rebuildables?

[livingstonii]

Its been a little bit since ive looked into tank systems and now im hearing alot about rebuildables. I understand how they work ive just never used or seen one in person. So my question is wheres the best place to start? Is their a rebuildable atty for dummies? Also where should I start looking for one? Is rebuildable atty what im looking for? Wheres the best plaplace for supplies? I have a new provari showing up to my door step tomorrow so thats what ill be useing so any good ones for the provari? I appreciate the help! vape on!

 

[Crash Moses]

I use an AGA-T2 on my Provari (using it right now in fact). It's inexpensive and a good place to start. Phil Busardo recommends the RSST for beginners. He also has a video on wicking that I used to make my first one. You can see his videos on YouTube or his website TasteYourJuice.com.

 

[Baditude]

The Z Atty Pro is a Genesis-style RBA tank designed exclusively for the Provari, but it has a healthy price tag and is not always available on the Provape website. There are less expensive options to get started in RBA's. My first two, and only two so far, are the AGA T plus which are available here for under $25. Electronic Cigarette | E Cigarette | myvaporstore

PBusardo did two lengthy videos on the AGA. This one shows the actual setup: A PBusardo Review - The AGA-T(s) - Part 2 - Assembly & Building Tutorial - YouTube

However, the most helpful video for me was the one Zen did for the ZAP at Provape: Z-ATTY-PRO Rebuildable Atomizers For ProVari - YouTube

If you can locate eHuman's blog here on ECF, he has a wealth of information on the AGA T. He was my mentor.


I do recommend that you have an everyday juice delivery device in use while you experiement with your first rebuildable. They often don't work right out of the box or with the first wick and coils that you make. Quite a learning curve involved, thus they are often not recommended for beginners.

 

[MMarie]

Generally speaking, websites that sell rebuildables will list them under "RBA." Personally, I'm partial to the genesis style atomizers.

The RSST has some features that eliminate a few of the shorting issues a beginner may have with the AGA-Ts when using stainless steel mesh for wicking material, but it may or may not be compatible with all tank-cracking juices. The AGA-Ts are either sold with, or have an option for, pyrex tanks. Although they are a bit more difficult to set up, once you learn the setup on the AGA-T, the others will be as easy or easier.

eHuman's blog is located here.

 

[ProvariGuy]

I'm new at the re-buildable atomizer thing, but since I had 2 ProVari Minis, I decided to INVEST in the Z Atty Pro (ZAP) by ProVape. Even as a beginner, I'm experiencing the best vape of my life with my ZAPs. I've simply watched the videos from ProVape, ZEN, PBusardo, etc., and am not having a steep learning curve. The ZAPs are top-of-the-line, no doubt, but the cheaper RBAs ($30 vs $150), the AGA-Ts, the DIDs, RSST might be worth trying, just to see if you want to INVEST in RBAs.

 

[Oktyabr]

I stepped into RBA's by rebuilding the heads on my clearos and vivi's first, just to see if I had the patience and aptitude for such things. Then I moved up my first RDA (an A7 dripper) and since then have added many more RDAs to the collection as well. Finally I took the plunge on my first AGA-T2, to attempt the SS mesh wick learning curve. I thought about a more expensive one if the AGA worked out but it worked out *so well* that I ordered a second one and am planning a third one too. Also helped a buddy of mine get his AGI up and running with mesh. I've rolled maybe five mesh wicks and recoiled a couple of those more than once. The start of the learning curve may seem steep but once you have all those little coils glowing at the same time once, the rest of the attempts get easier and easier...

My clearos and vivis now collect dust, as emergency backups I suppose

 

[Clearo-Mizer]

I agree with most of the above....my recomendation for a new rebuilder would be a 25 dollar Aga-t....BEFORE you drop the 150 on a Zen...the 25 dollar investment may yeild a distaste for rebuilding...but one thing for sure...an aga will teach you to build correctly..
it will teach you proper mesh prep,rolling,trimming,oxidation,and installing so it does not ground out against the sides or bottom...and then it will teach you how to handle hot legs and ohm controll with your wrap and wire.

The rsst will not make you a proficient rebuilder...its almost to easy to "get away with sloppy builds"

Dont get me wrong...i really like my RSST...and i LOVE my Zen....bit neither of them would be a recomendation to a "new rebuilder"

 

[SissySpike]

They are all for dummy's;-) most of us new nothing or little of nothing, about Ohms VV/VW DC Current so on and so fourth. Just watch some youtube get the best Atty you can afford and you will do fine. Yes It takes a little practice and patience but really almost anyone can set up a geny RBA or tank such as an ODY Kayfun and their clones. All of these experts never wrapped a coil, Oxidized a wick untill a very short time ago.
Even the ones who understand electrical theory and application have been using it in this manner for a very short time. Do a little research watch some youtube tutorials and you will do just fine its what most of us have done.

 

[Crash Moses]

Something I've wondered is if there is a marked difference in the vape quality of an entry level RBA (such as the AGA-T2) and a higher end model (such as the ZAP). I've hunted around on the forum and even went back and rewatched some of Phil Busardo's videos and haven't found a comprehensive opinion one way or the other (although he does mention it briefly at the end of his AGA-T review and states simply there isn't a night and day difference...which would suggest there is some difference).

So, build quality and coil quality aside...is there? I've flirted with the idea of getting a ZAP but I'm concerned that the high cost would outweigh the benefits of owning a high end RBA.

 

[Clearo-Mizer]

Something I've wondered is if there is a marked difference in the vape quality of an entry level RBA (such as the AGA-T2) and a higher end model (such as the ZAP). I've hunted around on the forum and even went back and rewatched some of Phil Busardo's videos and haven't found a comprehensive opinion one way or the other (although he does mention it briefly at the end of his AGA-T review and states simply there isn't a night and day difference...which would suggest there is some difference).

So, build quality and coil quality aside...is there? I've flirted with the idea of getting a ZAP but I'm concerned that the high cost would outweigh the benefits of owning a high end RBA.

Crash I will be honest...its All about your build...your ohms-voltage and juice..if you wick is wicking like it should,finding your particular sweet spot is possible with any of the mentioned devises...

I may get frowned apon by the "zealots" but honestly there is not a noticeable difference between a good build on an aga (if its drilled to 1/16) and a good build on a Zen...BUT the Zen sure feels nice and looks very refined...but hey so does the RSST....Zen has a glass tank but so does the AGA...

I guess they all have their strengths and weakness's

the AGA needs to be drilled out for it to produce (for my taste) and needs to have a glass tank installed (mine came with one some dont)
chrome finish.

The RSST needs a glass tank ( not available yet) and needs drilling as well, very well done brushed stainless.

the Zen comes drilled and with glass but cost 4-6 times as much also a nice brushed stainless with a Zen logo laser etched into the top cap its only weakness is its price.

 

[qorax]

^^Well said. And sometimes that 'price' is quite a big factor for some of us in the initial foray.

 

[Unforeseen]

Moved to Assorted PV Topics - Rebuildable Atomizer Systems

 

[D4rk50ul]

I'm new at the re-buildable atomizer thing, but since I had 2 ProVari Minis, I decided to INVEST in the Z Atty Pro (ZAP) by ProVape. Even as a beginner, I'm experiencing the best vape of my life with my ZAPs. I've simply watched the videos from ProVape, ZEN, PBusardo, etc., and am not having a steep learning curve. The ZAPs are top-of-the-line, no doubt, but the cheaper RBAs, the ATA-Ts, the DIDs, might be worth trying, just to see if you want to pursue RBAs. They are wonderful, but are not for everyone.

I hope you were referring to DID clones as the real one from mmvapors.com is a far better genny than a zattypro.

 

[Crash Moses]

Crash I will be honest...its All about your build...your ohms-voltage and juice..if you wick is wicking like it should,finding your particular sweet spot is possible with any of the mentioned devises...

I may get frowned apon by the "zealots" but honestly there is not a noticeable difference between a good build on an aga (if its drilled to 1/16) and a good build on a Zen...BUT the Zen sure feels nice and looks very refined...but hey so does the RSST....Zen has a glass tank but so does the AGA...

I guess they all have their strengths and weakness's

the AGA needs to be drilled out for it to produce (for my taste) and needs to have a glass tank installed (mine came with one some dont)
chrome finish.

The RSST needs a glass tank ( not available yet) and needs drilling as well, very well done brushed stainless.

the Zen comes drilled and with glass but cost 4-6 times as much also a nice brushed stainless with a Zen logo laser etched into the top cap its only weakness is its price.

Roger that. Much appreciated. I've had a positive experience with my AGA-T2 so I'll stick with that for now and save my pennies for a high-end model in the future.

 

[WattWick]

The RSST needs a glass tank ( not available yet)

Due to the oddly shaped tank I doubt we'll see any pyrex available for it. Shame really. I sort of want one, but don't want any plastic tanks. It's forgiveable on a Smoktech... but a plastic tank on a $200 Kayfun? That's plain rude, imho. I digress...

By the way, thanks for an honest view on high-end RBAs vs Aga.

 

[ProvariGuy]

Although the Z Atty Pro is quite expensive, one thing to consider, is that it matches up so nicely with the ProVaris, especially the Mini. It really does what no other RBA can do for the the ProVari, and that is to look like a VERY cool VV Hybrid.

 

[D4rk50ul]

Although the Z Atty Pro is quite expensive, one thing to consider, is that it matches up so nicely with the ProVaris, especially the Mini. It really does what no other RBA can do for the the ProVari, and that is to look like a VERY cool VV Hybrid.

http://www.405vaperz.com/hippo-cap/

That pretty much makes any rba look like a hybrid.

 

[Satava]

Honestly the RSST is only a few o-rings from being capable of having an AGA-style pyrex tube, but you'd lose your insulation on the bottom of the tank.

@OP- Check out the RSST+Natural combo over at Vaportekusa. They have a fantastic price for a mechanical+genesis combo and it's an awesome device to learn with. Be sure to buy flat-top batteries and only get high-drain. Panasonic 2250s are easy to get, but the ones that work for a provari(Button-top) will be too long for a natural.

The mechanical mod makes getting your coil burned in a 2 minute job instead of a 20 minute headache.

Best of luck!

 

[Rule62]

I use button top AWs in my Natural all the time.