Recommendation for Clove flavor?

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yvilla

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I want to make my own clove flavored liquid, but see that the LorAnn's clove is composed of natural clove leaf oil. Does anyone know the source of what is used to make the (scarce) pre-made clove liquid, and/or whether there is any other source for a decent clove flavoring that is not an oil?

If there is no non-oil based source, I may risk the health of an atomizer anyway, because I have really been wanting badly to try out some clove liquid.
 

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Thanks all.

I haven't tried any pre-made clove liquid yet. Have been planning to, and will, but this query is directed toward planning a more long-term DIY solution. (Aren't we all thinking along those lines?)

And Kate, thanks for the idea of an at home extraction. I hadn't thought of that for some reason. Liberate, any infomation you come up with will be greatly appreciated!
 

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Thanks for the lead Keltry. I just looked, and they do have clove listed both in their water soluble flavors, as well as in their oils. So that does seem like the one to try first, rather than the LorAnn's.

Will eagerly await your impressions!

Well, I got my Bickford's today and they awesome!

I also got some LorAnn as well from a local fudgery. I was not very impressed by them, not sweet at all very muted taste. I am using Walton's Glycerin which might be the cause,

I did try mixing the Bickford Peppermint and LorAnn Cherry together to get a Cherry Menthol and it seemd to work pretty well. It seemed to have more of a cherry flavor than the glycerin and cherry alone did.

I also mixed Bickford's Clove and Peppermint and was pleasantly suprised. I think its great flavor. Clove on the inhale and a nice minty flavor on the exhale.

To answer your question though. I highly recommend the Bickford Clove.

Tom
 

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Hi Tom, I've had mixed results from LorAnn flavours, some are very strong and yummy and some are weak. Just to let you know they are not all the same, you might have just tried one of the weak or non-yummy ones ;)

Maybe you could also try just leaving a clove bud in your eliquid bottle Yvilla and see if the flavour transfers.

That is a distinctly possible. I am going to try some more of the ones I got tomorrow to see if they are any better. I mainly was concerned that maybe since it wasn't vegetable glycerin if that would affect the flavor.
 

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I've got both Lorann and Bickford's clove flavor.

The Bickfords mixes well, but just isn't strong enough for my taste, even direct-drip full strength.

Don't try the Lorann's in anything but very LOW levels. It is an oil, but based on some of the other flavors I have, I'm guessing some of the "natural flavors" are probably oils too.

At low levels, it mixes well and thoroughly. I've found a mix of 1 drop per 10ml of base (Kate's recipe of 50/50 and about %5 Everclear as thinner) gives a good vape with a NICE clove on the exhale. Even better is mixing the above with some of Bickford's WS cinnamon flavor (about 50/50), this is awesome. It kinda brings out the clove flavor, and gives it a sweet/spicy undertone.

Beware, I am zero-nic, so I like LOTS of flavor, and the clove/cinnamon is becoming one of my fav's next to mint-chocolate.

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Clove Cigarettes: A uniquely Indonesian product, a blend of tobacco, dried cloves and a special sauce that varies with each of the 1,800 brands on the market.

Clove cigarettes also called kretek, are a mixture of 60% superior tobaccos and 40% clove spice, rolled into a cigarette.

Almost all of clove cigarettes are made in Indonesia, the origin country of clove cigarettes was invented. In Indonesia over 90% of all cigarettes consumed annually are clove cigarettes.

From:

[Kretek: The Culture and Heritage of Indonesia's Clove Cigarettes ] by Mark Hanusz, Equinox Publishing, Jakarta.

Hanusz has uncovered some remarkable details; from the complexity of Indonesia's tobacco industry, to the composition of a special sauce, which can include aniseed, rum and, of all things, extract of strawberries. Most manufacturers keep their sauce recipes secret. Perhaps just as well--although mild on the throat, kretek contains no less nicotine and tar than regular "white" cigarettes.

From: New York Times

KUDUS, Indonesia — It was one of those precious moments that seem to prove that life has meaning, a moment of inspiration — perhaps divine inspiration — that makes all the hard times seem worthwhile.

"All of a sudden, out of the blue, I had it," said Djoko Herryanto, a chemist whose mission it is to find the most delicious mixture of spices to enhance the taste of Indonesia's sweet-smelling clove cigarettes.

"Until this day, I don't know," he said. "Did this idea come from my technical knowledge? Or did it come from `wahyu,' a divine inspiration, a flash?"

Indeed, his new creation does seem beyond the imagining of ordinary men.

"A taste of banana mixed with cheese and sugar sauce together with chocolate, all toasted together," he said, still breathless when he thinks about it. "That's the flavor that came to me — Bam! — sweet, nutty, caramelic, fruity, everything!"

A blend of flavors like this may seem hard to imagine in a cigarette, but tens of millions of Indonesians are smoking sticks of candy like this every day. The clove cigarette, it turns out, is a great deal more than tobacco and cloves. It is a complex, infinitely variable symphony of scent and flavor.

This is where divine inspiration comes in: cinnamon, pineapple, licorice, coriander, litchi nut, coffee, strawberry — whatever delights the senses, sometimes in natural flavorings but usually (and more economically) in artificial flavors.
 
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