Reading comments on the proposed FDA Regs... You people worry me

[ClippinWings]

So I was browsing, the comments posted to regulations.gov

I am stunned by the number of comments by vapers that don't seem to understand the products they use, the terminology related to those products, or the proposed regulations themselves.

but for the sake of keeping this post short, I'll just point out some terminology that I saw that makes vapers look ignorant and uneducated.

I am a "vaper who vapes and inhales vapor while doing so."

I do not use my "vapes to make vaper"

and I am certainly not "a vapor who loves smoking my ecig"

It's mind boggling to me how a vaper could not understand these basic concepts.

Look, I get that some terms are generational, or maybe even regional, I can see calling a vaporizer a "vape". I mean, it makes you sound ignorant to me, but I understand it. I do not understand not being able to differentiate between "vapor" and "vaper".

Sorry, just had to vent as I was reading comments and wondering why some people even bothered. Many seem almost absurdly bad. I began to wonder if ANTZ were posting comments just to make Vapers look like uneducated simpletons who couldn't possibly have the mental capacity to determine what may or may not be in their own best interest.

 

[Bolivar]

Syntax, grammar and vocabulary have not been a priority in education for many years. Functional illiterates are much easier to produce rather than educated students.

 

[Susan~S]

I feel your pain. I see the same on this forum in many posts as well. I often wonder "is this individual old enough to vape?" or did they just sleep through their K-12 education.

 

[Equilibrium]

I dunno... but education is changing for sure!

PE used to be required to graduate. Not anymore. No wonder people are overweight

AND... some schools aren't even teaching cursive handwriting anymore; typing instead.

I remember learning how to porperly address an envelope in school. My son didn't; I had to teach him.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

I dunno... but education is changing for sure!

PE used to be required to graduate. Not anymore. No wonder people are overweight

AND... some schools aren't even teaching cursive handwriting anymore; typing instead.

I remember learning how to porperly address an envelope in school. My son didn't; I had to teach him.

I actually wish my son's school would eliminate cursive writing. No one seems to use it anymore, and I believe the kids would benefit more from gym and recess. They've been chipping away at that to get all the kids passing common core exams here, and my son is one who visibly benefits from an opportunity to let of some steam. How many 8 year old boys can sit through 6 hours of school without it? Most of the boys in his class are being labeled as having some form of ADHD, but from the numbers alone I'd say that they're BOYS. There's nothing wrong with them.

EDIT: Hit post before I was done. Anyway, the school has made cursive writing a summer thing now. Parents were to teach it this year, but I work Monday through Friday and I have a two hour commute. My husband works a lot during the summer as well (catering), plus he has dyslexia so much of the school work needs to be left to me. We have a two year old who takes up much of our time if only one parent is home at a time, and my son himself suffers from dysgraphia. His handwriting is so bad they gave him a laptop for his notes during class. He is otherwise an excellent student and one of three kids that they think was able to pass the common core exam in his class. I'm considering writing a note to the school, asking them if they were kidding about the cursive writing. They apparently don't have the time to teach it, they had better not be testing my son on it. /rant

 

[Just Me]

I dunno... but education is changing for sure!

PE used to be required to graduate. Not anymore. No wonder people are overweight

AND... some schools aren't even teaching cursive handwriting anymore; typing instead.

I remember learning how to porperly address an envelope in school. My son didn't; I had to teach him.

Porperly? Hahaha, just had to! I know it was a typo. Sorry!

Somewhere in a thread, I mentioned dual use. When I re-read it later, I had spelled it duel use. Too late to correct it by then. It happens!

 

[Zealous]

I get what you're saying OP. However I wouldn't judge those who commented too harshly. This morning alone I read 3 different news sites and all 3 had grammatical/typographical errors in at least 1 article. If those that are being paid to write are failing in this area then it's not really a surprise the general public is.

P.S. I had to edit this stupid post 3 times to catch my typos so apparently I suck at this too lol.

 

[xibxang]

As long as it gets the message across from as many horses' mouths as possible, I give two thumbs up. Too fumms!

 

[Worzel]

I am a vapor who voops with my vape but if my vaper dont help me voop i can always drink the glycerine becase it taste like blueberries! Freeeee fumbs up!

 

[Megs]

While we're on the subject of things vapers type..



I try not to be judgy because not everyone has had the same opportunities I have, but I still cannot help picturing this every time someone types 'duel coil'.

Also, conversationally I see nothing wrong with 'vape' but in an FDA comment? Eesh.

 

[ClippinWings]

I get what you're saying OP. However I wouldn't judge those who commented too harshly. This morning alone I read 3 different news sites and all 3 had grammatical/typographical errors in at least 1 article. If those that are being paid to write are failing in this area then it's not really a surprise the general public is.

P.S. I had to edit this stupid post 3 times to catch my typos so apparently I suck at this too lol.

No, it was beyond just grammar and well into full blown ignorance.

The grammar was annoying , the 'dumb' was depressing. LOL

 

[InTheShade]

While we're on the subject of things vapers type..

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I try not to be judgy because not everyone has had the same opportunities I have, but I still cannot help picturing this every time someone types 'duel coil'.

Also, conversationally I see nothing wrong with 'vape' but in an FDA comment? Eesh.

rap - how many raps on that duel coil fiddy?

 

[AndriaD]

I actually wish my son's school would eliminate cursive writing. No one seems to use it anymore, and I believe the kids would benefit more from gym and recess. They've been chipping away at that to get all the kids passing common core exams here, and my son is one who visibly benefits from an opportunity to let of some steam. How many 8 year old boys can sit through 6 hours of school without it? Most of the boys in his class are being labeled as having some form of ADHD, but from the numbers alone I'd say that they're BOYS. There's nothing wrong with them.

EDIT: Hit post before I was done. Anyway, the school has made cursive writing a summer thing now. Parents were to teach it this year, but I work Monday through Friday and I have a two hour commute. My husband works a lot during the summer as well (catering), plus he has dyslexia so much of the school work needs to be left to me. We have a two year old who takes up much of our time if only one parent is home at a time, and my son himself suffers from dysgraphia. His handwriting is so bad they gave him a laptop for his notes during class. He is otherwise an excellent student and one of three kids that they think was able to pass the common core exam in his class. I'm considering writing a note to the school, asking them if they were kidding about the cursive writing. They apparently don't have the time to teach it, they had better not be testing my son on it. /rant

I completely agree with you about the benefit of letting kids be kids and run around and holler; that's what kids are supposed to do! It doesn't mean they have some "condition," it means they're in good health, well-fed, and in good spirits! Our son very definitely had the signs of ADD, inability to focus and difficulty switching tasks, but none of that ADHD thank you very much, and none of that medication, either! I often had to "ground" him to get him to do his homework, but his groundings consisted of no video games and no TV, but I never stopped him from going outside for at least a couple hours after school, to work off some of that natural energy, get some fresh air, and just *be a kid* -- and I certainly never grounded him from books either; if he was going to do anything other than homework, at least it was reading something. My son had his own issues with handwriting, and even printing, but some people never have good handwriting, it doesn't necessarily mean they have something wrong with them, and when a 10 yr old is reading at an 11th grade level, I know durn well there's nothing wrong with him!!

And you're right, all they really teach in school anymore is how to pass a test. My son got a lot more education at home, reading, watching interesting shows on Nova and Discovery and History Channel, going to the library, and real-life stuff like staying up to watch meteor showers, going on class and chorus trips, and going on all sorts of trips with his grandparents. All of life is not found in a book or a classroom!

Andria

 

[Despraci]

Four words, No child left behind.

 

[nasca]

here's the thing: people have always been stupid.

we're all just self-deluded naked monkeys running around a rock projected through space and no one knows why or how or what happens next. even those trained in proper monkey communication and those have expensive, framed pieces of paper on their fancy walls are idiots, too. they're just harder to spot with all their costumes and mannerisms, but stupid just the same.

so, if a general call is made to write a near-essay to those monkeys closer to the power structure, you're going to see a full spectrum of stupidity. But it doesnt actually matter since these essays wont actually be read or of consequence. If you think they will be, then perhaps you're stupid, too.

 

[M Onan Batterload]

here's the thing: people have always been stupid.

we're all just self-deluded naked monkeys running around a rock projected through space and no one knows why or how or what happens next. even those trained in proper monkey communication and those have expensive, framed pieces of paper on their fancy walls are idiots, too. they're just harder to spot with all their costumes and mannerisms, but stupid just the same.

so, if a general call is made to write a near-essay to those monkeys closer to the power structure, you're going to see a full spectrum of stupidity. But it doesnt actually matter since these essays wont actually be read or of consequence. If you think they will be, then perhaps you're stupid, too.

Pehaps I'm stupid then. I think those who did nothing did nothing of consequence.

 

[dr g]

Dumb peoples' votes count the same as smart peoples'.

 

[-Redd-]

So I was browsing, the comments posted to regulations.gov

I am stunned by the number of comments by vapers that don't seem to understand the products they use, the terminology related to those products, or the proposed regulations themselves.

but for the sake of keeping this post short, I'll just point out some terminology that I saw that makes vapers look ignorant and uneducated.

I am a "vaper who vapes and inhales vapor while doing so."

I do not use my "vapes to make vaper"

and I am certainly not "a vapor who loves smoking my ecig"

It's mind boggling to me how a vaper could not understand these basic concepts.

Look, I get that some terms are generational, or maybe even regional, I can see calling a vaporizer a "vape". I mean, it makes you sound ignorant to me, but I understand it. I do not understand not being able to differentiate between "vapor" and "vaper".

Sorry, just had to vent as I was reading comments and wondering why some people even bothered. Many seem almost absurdly bad. I began to wonder if ANTZ were posting comments just to make Vapers look like uneducated simpletons who couldn't possibly have the mental capacity to determine what may or may not be in their own best interest.

Then you'll also understand how I feel when I read 'vapor' when it should be 'vapour'.

 

[SleeZy]

Maybe it's ANTZ who submitted such comments? To make us look bad and unenlightened.

Regarding the english language and grammar. My english is far from perfect, but i still think i'm decent on it.
English isn't my native language either so, but i tend to write more english than swedish nowadays.

 

[DoubleEwe]

here's the thing: people have always been stupid.

we're all just self-deluded naked monkeys running around a rock projected through space and no one knows why or how or what happens next. even those trained in proper monkey communication and those have expensive, framed pieces of paper on their fancy walls are idiots, too. they're just harder to spot with all their costumes and mannerisms, but stupid just the same.

so, if a general call is made to write a near-essay to those monkeys closer to the power structure, you're going to see a full spectrum of stupidity. But it doesnt actually matter since these essays wont actually be read or of consequence. If you think they will be, then perhaps you're stupid, too.

I think you mean 'less hairy' rather than naked (unless you are a naturist).

I agree to some extent with what you said, I do believe that the comments will not be read (at least not entirely), but I do believe that the volume of individuals responding is key to making a difference. If enough people 'kick up a fuss' about something it should mean that their collective argument is at least taken seriously.

As for the illiterate masses, I am with the OP in thinking that poor use/grasp of language is detrimental to the argument made.

I worked for an examinations board for a number of years and have seen first hand the decrease in writing standards, much more exams are becoming multiple choice or single word answers so that this decrease is not reflected in the school's examination results. As others have said, the education system now is all about statistics (schools wanting to look good in terms of student grades) rather than actually 'learning' the subjects.

Students are taught parrot fashion (taught to repeat set answers to given questions). The children are simply prepped for the exams and rarely learn anything that deviates from what will appear on the tests.

It is a shame, but it once again boils down to money rather than education. Schools receive grants (etc) based on their performance, so therefore have to play the 'exams game'. The students suffer along with ultimately society as a whole.



*A wise man knows that he knows nothing*