Re: EC directives, let's see them legislate this one (if all else fails)

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hopeless junkie

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Righty, seems they can't be seen to tax it (taxing a medical product = bad ? right?) they don't want to condone it (publicly they must say they do) what about all the lost revenue? So they kick it into touch by requiring that it become a licensed medical product - goodbye dilemma hello $$ hurrah.

I looked into sourcing nicotine, and, yes you can grow tobacco in the UK... but as of 2001 NOT FOR PERSONAL CONSUMPTION unless, you guessed it, you pay duty!

Weeeell, I've been thinkin' (and I have been told before that this is dangerous) and here's what I come up with. Extract from a letter from customs and excise to a tobacco growers forum (25th Oct 2001) :-

"...You may also find it useful to know that we apply a risk-based approach to compliance and law enforcement to protect all the individual taxes and duties for which we are responsible, including tobacco products duty. There is not a great deal of home-grown tobacco smoked in the UK and we will certainly not be targeting potential domestic tobacco producers. Nor do we wish to devote a disproportionate amount of resource to the control of hobby growers and manufacturers.You may wish to point out to your customers that duty only becomes due once the tobacco can be smoked i.e. when the cured tobacco leaves have been shredded. There is no duty on tobacco seeds, which are quite legal to buy, or on the tobacco plants themselves."

And now here is a very handy extract from my Prescott and Ridge :-

It may be extracted by boiling the tobacco leaves with water, making alkaline with lime and distilling, the distillate is acidified with oxalic acid (rhubarb!) to fix the volatile nicotine and concentrated by evaporation. The residue made alkaline with caustic soda and the free alkaloid extracted with ether (diesel engine starting stuff), which is distilled off.


So, I don't know about you but I'm off to the alottment.

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meli.

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ROFL, have fun at the Allotment. I'm sure you'll learn more besides growing Tobacco. If anything I think the regulars might find you rather odd, would make a change as most are Beyond alternative.

I'm not sure it's wise to have an extract of what is a complicated procedure and Dangerous on this forum. Not something ECF advocates or encourages.

Thanks for the info tho, I imagine they (Customs and Excise) have to concentrate their efforts in seeking out other types of growers to worry too much about tobacco hobbyists. I have my doubts with the EU directive. Meddling so & so's. The sooner we kick them into touch the better.
oh and Welcome to the Forum.:)
 

Warren D. Lockaby

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I don't know enough about any of this to offer suggestions except for this one: I would NOT use the ether used for quick-starting recalcitrant engines. The reason for this is, those products aren't pure ether but contain a top-cylinder lubricant as well. Now I'm no chemist but AFAIK the pure ether would evaporate completely, but with this mix I'd expect the lub stuff to be left behind.

Best of luck, don't blow yourself up, and Happy Vaping! :vapor:
 

hopeless junkie

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I don't know enough about any of this to offer suggestions except for this one: I would NOT use the ether used for quick-starting recalcitrant engines. The reason for this is, those products aren't pure ether but contain a top-cylinder lubricant as well. Now I'm no chemist but AFAIK the pure ether would evaporate completely, but with this mix I'd expect the lub stuff to be left behind.

Best of luck, don't blow yourself up, and Happy Vaping! :vapor:

Thanks, and obviously in theory the lube is left behind if you first dipped the stuff that had condensed in the bottle you sprayed it into in warm water then passed the vapour through a theoretical tube running through a theoretical ice bath then maybe the lube would stay behind. Obviously I have no idea :)

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hopeless junkie

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Update: Rhubarb = rubbish source of oxalic acid for fixing during evaporation especially as there are other poisons in its leaves, but oxalic acid is sold in crystalline form as 'rust remover' or 'hull cleaner'
Alternative apolar solvent for final extraction might be liquid fuel for camping stoves.
I intend to do this, and to report what I get ('if anything' because I don't like counting chickens) sometime after my crop comes in. I shall let you know.

(and if this post got duplicated because of some kind of anti-spam measure, please just delete one or the other, thanks)
 
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