Re Stevia to sweeten tobacco flavor?

[Seabrook]

Hi there. Does anyone know if I can add a drop of Stevia to my tobacco flavored ejuice? It's premium NSI brand I purchased from vitacost.com. I use the liquid extract -- other ingredients are vegetable glycerin and deionized water. It's consistency is pretty thin, but not as thin as water. Wikipedia has a beautiful article on it but, of course, Wikipedia doesn't have vaping instructions, heh heh. Just curious if anyone adds it to their more sour flavors to sweeten a bit. Please and thank you.

 

[Kate51]

I use it also! I use a caramel flavor in my DIY tobacco VG, a couple drops in my 'mix' really helps bring out the caramel and just makes it all nicer.

 

[trzrChrst1]

Wow, really? Stevia works?
We have some very concentrated liquid, (vanilla flavored) in the fridge, and probably will try it. It's food, I mean we grow it in our little herb garden and take a leaf of stevia and peppermint and chew them up together. So why not vape it?
What about the powder form. Could you, would you dissolve that in some juice and see if that sweetens up the flavor. I have some flavourart coming to DIY with some VG, so I will now need to try some small samples with stevia powder and liquid.
If anyone has a recipe that has worked, pass it on please. Thanks.

 

[Seabrook]

I use it also! I use a caramel flavor in my DIY tobacco VG, a couple drops in my 'mix' really helps bring out the caramel and just makes it all nicer.

Thanks for the reply. I didn't know stevia came flavored.

 

[Switched]

I found a drop or two pf marhmallow does the trick without masking the flavour(s)

 

[Kate51]

Thanks for the reply. I didn't know stevia came flavored.

The Stevia is a colorless liquid concentrated, I should have said I use a caramel flavor concentrate (like vanilla, only caramel) and it's better used with a sweetener so I add stevia to it. It's very strong, only takes a drop in 10ml of juice.

 

[Kurt]

Kate, how long have you been using stevia? I am wondering if it gums up the attys. Stevia contains REAALLY big molecules that IMHO may not vaporize well, and could decompose on the coil. This has been the reason for my reluctance to use it.

 

[Kate51]

Kurt, it hasn't seemed to, and have been using it awhile, but do you have any info regarding Stevia's counterparts? You're talking outside my expertise!

 

[Kurt]

Here is what wiki says:

Stevia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the root compound steviol is shown. In the plant sugar groups attach to the OHs:

Steviol glycoside - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

its the attached sugars that make it sweet. stevioside is a really big molecule to vaporize, but some probably is ejected with the boiling vg or pg. if it isn't clogging anything yet, ok, but I am surprised it isn't. for the same reason sugar should not be vaped...this is like several sugars all in one molecule. I don't think it is harmful. Its, at least to me, certainly better than apartame or sucralose (chlorocarbon...tough on the liver)

I was going to try ethyl maltol, or marshmallow flavor...I think they are the same thing.

 

[sjohnson]

I approve of the use of Stevia.

Signed, Steve (ia) Johnson. With a name like that, must be good. Heh!

 

[Kate51]

Kurt, Ethyl Maltol is not the same thing. I use that too, for my tobacco absolute dilution.
Stevia in concentrated liquid form does not seem to clog attys, although if they get sluggish I clean them with Everclear. They do gum up a bit, but I believe that is from VG as well.

 

[Seabrook]

Thank you, I appreciate everyone's input. Since I started this thread, I've googled flavored stevia and have found that there is such a creature. But, I think I'll just stick to the basic unflavored. I don't want to get my atty all jacked up. But I have a spare to try the straight stevia on.

I ordered some TV Atomic Cinnacide 48mg and a doubler. I don't know what I was thinking at the time, as I barely even know how to vape. I guess I was having a confident moment, heh heh. Anyway, I downloaded the two DIY calculators to see if I could do this.

The question is: Is this the correct forum to come back to if I get stuck? Please and thank you.

 

[Kate51]

Yes, the DIY is the place, there's always someone lurking about in here and love answering the hard questions. Do some digging through some of the older threads, to familiarize yourself with the numerous ways there are to make your own juices, because you'll save a ton of money and always have your fixings on hand, no worry about mail orders getting lost. Lots of helpful stuff.
Here's an older link I like to keep bringing back all the time, lots of knowledge and time and money and effort spent in this one:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...t-tobacco-flavor-so-far-full-credit-nuck.html

Best of luck to you!
kate

 

[Seabrook]

Yes, the DIY is the place, there's always someone lurking about in here and love answering the hard questions. Do some digging through some of the older threads, to familiarize yourself with the numerous ways there are to make your own juices, because you'll save a ton of money and always have your fixings on hand, no worry about mail orders getting lost. Lots of helpful stuff.
Here's an older link I like to keep bringing back all the time, lots of knowledge and time and money and effort spent in this one:


Best of luck to you!
kate

Thanks so much Kate. The link is still over my head at this time, but I'm going to come back here and start digging for info as you suggested. Looks like there's sure plenty of it. The best part of lagging behind everybody else and just recently learning about the e-cig is that I don't have to do research -- all you nice people have already done it. All I have to do is pour myself a glass of wine, get my PV filled and read. Thanks to you all. The website is really a blessing to newbs like myself.

 

[g123456e]

Here is what wiki says:

Stevia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the root compound steviol is shown. In the plant sugar groups attach to the OHs:

Steviol glycoside - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

its the attached sugars that make it sweet. stevioside is a really big molecule to vaporize, but some probably is ejected with the boiling vg or pg. if it isn't clogging anything yet, ok, but I am surprised it isn't. for the same reason sugar should not be vaped...this is like several sugars all in one molecule. I don't think it is harmful. Its, at least to me, certainly better than apartame or sucralose (chlorocarbon...tough on the liver)

I was going to try ethyl maltol, or marshmallow flavor...I think they are the same thing.

Kurt,

Do you think using Sucralose to sweeten E juice is a bad idea? Are those molecules too big to vape and possibly clog an atty? Or is there another reason you said you would prefer Stevia over it? Woundn't think vapor would go through the liver. Tasty Vapor sells sucralose for this purpose and I have used it but wondered about it clogging an atty.

PS Like your quote, so true...

 

[Kate51]

Thanks so much Kate. The link is still over my head at this time, but I'm going to come back here and start digging for info as you suggested. Looks like there's sure plenty of it. The best part of lagging behind everybody else and just recently learning about the e-cig is that I don't have to do research -- all you nice people have already done it. All I have to do is pour myself a glass of wine, get my PV filled and read. Thanks to you all. The website is really a blessing to newbs like myself.

Seabrook, my best advice is to just order your supplies, and just do!
I really wanted a good, REAL tobacco flavor, not some 'facsimile' flavor, so ordered my absolute (made from leaves of tobaccum rustica, very thick like sap and very expensive but lasts forever, and the flavor/aroma is fabulous, like my Grampa's pipe!) then a quart of Everclear (170Proof grain alcohol, a little for me and some to dissolve the absolute of rustica in!) and it was off to the races. Or, there are a lot of ready to use flavors available, no mixing or prepping needed, must say the market has exploded since I started doing DIY in June last year. Oh, and the Everclear is the best thing to rinse out sluggish atomizers, also. As it's 'grain' alcohol, it won't hurt you if you ingest a drop or two.
Very very basic, if you can follow a cooking or baking recipe you can do this. I figure I'm saving about 75% off the cost of ready made. So very worth it.
If it's any comfort, it scared me to death too. My husband still thinks I'm going to hurt myself, so I got some HazMat flags to put up in the kitchen. The only thing is to be careful using and storing the Nic-laced unflavored juice, which everyone knows can be dangerous.

 

[yanks21]

Kurt,

Do you think using Sucralose to sweeten E juice is a bad idea? Are those molecules too big to vape and possibly clog an atty? Or is there another reason you said you would prefer Stevia over it? Woundn't think vapor would go through the liver. Tasty Vapor sells sucralose for this purpose and I have used it but wondered about it clogging an atty.

PS Like your quote, so true...

Since e-liquid vendors like Tasty Vapor use and/or sell Sucralose it should be fine.

Interesting to hear people are using Stevia as I have some and was hesitant because as I use the bottle to sweeten my coffee some accumulates around the rim and does get a bit gummy . . . I'll have to try it.

Thanks!

 

[Kate51]

I see Stevia in sugar crystal form in stores a lot, but I don't use sweetner in coffee. I'll have to try some of the liquid in my occasional China black tea, see if I can detect any residue.
I don't like to be wrong, that doesn't mean I never am!
Again, though, I only use less than a drop in my 10ml of juice, it's pretty strong.
So probably not enough to do any harm. I've made an 8 oz glass of lemonade with just a couple drops in it, and it was sweet enough.

 

[sjohnson]

I've not tried Stevia (I'm looking for LESS sweet in my vape, not more) but do have the "pure" crystalline form here. 1/64th tsp or less in a half gallon of water is almost too sweet. Potent sweetener!

 

[Seabrook]

Seabrook, my best advice is to just order your supplies, and just do!

a quart of Everclear (170Proof grain alcohol, a little for me and some to dissolve the absolute of rustica in!)

Oh, and the Everclear is the best thing to rinse out sluggish atomizers, also.

The only thing is to be careful using and storing the Nic-laced unflavored juice, which everyone knows can be dangerous.

Order my supplies? I didn't know I had to order supplies. I thought I could get them from the pharmacy. Where do most people order them from? I'll get right on it.

Everytime I hear the word Everclear, I LMAO. I have a friend who drank it one night and got sick. She couldn't get her motorcycle helmet off. Her boyfriend nearly ripped her head off rescuing her. eeeew.

Now do you do the coke soak before you rinse the atomizer with Everclear or afterwards?

Storing the nic-laced unflav. juice? I thought you just threw it in the fridge in a brown paper bag so the light doesn't affect it. And when you use some out of the bottle, you have to keep putting it in a smaller bottle so there's no air in it -- to increase shelf life from oxidation. Is that wrong?

Thanks Kate for all the info. Oh, and don't worry about me, I have plenty of eJuice to last me until I learn how to do this. I'm going to dig through all the threads first.