sincity]

I recently quit smoking (2 months ago) and use my K100+ w/ dripper mod daily and my wife with a variable voltage ego and kanger tanks. We normally use store bought juice 6-12 mg of nic, but where I live its an hour drive to get it. I have a point to this long winded post, so please bare with me......
My wife and I decided to try and make our own so we did a weeks worth of research. We decided that if we can make our own we can make juice for all our friends too. We settled on the 100mg 125ml (50/50) nic from my freedom smokes, a gallon of PG and a gallon of VG from essential depot, various flavors from TPA, and plenty of mixing utensils, syringes, mason jars etc... We noticed that a 50/50 mix (even figuring in the pg content in the flavoring) with 20% flavor and 6mg nic was a good start via all the e-forums and blogs. So that's what we did. We made 10 base fruit flavors at 75ml quantities each with the above combination and let them steep. We did the steep process like this..... shake vigorously right away for 3-4 minutes, then placed in hot water with lid on for a few hours, lid off for 48 hours and lid back on for over a week with a quick shake every day. We tried them every other day or so to see if they improve, but they do not. Some have even lost their flavor all together. I affirm that all my measurements are dead correct with the percentages / ml amounts to each flavor. They taste, for a lack of better description, chemical'y, nothing we made is close to anything we have ever "store bought".

This evening, we decided something must be wrong, so we tried the PG straight from the gallon jug on our finger tip and it was just AWFUL, ( we expected it to be a bad taste)! We tried the VG from the gallon jug and it tasted somewhat similar to honey .

I guess my question here is... is the flavor to much or too little? Did I possibly get a bad batch of PG? Is there a "secret step" I am missing? I live far from any type of "vape' store so getting this DIY procedure down will keep our cigg habit at bay

 

[Shilo]

All flavors do not require the same percentages so yes 20 percent will be too high in many cases with TFA unless a person is vaping almost all VG and even that will vary from person to person as taste is so individual. The general rule is higher PG less flavor needed-- higher VG more flavor needed. Heating is not necessary and making much smaller quantities of individual flavors and sampling before adding the nic solution is generally the best way to go. I have never gotten rancid PG or VG ---chemically taste usually means overflavored. It is possible and expected for nic solution to age when exposed to heat, light and air that is why I make smaller batches and put my nic in the freezer. We have a DIY section please feel free to join us there and lots of helpful posts and people. Welcome to ECF!

If I can make one more recommendation it would be to try other flavoring brands besides TFA as some like their flavors and some do not. Not the easiest brand for a beginner.

 

[Mowgli]

Thanks for the idea pal. PG is gross. I just tried it on my finger and yep. gross.
Mine's from Tractor Supply and it's USP so it's exactly what it's supposed to be.
I expected it to be unflavored like water. ewww.

It sounds like you used too much flavor. I don't use TPA but what you describe sounds like over flavoring.

This should help - E-Cigarette Forum - Hoosier - Blogs

 

[Shilo]

DIY E-Liquid

 

[sincity]

All due respect, you know better than I do, but I have been through the DIY section and various blogs, and to be honest 2+2=5... its overwhelming with all the information and OPINIONS available here! But this is where we got the procedure we have used. I understand the over flavoring and I will try to dilute a few mixed flavors with VG in the am and steep some more too see what happens. What are we doing wrong in comparison to some of these vape shops that make juice "on the spot" and give it to you and it tastes fine? What do they do sooooo magical, that it is vapeable right away? LOL

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Mogwli has me too scared to taste my PG and will just take your guys' word for it that it's terrible, don't want to be up all night scrubbing off my tongue.

Here is a link to the last page the TFA flavoring list was updated too. You will see very few are suggested at up to 20%. It's a long thread but well worth the read.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...0-flavor-apprentice-flavoring-thread-126.html

 

[Mowgli]

Mogwli has me too scared to taste my PG and will just take your guys' word for it that it's terrible, don't want to be up all night scrubbing off my tongue.

It wears off fast. Just spit it out, take a hit off your pv and a hit off your drink.
It'll be distant memory before you quit saying ewwww.

You know you're gonna so just get it over with

 

[hairball]

I hope this helps you out some. DIY isn't hard but it isn't easy either and it takes awhile to find what percentage works for both of you.

This will give you a starting point for TFA flavorings:

These are just some good suggestions to start out with......

Absinthe: 10%
Almond Amaretto: 5-10%, 5/5
Red Apple: 10-15%, 4.5/5
Apple Pie: 10-12%
Banana Cream 10%-15%
Banana Nut Bread: 5-7% (Great for mixing)
Bavarian Cream 5%-15%
Bittersweet (Choc): 10-15%, 4/5
Black Cherry: 5-15%, 5/5
Black Honey Tobacco: 3-5%
Blackberry: 6%
Blueberry: 15%
Blueberry Extra: 6/5 10-13%
Brandy: 5%
Brown Sugar 15-20%
Bubblegum: 10%>
Butterscotch: 12%
Caramel: 10-15%, 5/5
Caramel Candy: 15-20%, 5/5
Caramel Cappuccino: 1 drop in 10ml base 4/5
Chai Tea: 10% 5/5 Very Unique, a must try
Cheesecake: 5-15%, 2/5
Cherry Blossom; 15%
Caramel Cappuchino 1 drop/10ml
Chocolate: 10-15%, 5/5
Chocolate Mint: 10% (more chocolate than mint)
Cinnamon Red Hots: 5-10%, 5/5
Cinnamon Spice: 1% is noticable 5% is strong
Coconut Candy: 10%
Coconut Extra: ~10%, 5/5
Cola Syrup Flavor: ~8% (can seize up a syringe)
Cotton Candy: 10-20%, 5/5
County Fair Cotton Candy: 5-10% 5/5 (Has sweeter flavor then the EM based-works well as a sweetener also)
DK Tab 555: 3%-5%
Dragon Fruit: 5-12% (better mixed with another fruit)
Double Chocolate (Clear) 10-12% 4/5
Double Ry4: 5%
Dulce de Leche: - overpowering at 20% - good for combining
Earl Grey Tea: 5%
French Vanilla: 10% (For me: Gets chemical/perfume tones over 5%)
Graham Cracker: 10-15%, 5/5 - This flavor recommended for combining with others.
Grape: 12%
Green Apple: 12%
Gummy Bears: 8-10%
Hazelnut Praline: 5%, 2/5
Honey: 10%
Honeysuckle: 10- 15% - very good but FYI will crack a tank
Horchata: 5%, 5/5
Irish Cream: 10 - 12%
Jamaican Rum: 12%
Juicy fruit: 13-15%
Juicy Peach 17%
Key Lime Pie 12%
Kahlua and Cream: 10%
Kona Coffee: 1drop/10ml, 4/5
Kiwi Double: 5%
Licorice 5/5 10% needs a few weeks to steep
Lime (oil-based): 1-5%, 4/5
Lychee: 5-7%
M-type Tobacco- 1% for starters It requires a loooong steep!
Malted Milk: 5% (best mixed with other others)
Mango: 13%
Maple: 10%
Marachino Cherry: 5%, 4/5
Maraschino Cherry Second opinion: 1% (not sweet, mix with another cherry)
Marshmallow 5% for a good addition, 10% for a main flavor
Milk Chocolate: 20%, 4/5
Mint Candy: 12%, 4.5/5
Molasses: 2-3% (best mixed with others)
Mt. Dew 10%-20%
Orange Cream: 5-10% 5/5 (To note, I am using all vg
. So, I use it at higher %'s)
Papaya: 10% 5-5 (Very Fragrant)
Peach (not juicy) 12-15%
Peanut Butter: 10-15%, 5/5
Pear: 10-15%, 4.5/5
Peppermint: 15%
Pie Crust: 3% for mixing (gets kinda acidic above 5% IMO)
Pineapple: 15% 4.5/5 ( authentic flavor, I used 5% EM to sweeten)
Pizza: ~5%, 5/5
Plum: 5-10%, 4/5
Pomegranate: 7.5%-14%
Popcorn: 13%-15%
Pumpkin: 7%
Raisin: 1-3% (Powerful)
Raspberry: 10%
Red Bull: 10%
Ripe Banana: less than 5% (very strong and known to crack tanks)
Red Oak: 2-3%
RY4 Double- 15%
RY4 Asian: 10-15%
Smooth 2 drops per 5 ml
Spearmint:
Strawberry: 3%-15%
Strawberry (Ripe): 10%
Strawberries & Cream: 10-12% (good on its own, better with 3-5% EM)
Sweet Cream: 5-10%, 4/5 - This flavor recommended for combining with others.
Sweet Tart: 10%, 5/5 - Tastes more like Smarties add sour
Tangerine (oil-based): 1-5%, 5/5
Tiramisu-- 8%-15% Over 15% tastes like burned coffee
Tobacco Blend Alcohol: 2.5%
Toasted Marshmallow: 10-15%
Toasted Almond: 15%
Tobbaco Absolute (TA):
Tutti Frutti: 10-15%, 4.5/5 (closer to 15% the more VG
I use)
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream: 4-8%, 4/5 (excellent mixer)
Vanilla Bourbon: 10-15%, 4.5/5
Vanilla Cupcake: 20%
Vanilla Swirl: 10%
Vanallin: 10%
Violet Candy: 10 - 12% (one of my favorite vapes)
Waffle: 20%, 5/5
Watermelon: 15% 4/5
Whiskey: 5%-10%
White Chocolate: 10% (has been reformulated without sugar)
Wintergreen: 10-15%, 5/5
PA Sucralose Sweetener: 2%+, 4.5/5
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The Perfumers Apprentice (TPA)Sweet Tarts 10%Cinnamon Red Hots 3%Holiday Spice 3%Key Lime 7%Bavarian Cream 5%

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Flavor West Starting points (FW):

Butterscotch: 6%
Cream Soda: 15%
Ecto Cooler: 10% (10% very sour) 2-5%
Ginger Ale: 10%
Gummy Bear: 5% (a bit floral above 5%)
Sugar Cookie: 10%
Yellow Cake: 5%
Chai Tea 2%
Prickly Pear 1% (VERY sour)Pina Colada 10%Butter Rum 7%Strawberry 8%Pear 10%Honey Dew 10%
Tall Maroon Soda (big red) 20%
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Capella starting points (CAP):

Capella Flavors:
Blueberry Cinnamon Crumble Flavor Concentrate, start at 5% or less
Bubblegum Flavor Concentrate, start at 10% or less
Cappuccino Flavor Concentrate, start at 10% or less
Chocolate Coconut Almond Flavor Concentrate, start at 10% or less
Chocolate Fudge Brownie Flavor Concentrate, start at 5% or less.
Cinnamon Coffee Cake Flavor Concentrate, start at 5% or less
French Toast Flavor Concentrate, start at 10% or less
Horchata Flavor Concentrate, start with 5% or less
Maple (Pancake Syrup) Flavor Concentrate, start at 10% or less
New York Cheesecake Flavor Concentrate, start at 10% or less
Snick-Snack (Snickers)Flavor Concentrate, start with 5% or less
Vanilla Custard Flavor Concentrate, start at 5% or less
Acetyl Pyrazine (05% PG) You do need to dilute it to around 4 drops in 6ml then use one drop of the dilution per 5ml of ejuice. Now you can see why it lasts forever. Its the bready and graham crackerish note you have been looking for . Its the ultimate enhancer for a graham cracker flavoring or even a popcorn flavoring as well as all types of cinnamon rolls,cakes,cookies etc.

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Flavour Art (FA):

Barley Malt 2%
Beer 5%
Butterscotch 3%
Caramel 2%
Catalan Cream 5%
Cherry Black 4%
Chocolate 2%
Cinnamon Ceylon 5%
Cocoa 5%
Coconut 10%
Coffee Espresso 2%
Cookie 10%
Green Tea 3%
Forest Fruit 15%
Hazelnut Toasted 2%
Hypnotic Mist 5%
Irish Cream 3%
Licorice flavor 4%
Mad Fruit (Red Bull)15%
Oba Oba 12% (mellow, smooth flavor)
White Peach - 12%
Vanilla Classic 3% (good to mix with other vanillas too)

 

[DoogieTony]

Have you tried vaping the unflavored nic base? You may have gotten a funky batch of nic.

 

[Mowgli]

Let me simplify the FW/MBV list for you

Every flavor in 18mg 70/30 - 12.5% +/- .25%

That's the only nic/ratio I mix my 75+ FW/MBV flavors in. They all are strong and tasty at 12.5%.

except Sweet Tarts - just say no


I've tried more flavor and less flavor. A few times. 12.5% works great so 12.5% it is.

except Sweet Tarts - just say no

 

[FlamingoTutu]

It wears off fast. Just spit it out, take a hit off your pv and a hit off your drink.
It'll be distant memory before you quit saying ewwww.

You know you're gonna so just get it over with

Nope, nope nope. I ain't gonna do it.

Okay, fine, I'll try it tomorrow when I have the Vodka out to do some DIY.

Nice list Hairball!

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Let me simplify the FW/MBV list for you

Every flavor in 18mg 70/30 - 12.5% +/- .25%

That's the only nic/ratio I mix my 75+ FW/MBV flavors in. They all are strong and tasty at 12.5%.

except Sweet Tarts - just say no


I've tried more flavor and less flavor. A few times. 12.5% works great so 12.5% it is.

except Sweet Tarts - just say no

Bloody hell, I just bought Sweet Tarts. It's okay with watermellon, no? Just a tad?

 

[crxess]

Wow............Just jump right in with the sharks.
What a waste of good flavorings and MONEY.

I have been working with DIY for several months, done hundreds of hours of researching and still only make 5-10ml samples. Things rarely go as planned and you need to KNOW the end results before attempting to mas produce anything.

Remember, if it was so easy, everyone would be doing it at home and no venders would have secret recipes.

 

[Mowgli]

Bloody hell, I just bought Sweet Tarts. It's okay with watermellon, no? Just a tad?

I like FW flavors on their own, including Graham Cracker, Whipped Cream, Sweet Cream & Pie Crust.
The main MBV thread has a lot of people that mix flavors together and those are some they like to add.
Sweet Tarts might be ok as a mixer but to me it tasted like slightly sweet dust at 12.5%
I bumped it to 15% and it tasted slightly closer to the candy.
I bumped it to 18% and it was still way too weak but not weird.

Just because I don't like it doesn't mean it sucks. It just means I don't like it...
...or it sucks

 

[FlamingoTutu]

I have been working with DIY for several months, done hundreds of hours of researching and still only make 5-10ml samples. Things rarely go as planned and you need to KNOW the end results before attempting to mas produce anything.

Yes but do you put nicotine in it yet?

Sincity, when you make your samples, don't put the nic into it until you know you have a workable recipe. It will save you a ton of money.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

I like FW flavors on their own, including Graham Cracker, Whipped Cream, Sweet Cream & Pie Crust.
The main MBV thread has a lot of people that mix flavors together and those are some they like to add.
Sweet Tarts might be ok as a mixer but to me it tasted like slightly sweet dust at 12.5%
I bumped it to 15% and it tasted slightly closer to the candy.
I bumped it to 18% and it was still way too weak but not weird.

Just because I don't like it doesn't mean it sucks. It just means I don't like it...
...or it sucks

I wanted a Jolly Rancher Watermelon flavor. Someone said the Sweet Tart helped with that. Someone else gave a different recipe and swore it tasted just like like Jolly Rancher Watermelon. About made me vomit and can't get the stink out of anything it came in contact with. Live and learn.

 

[Mowgli]

It's amazing how different peoples' tastes are.
I made juice for someone for a couple of months.
He likes 36mg 80/20 +3 flavor shots.
We started at 12.5%
bumped it to 13.5%
loves it at 14.5%

It tasted like house fire to me. I couldn't distinguish between flavors. Different strokes.

That ST flavor might just make the perfect WM Jolly Rancher for you. Keep us posted.

 

[Shilo]

All due respect, you know better than I do, but I have been through the DIY section and various blogs, and to be honest 2+2=5... its overwhelming with all the information and OPINIONS available here! But this is where we got the procedure we have used. I understand the over flavoring and I will try to dilute a few mixed flavors with VG in the am and steep some more too see what happens. What are we doing wrong in comparison to some of these vape shops that make juice "on the spot" and give it to you and it tastes fine? What do they do sooooo magical, that it is vapeable right away? LOL

Maybe the vape shop is not using TFA or is using a combo of brands. Maybe that juice you bought steeped for 2-3 weeks. I understand your frustration---we have all been there. Fruits are pretty easy I am sure it is just too much flavoring. Smaller batches steep faster as well with or without the application of heat.

For easy ready to vape almost instantly low percentage required fruit flavors go to Vaping Zone and looking into the super concentrated alcohol based fruits which need only 2.5% or their Gourmet line of flavors which require 1% or less---makes a beginning DIYers journey alot easier. I bought TFA first DIY and liked 2 of 20 flavors I bought and wanted to give up too. It takes a little patience to find what works best for you.

 

[vapoorized]

I got in an order today from TPA and I tried the ripe banana flavor at 10% and WOW!! never again... way too strong and overpowered everything in its path. haha! Lesson learned. Maybe it needs a few steeping days before I attempt it again.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

It's amazing how different peoples' tastes are.
I made juice for someone for a couple of months.
He likes 36mg 80/20 +3 flavor shots.
We started at 12.5%
bumped it to 13.5%
loves it at 14.5%

It tasted like house fire to me. I couldn't distinguish between flavors. Different strokes.

That ST flavor might just make the perfect WM Jolly Rancher for you. Keep us posted.

There is no accounting for taste is there? Sorry. This person just raved about how awesome it was and I thought it was just horrible. I tossed the entire bottle, I mean the bottle along with the batch.

There is definitely a science to this and am grateful people are so willing to share their experiences here because I don't think I'll ever have the knack for tweaking recipes at all beyond the basics.

I'm really not much more advanced than the OP, perhaps just read through the DIY forum a bit more. Wish us both luck, lol.