RDA's and Flavor, What am I missing?

[siklilmonkey]

Hello all, Sik here again,
Got some issues with my RDA's, Just to give you somewhat of where im at in vaping, been vaping since July 2013, egos to evic to VTR and now onto mods.
My favorite vape atm is 1.3ohm microcoil, 28g, 9 wrap, in a protank mini II with cotton, airholes drilled out just a little. Gives a good flavor and moderate vapor, best flavor I know how to get out of a tank style system.

I use 6 mg Juices.

Now, I bought the trident, Helios, Patriot, Nimbus, and two I-go W-3's.

So far no matter what build I put on them, single, dual, or quad, all my flavor is muted to about 50% of my protanks flavor. Happy with the nic delivery tho. So is that how it is, better nic fix, but muted flavor? I have a ohm meter and all the proper tools for rebuilding, I don't take any shortcuts and if something dont seem right I start over just to be safe.

Lowest build was a dual coil .24 ohm all the way up to single coil .8 ohm, not much flavor change with any coil setup, best was probably a single microcoil .65 ohm with dragon wicking, tried to dual dragon but was around .3 ohm and just didnt have the flavor of the .65.

Airholes are drilled out to 2mm, i like it airy, is that my problem, too much air. I hate not knowing any other vapers, cant compare with friends.

Anyway, any help would be appreciated.

Sik

PS. Got most of my build ideas from Rip Tripper videos, some toddecigreviews

 

[itskohler]

In my personal experience, an airy draw doesn't give me the flavor I'm after.

 

[FigNewton]

In my personal experience, an air draw doesn't give me the flavor I'm after.

I agree. I drilled out both the holes on my igo-w and find myself putting a finger over one of them when I take a hit. Interested to see what others have to say about flavor in regards to RDA's. I was under the impression I would get more flavor, but I've found that I get better flavor with my protank 2.

 

[KurrptSenate]

I find the small the atomizer chamber is, the more flavorful your vape is going to be. Increasing air flow increases vapor production, but it does not increase the flavor.

I would have you try a kayfun or Taifun GT for flavor.

 

[siklilmonkey]

The Kayfun is turned out to be really good, once i got the coil and wicking right. That is a good suggestion, maybe i should get a few more yet. I change flavors alot. And they are a really good vape.

But it does seem fairy easy to get clouds with RDAs but flavor is harder.

I bet i got too much air, have to adjust down when i get home and see, I just thought more air the better.

Thanks for the replies and I look forward to hearing other RDA advice.

 

[tj99959]

Kind of a funny deal, the flavor is there in all of the RDA's. You just need to find it.
Every one of them will react differently to a different resistance, different wire gage, number of wraps, diameter of coils, type of wick, how tight the wraps are on the wick, the list just goes on & on. The trick is that if a build doesn't give you what you want, don't do that same build again expecting different results.

 

[eMats]

It's like eating. You're not gonna taste as much flavor in your food if you're gonna just inhale it. If you want flavor, try Edit: increasing your resistance, say 1.1 to 1.3 ohms and decrease the airflow just a bit. Take it in slow with a mouth to lung inhale. That's the trouble with sub-ohm vaping, straight to the lungs with a giant cloud and "hey, where's the flavor?" Chill out dude... trix are for kids.

 

[KurrptSenate]

I found reducing the chamber with more saturated cotton helps a bit

 

[eMats]

Bottom line to more flavor is to get a denser vape (without burning your liquid) to hit your taste buds. If you go from PV to lung, a lot of vapor bypasses the taste buds. Mouth to lung inhales with a dense vape should give you the most flavor and save you a lot of liquid, more batt time, etc. How you get there is up to you.

 

[FigNewton]

Good info everyone! I was with the OP and thought "more air is better". I have a KFL+ (Black Edition) on order and will try an RDA with a smaller chamber if I don't get what I want from the KFL+.

 

[eMats]

Good info everyone! I was with the OP and thought "more air is better". I have a KFL+ (Black Edition) on order and will try an RDA with a smaller chamber if I don't get what I want from the KFL+.

Some air is good, you gotta use your nasal passages through the inhale and exhale. Like wine tasting. I'm Japanese, ever saw how they slurp ramen in Japan? Same thing. Just like tasting ramen.

 

[FigNewton]

Alright, I admit I googled it....

How to eat ramen the proper way - YouTube

 

[dice57]

Air to watts ratio is the key to flavor on rba's and rda's. the more watts the build is producing, the more air is needed for the vape produced and to keep it cool. Lower watts need less air other wise you are running to lean. to much air to atomized juice ratio. It's like running an engine to lean, don't get the good performance. That is why I prefer all my rba's to have air control adjustability, otherwise, you have to adjust the build to the capabilities, or drill out the holes or fill them in some how, or as mentioned, change up the air volume inside the chamber. This also why one see many sub ohm drippers drilling out their air intake holes.

 

[eMats]

Air to watts ratio is the key to flavor on rba's and rda's. the more watts the build is producing, the more air is needed for the vape produced and to keep it cool. Lower watts need less air other wise you are running to lean. to much air to atomized juice ratio. It's like running an engine to lean, don't get the good performance. That is why I prefer all my rba's to have air control adjustability, otherwise, you have to adjust the build to the capabilities, or drill out the holes or fill them in some how, or as mentioned, change up the air volume inside the chamber. This also why one see many sub ohm drippers drilling out their air intake holes.

With all due respect, this is more a way of producing more vapor, not necessarily more flavor - big difference. Yes, it is important to get a dense vapor but sub ohm people more so than not, do lung inhales cutting off their nasal passages thus getting more vapor into their lungs and less outside air. Thus, tasting the vapor solely on the exhale because they then do use their nasal passages. Try hitting your mod while pinching your nose closed -same effect, you get no flavor. It's fun though, I know, I have a sub ohm setup on my nightstand for kicks. However, in order enhance flavor, one must use their nasal passage on both the inhale and exhale. You can do a lung inhale using both your mouth and nasal but who does that... the goal of a lung inhale is to get the most vapor out of a drag - that's it.

 

[Mr.JohnPatrick]

Currently I'm running an M16 Sentinel Clone with a Trident Clone RDA at .1ohm with a quad-nano-coil setup that I devised myself. I found that I have too much flavour and not enough plumes. With that being said, I need more air in my setup. To help you with your situation siklilmonkey, I would cut back on the air just as everyone previously had mentioned. Another thing to keep in mind too, is to try different inhalation techniques. With my setup previous to my quad-nano-coil I would do French inhales to help get more flavour out of every puff.

Just a thought.

 

[tj99959]

Currently I'm running an M16 Sentinel Clone with a Trident Clone RDA at .1ohm with a quad-nano-coil setup that I devised myself. I found that I have too much flavour and not enough plumes. With that being said, I need more air in my setup. To help you with your situation siklilmonkey, I would cut back on the air just as everyone previously had mentioned. Another thing to keep in mind too, is to try different inhalation techniques. With my setup previous to my quad-nano-coil I would do French inhales to help get more flavour out of every puff.

Just a thought.

And that is plain silly, and flat out dangerous. I sure hope you're not as new to vaping as your post count/join date would indicate. That build would be 37 amps and 137 watts. The top cap of your Trident would be glowing red.
You are going to blow your damn fool head off!

 

[DrillRX]

It's kind of funny to me that everyone says lung inhales don't give the flavor. I use an RDA almost exclusively, with 7/64 airholes and a .6 build. I find that most of the flavor comes on the exhale rather than the inhale. Not sure why nobody else has experienced this. Or maybe they have and didn't notice.

 

[eMats]

It's kind of funny to me that everyone says lung inhales don't give the flavor. I use an RDA almost exclusively, with 7/64 airholes and a .6 build. I find that most of the flavor comes on the exhale rather than the inhale. Not sure why nobody else has experienced this. Or maybe they have and didn't notice.

Well ya, if you do lung inhales ALL of your flavor comes from your exhale, not most. It's how the human body works, I didn't make any of it up.

 

[TXTA2002]

And that is plain silly, and flat out dangerous. I sure hope you're not as new to vaping as your post count/join date would indicate. That build would be 37 amps and 137 watts. The top cap of your Trident would be glowing red.
You are going to blow your damn fool head off!

Really hope he has some 60amp batteries. that build is flat out insane. I'm iffy at anything below .30 and I just built a .24 ohm coil just to play around and it scares me.

 

[DasBluCig]

Really hope he has some 60amp batteries. that build is flat out insane. I'm iffy at anything below .30 and I just built a .24 ohm coil just to play around and it scares me.

At .1 ohm......the H3!! with a coil....just use a straight piece of wire!!!
Maybe he's using 2 30A batteries in PARALLEL....????!!
Even so.....that's REALLY dicey territory for ANYONE!!
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