Have you heard of Green World products? I have two the G300 and the G400. I started with KR808s because I liked the two piece design. but after using them a while I was spending so much time cleaning them and I started throwing them away because they tasted BURNT. I thought the Green World products were too expensive, until I added up what I spent on the KR808s. I have 10 G400 carts and 10 G300 carts I have been using them for 3 months and have only used 5 of each. The G400s open easily and I clean and refill them. A refill of the G400 lasts more than a day. The G300s I drip 3-5 drops in the battery end and they work well.
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They are if you buy them from Green World site. (My god! they really over charge.) I got my G400 for $60 and the G300 for $65. The carts cost more than KR808 but they seem to last forever. Nhaler has them them as well as others.
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510 is more common with drippers and kr808 is more common with cartomizers. In the end you can get adapters to go to different threads. I personally would choose a PV based off of size, look, voltage, price, and battery life that you want. Then if you decide you want a different connection, just buy an adapter.
Personally I will stick with the 808, plenty of options out there and my tackle box is full enough of odds and ends lol
I have a Kr8 and I love it but I'm getting tired of the constant bat recharging (I pretty much chain vape). Hubby uses the Elegant Easy and I hijack it when I can. I've ordered a Joye eGo from Liberty-Flights and some Boge cartomizers for it. I can't wait! This way I will be able to try both a cartomizer and a atty/cart on it and see what I prefer.
If you're looking to keep using your kr8 stuff, you could get a PigCig from LeCig. Same idea as the eGo, but for kr8 PVs.
I would recommend that you look at the Defender from VaporNine.com. It is basically a Riva/eGo with 808 threads. This would allow you to use the same cartridges, atomizers, cartomizers, etc. that fit your current batteries. That way you don't end up with a box of junk that you don't use anymore, and if you ever find the need for the smaller battery again you will already have the cartos on hand. I've got a Defender and love it. Great battery life, great vapor, and great throat hit.
FYI - for about $4 you can also get a 901-510 adapter at Totally Wicked. This will screw onto your KR808 D-1 and allow you to use most attys/carts/etc. for most 510's. The reason I say most is that although larger type, such as those used on a Tornado, Inferno, etc., will screw on and fit with these adapters - these larger ones are made in combo with a cone that is used to slip or screw over the holes on these larger battery housings and are part of the air-flow design. That said, they can still be used but not as effectively.
Anyway, this will allow you to play around with other carts/cartos to see what they are like. You won't be able to determine the total picture as each battery/atty/cart or carto combo affects the experience, but you can see what the others are like before you buy.
Re the KR808 cartos - note that this filler material can burn when too dry. You inhale that, so keep your carto moist. Also note that you are refilling something you had in your mouth and you can't wash these things so there is a question as to saliva bacteria getting in there.
I find the 510 filler-types a pain in the * to refill and think I waste too much juice. These, however, can be washed, dried and reused so there is going to be less of a bacteria issue.
I think the ultimate choice, without going into mods, are the ceramic carts, or the new clear carts, or the Tornado Tank cart. The Tornado Tank cart, however, is one of the larger/cone combos I mentioned above. So, with a $4 fitting you can try any of the ceramic or clear carts mentioned above and several places sell them. This way you are not buying a new charger and battery for a 510 now while you search for the type of cart you prefer refilling. Several sellers list the ohm readings for the clear carts so you can try different ones and see how that affects your pleasure. This might help you learn the differences but the actual battery to atty or carto combo is going to also affect it.
I can take my Inferno 650 pass through with a 510 atty and drip tip and the throat hit is much stronger than if I use my clear carto on it -both with the same juice. You might consider this pass through as your next purchase because when charged you can remove it from the PC cord, screw on the bottom cover and use it as a regular mobile PV.
At the very least, this $4 adapter will allow you to start learning a bit more before you go on to buy another kit.
I'm still trying to figure out this throat hit thing. I am still learning as I'm only 3 months into this. That said, I own KR8's 510's, Infernos, Tornados. My collection after 2 months is on TheEcigJournal front page - but I need to provide an updated photo as I have several more batteries and a few chargers to add. I know the vapor adjusts with the type of PG/VG combo as well as the voltage of the battery. I think throat hit varies with the atty as well as the brand of juice. I say juice because there are some that almost burn and I think (please someone correct me where I'm wrong), I think people associate this burn with TH. The heat of the TH comes from the atty ohm and how it works in combo with the battery voltage used.
While I said I would never spend that kind of money on a PV, I think the variable voltage type is in my future. As for the logo below - that amount saved is really several figures into the negative if you count money spent on Ecigs. I leave it there to amuse me.
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The main diference between the two the besides the threads is that a KR808 runs at 3.7 volts and the 510 batteries run at a modulated 3.2 volts. Meaning you will get a hotter vape with more smoke, hit and flavor on the same ohm atty or carto with a KR808. The numbers 808 and 510 refer to the type of thread.
The 510 thread which includes the Ego and Riva and the KR808 are the most popular batteries on this forum. The advantage of The KR808 for a beginner is that there is a large variety of pre-filled cartomizers and flavors for it. While the 510 thread have a lot more types and sizes in batteries. With a 510 it would be better to start by getting juice and fill your own attys or cartos.
If you want to see why this matters read:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/joye-510/65055-battery-voltages-surprise-10.html
Glad if I helped. It's still more than a bit overwhelming for me.
If you use 808s, the PigCig is your big battery solution. Great unit too. You won't be sorry you got one. Nuff said.
Otherwise, stay with the 808 battys. Ya might want to get some extra long ones as they last quite awhile for me.
Otherwise, stay with the 808 battys. Ya might want to get some extra long ones as they last quite awhile for me.
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I have a PigCig and realized that my V4L k48 cartos don't work on it due to the design. I contacted LeCig and they're looking into designing an adapter, but for now just because the threads are k48-compatible doesn't mean everything works.
That said, I love my PigCig and highly recommend picking one up and some mega cartos to go with it.
That said, I love my PigCig and highly recommend picking one up and some mega cartos to go with it.
The "throat hit thing" is not complicated at all. Good throat hit is a product of a warmth of vapor and nic strength, plain and simple. Warmth of vapor is a product of a much better battery which translates to 5 volt or variable volt batteries. Better battery/nic strength accounts for 99% of TH. There is a reason why so many vet vapers use 5 volt/VV devices.
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Unfortunately it's not that simple. A higher voltage on the same atomizer or carto will give you a more intense vape. More smoke, more flavor up to a point. and hotter vapor. It also depends on the resistance in ohms of the carto or atomizer. The reason is that more voltage puts more watts or power to the coil hence more liquid is vaporized at a higher temperature. A lower ohm carto will do the same thing draw more watts or power from the battery to the coil. The size of the battery also makes a difference. A battery less than 900 milliamps will not produce enough power to get the full benefit of a low resistance carto. You will also shorten the battery life. I use Egos and KR808 XLs on 2,0 ohm atomizers but I am aware of the risks.
The pg/vg ratio also plays a part. Pv gives more hit, vg more smoke. Nicotine and flavors in the juice will also make a difference. On a KR808 and a 3.0 ohm carto I barely get any hit or flavor from some juices. Put the same juice on a 2.5 ohm carto and I am in vapors heaven. With other juices the 3.0 ohm carto is where I want to be. That same juice on a 2.5 ohm may make my throat sore and give more hit than I can stand.
To make it even more complicated attys and cartos from different manufacturers also make a considerable difference. A CE2 is very different from a filler type Boge at the same ohms. There's more but I think that is enough for today.
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