Rebuilding a waste of time?

[Legolas]

I love to build my own coils. In my early days of vaping I would get that oh crap my atty is getting weak feeling. Then realizing I only had one replacement head left and mail would take a few days or more to arrive. No b&m in this area. I was forced to start building my own. After building a few successful builds that dread turned into a cool my coil is going bad, time to build a new one. She probably doesn't build or doesn't know how to build besides rehashing a sale is her business. If you don't know about building she would also have to answer questions about ohm's law batteries etc.. Do you really want advise from her on these things? There's not much money in kanthal and cotton I guess but a few more $'s in new replacement coils. Her loss

 

[turnippits]

love rebuilding hardest part is finding decent kanthol wire

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

She thinks that building is a waste of time, immature, just to show off, pointless,

Well, as the owner doesn't rebuilding actually hurt her bottom line since it's cheaper?

 

[Legolas]

Well, as the owner doesn't rebuilding actually hurt her bottom line since it's cheaper?

Well possibly but couldn't this also bring in more vapers. She could sell dripper rba rta mods etc.. New vapers only last so long and eventually move on to bigger and better gear. There will always be a niche for people who just want a cigalke or ego with a tank but damn she nuts not to capture as much as she can with vaping. If I owned a ice cream business I would sell more then just one scoop.

 

[suspectK]

Vaperev has a nice looking Asian woman on a video to show you how to build a kayfun with silica.

Rebuilding can cost a lot to get started with good gear, but I don't spend $2 on a tank or two with cartomizers anymore. I don't have to sacrifice flavor and vapor production because I don't eat to throw $2 away with a new cartomizer.. just change the wick with a dry burn. $6 for rolled cotton that could last a lifetime, and $16 for a kilogram of hemp.. that's about the same amount of rolled cotton. I was spending $30(low estimate) on cartomizers a month with liquids I liked..

When I started using 0.7-1ohm coils, I didn't consider dropping my nicotine content from 24. After a couple of weeks, I started gagging. I'm at 12 and 6, and I can't wait for 18350 batteries to come out that have 30 amp ratings, cuz I'll just use 0 then.. before mechanicals, I was fine with my 18650tubes and mvp.. now I don't want to use anything bigger than an 18490.. unless I'm "showing off.." in my house with an audience of one +2dogs.

 

[Ahoy]

Well, as the owner doesn't rebuilding actually hurt her bottom line since it's cheaper?

Not necessarily. My local B&M sells kanthal for a dollar a foot. Yeah. A dollar a foot. Lol! And people actually buy it, infact there was a kid who came in looking for kanthal and ALMOST bought 80 foot from the guy for 80 bucks! Me and the employee just looked at each other as the guy was deciding lol.

That and when you get into rebuildables there is a whole new level of vaping and product involved. You sell RDA's and so on and mech mods. This takes your shop to a whole new level and invites a different level vaper into your establishment which can, in turn, get you more business. Start small and see if the rebuildables sell and then go from there.

 

[ScottP]

The golden rule of retail: Give the customers the products they want at reasonable prices, in a warm and welcoming environment, and you can't help but be successful.

Sounds like this shop owner will not be very successful.

 

[BillyWJ]

So I used to work at a little B&M in WNY. Used to meaning I quit there yesterday because of a few reasons. Actually a bunch of reasons.

Unprofessional, grandiose, belittling owner to keep it brief.

Now the one major issue was her outlook on Rebuildables and Mechanical devices.

She thinks that building is a waste of time, immature, just to show off, pointless, and strictly a male thing. She actually has gone as far as telling customers some of these things when they ask about rba/rda supplies.

I myself take offense because of many obvious reasons, but mainly due to the fact that I love building, I own many mechs/rda devices, my own girlfriend builds, it's my hobby, and I enjoy the added vapor, flavor, and throat hit.

I understand that many start off with a basic ego kit and maybe upgrade to a VV/VW device and not go any further, which I believed I would do for a long time, but does that warrant such a negative attitude toward advancing?

There red was no reasoning and she thinks she is always right and knows what's best for everything and everyone. I won't get any further into it.

I'm just curious though, does anyone else think this way, whether or not you build?

I think it's an option, that some people enjoy doing. To each their own. I have my Kanger tanks and my IGO-W clean and empty right now because i found I don't enjoy it that much, I can do it, I need more practice, but I'm fine on my cartotanks right now. It's something i do once in a while, usually while watching a movie or something. I haven't pulled the trigger on a KayFun or Russian or Genesis because of that. I have nothing against them, but coils just aren't that fascinating to me.

But, one thing i would never say is that they're a waste of time. How other people fill their days is of no concern to me, and if they're happy building octogiganta 28 wrap coils, more power to them - I might even check the thread about it out.

 

[BillyWJ]

Tsk.

There's many reasons to rebuild, vape-quality being the most obvious - given the lack of QC on mass-produced Kanger etc. heads it's unsurprising that the vape experience with them can be underwhelming for many users. 5 minutes of Kanthal wrapping and some boiled cotton and you're in an entirely different league - and if you're looking for the best vapes out there then they're all rebuildables (Cartos/Tanks aside )

Cost is a factor too - I started rebuilding my Kanger heads (and rewicking my eGo-C attys) to cut my costs - I spend pennies on my gear now and it lasts me months.

Best to YOU. You have no idea how satisfying my carto tanks are for me, and I don't feel like I'm missing anything.

Sorry, i don't want to pick a fight, but this constant attitude that it's impossible to get a decent vape without using an RDA is really getting on my last nerve.

 

[BillyWJ]

** cleaning up **

Please keep stuff like this out of this forum, it doesn't belong here.

 

[UncleChuck]

That and when you get into rebuildables there is a whole new level of vaping and product involved. You sell RDA's and so on and mech mods. This takes your shop to a whole new level and invites a different level vaper into your establishment which can, in turn, get you more business. Start small and see if the rebuildables sell and then go from there.

This seems to be ignored by some retailers.

When using eGos, APVs, clearos, cartos, etc your recurring cost is cartos, coil heads, etc. A dollar or two a piece at most.

When using mechs and rebuildables your (major) recurring costs are... more mechs and rebuildables! Just because they are so cool you want more.

I've heard more than a few people talk as if rebuilding is a threat to vendors, since you just go to Temco and get a ton of cheap wire instead of buying cartos and clearos. But they don't realize there is probably more stuff to sell to a mech/rba user than a apv/clearo user.

Switch upgrades, different colored tubes, ohm checkers, coil jigs, various different wicks, things like the Kick and crown, the list seems endless. Like you said it opens up a whole new level, and in general mech/rba users are more willing to drop big dollars on stuff, sounds great for vendors to me, as long as they are decent vendors that understand you need to cater to your customer, not control your customer.

 

[flexsr]

Shes 100 percent right - lets give china all our money for their crappy atomizers and not build our own.

Unbelievable

 

[rurwin]

If you use microcoils (i personally don't) then it's hard to see how to get this wrong, maybe garotte yourself with the wire?

I found a unique way of getting it wrong. Make the coil too small for an EVOD, so you dont get enough wick through it and it leaks. Then try to clear the leak by blowing it, whereupon the wick is drawn right out of the wick holes. After that it leaks really well.

Making the coil is the easy part. Getting the resistance right for your taste and getting it wicked right are what takes time and experience.

It's her shop; she gets to decide. In my view you don't have to like or use the stuff you sell. It could get tricky giving advice and buying in the right stock if you never use the stuff yourself. In that case I would find a sales assistant who does.

 

[Chrisnotes86]

So I used to work at a little B&M in WNY. Used to meaning I quit there yesterday because of a few reasons. Actually a bunch of reasons.

Unprofessional, grandiose, belittling owner to keep it brief.

Now the one major issue was her outlook on Rebuildables and Mechanical devices.

She thinks that building is a waste of time, immature, just to show off, pointless, and strictly a male thing. She actually has gone as far as telling customers some of these things when they ask about rba/rda supplies.

I myself take offense because of many obvious reasons, but mainly due to the fact that I love building, I own many mechs/rda devices, my own girlfriend builds, it's my hobby, and I enjoy the added vapor, flavor, and throat hit.

I understand that many start off with a basic ego kit and maybe upgrade to a VV/VW device and not go any further, which I believed I would do for a long time, but does that warrant such a negative attitude toward advancing?

There red was no reasoning and she thinks she is always right and knows what's best for everything and everyone. I won't get any further into it.

I'm just curious though, does anyone else think this way, whether or not you build?

I want to chime in on this one.

As more solid, customer driven stores pop up, stores like the one you just quit will be filtered out. Those type of owners are and will continue to give vaping a bad rap- especially to smokers trying to convert. It's the same with some of the smaller kiosks who want to make a quick buck and don't want to answer questions when a returning customer has a malfunctioning tank or wants to upgrade to something better. They just do not have the knowledge or drive to gain knowledge on these products. Unfortunately that will be the case for some time I believe.

The mentality is the main point. Vaping isn't viewed by many as a hobby, but merely a smoking alternative/replacement. Most of us here can embrace it the correct way and also know how to respond to these types of situations.

Embracing vaping as a hobby will help a B&M's overall success. Everybody is different, has their own style, taste, etc. etc.

I've stated earlier that I come from a pipe tobacco background and find a lot of similarities between it and vaping (when it comes to options, tastes, gear, blends etc.). Except that vaping is saving peoples lives and should be treated with a bit more care when a new customer/converter walks into the picture. It's crucial to spend time with your customers, ask questions, and try to find a solid option that caters to the individuals needs.

I'm cutting myself short because I tend to ramble.

 

[Steamix]

woooot ?! -

No kanthal wire in the UK ???

 

[chanellacortez]

Rebuilding is the exciting part for me. I'm a female and know a lot of other females that love rebuilding just as much as I do. She has her own opinion, and if that's how she wants to run her business then so be it. Some prefer rebuilding, some don't. There's a reason why Vaping comes with variety. But if anyone told me it's solely a male thing to do.. I would just laugh

 

[vaperature]

I'm just starting rebuilding, just with an Aga T2. It took me a while to get the hang of it but it was worth the challenge. Now that I have it working it really delivers some good flavor and packs a WHALLOP too. Nothing wrong with rebuilding if you have the time and the patience to work at it.

 

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

It's not just a male thing, I rebuild and love it and I'm a girly girl

 

[klynnn]

Well I'm an old girly girl and I rebuild all my novas. They work and that's all I care about. There is no greater feeling than hitting the kitchen and making up 2/3 hundred mls of liquid for the next month and then rebuilding all your coils at the dining room table. Since I have planned ahead it costs me very little. You will be very surprised what you can learn to do even if older.

 

[Downtownjeffbrown]

I love rebuilding. I'm not the greatest at it so far but I'm learning and I look at it as a hobby. My friends at work who I've introduced vaping to except one think it's a waste if time. To each their own but that owner is losing business acting that way.

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