I have discovered a problem with the e-cig that I think can be solved. Here are my thoughts on these matters.
This relates to a regular e-cig or Ego, Riva, Joyce type shape e-cig
The problem is when the atty gets hot this also heats the e-juice. This causes the juice to get thinner and run into the atty, thus effectively flooding the atty even under normal use
Everybody talks about the dangers of making sure you keep the atty wet and the dangers of flooding the atty with drops but I have not heard anyone suggest you can flood the atty under normal use and this is what seems to be happening.
I think this happens because the heat of the atty slowly heats up the juice in the cart and causes it to get thinner and flow into the atty faster. This would also explain why if you let the e-cig sit for a long while and really cool down, the hits are better.
You see, I discovered that when I'm puffing away and the vapor just starts to get a harsh throat hit, if I (First) blow out the excess from the atty then, (Second) do a Very short dry burn ( Just to eat up the excess) then the atty will go back to delivering a smooth hit with good vapor. Sometimes I do this dry burn about 3 or 4 times each for a second, but I do it by tail-piping.
This harsh throat hit I speak of happens with normal use while puffing, not because I flooded the atty - I don't drip but only refill carts. This can happen when the carts are half empty.
Why tail-piping? Vapor, unlike smoke if not vented can cool and condense back into a liquid. If you just do a dry burn without sucking the vapor out, some can still wind up remaining in the atty.
Description of my tail-piping method after blowing out the atty:
I put my lips on the atty with the cart removed and while I suck lightly hitting the button for a second at a time. I hit the button in this manner no more than 3 or 4 times. That should be all that is required if the atty was blown out well enough before hand. You can see the excess juice being burned off of the atty. You do not want to keep this up long or hit the button for more than a second at a time because you will get the wick burning taste and you don't want that - then the atty is too dry. ( you don't have to inhale this vapor, just take it into your mouth and blow it back out - it's better this way so you can see the amount of vapor burning off the atty)
I'm glad I discovered that because I have been plagued with times when I would make a batch of DIY juice and thought the recipe was bad due to the throat hit being too harsh. I was adding a few drops to the atty as well as filing up the carts. It seems that may have been too much. Now those same harsh recipes are suddenly a lot more smooth like I wanted them to be.
Of course many of us has read highping's thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/69834-my-atty-resurrection-method.html And I do suggest you read it before going further.
This method only half worked because it does not discuss all of the reasons why the atty is failing, in the way that it should have.
I tried this method with 3 atty's that were not vaping correctly. These atty's were deemed dead by a professional. They were given to me by a local e-cig mall vendor who were throwing them away. All 3 atty's now work very well, way better than using Hiping's method alone.
Now that we have a better temporary solution IMO, we need to fix the problem.
We know the problem is caused by excess heat from the atty heating the juice in the cart and the inability of the atty to cleanly vape all the juice.
This extra heat is also what causes atty's to leak. Not all of the liquid is able to make good contact with the coil to get vaped off. The heat is so great that this liquid boils and expands and gets forced through the atty vent holes.
We can greatly minimize these effects by making the following modifications to the Electric Cigarette (in theory).
There seems to be a perfect balance needed between amount of vapor in the coil and the pace at which a given atty can vape it off. This is the Key.
Redesign the atty so liquid does not pool around the coil.
Redesign the atty so there is more surface area to vape the juice and spread the heat load.
Use a larger heat sink. (some models have no heat sink)
Redesign the e-juice so that it vapes at a lower temp and yet remains thicker longer
Cover metal body of atty where the cart goes (not over the coil end) with a large heat sink or heat sink putty. You don't want the juice in the cart to heat up as much.
Put a better barrier between the cart's juice and the atty so the warn juice does not run as freely into the atty when it gets warm. (Redesign the cart, cartomizer and or atty tube)
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If we could do all of the above, we can greatly improve the product IMO. This discussion does not even touch the added improvements of proper matching battery/power supply with the correct type and resistance varible of the atty or the things we can learn from products like the Wizard Stick.
I have also noticed that if you stand your e-cig on end with the juice flowing into the atty, you have a greater chance of flooding the atty under normal use. I suggest laying the e-cig down flat or even putting it in it's holder upside down.
Now that I've thought way too much for one day, anyone wanna try to make some of these modifications and test them out
?
This relates to a regular e-cig or Ego, Riva, Joyce type shape e-cig
The problem is when the atty gets hot this also heats the e-juice. This causes the juice to get thinner and run into the atty, thus effectively flooding the atty even under normal use
Everybody talks about the dangers of making sure you keep the atty wet and the dangers of flooding the atty with drops but I have not heard anyone suggest you can flood the atty under normal use and this is what seems to be happening.
I think this happens because the heat of the atty slowly heats up the juice in the cart and causes it to get thinner and flow into the atty faster. This would also explain why if you let the e-cig sit for a long while and really cool down, the hits are better.
You see, I discovered that when I'm puffing away and the vapor just starts to get a harsh throat hit, if I (First) blow out the excess from the atty then, (Second) do a Very short dry burn ( Just to eat up the excess) then the atty will go back to delivering a smooth hit with good vapor. Sometimes I do this dry burn about 3 or 4 times each for a second, but I do it by tail-piping.
This harsh throat hit I speak of happens with normal use while puffing, not because I flooded the atty - I don't drip but only refill carts. This can happen when the carts are half empty.
Why tail-piping? Vapor, unlike smoke if not vented can cool and condense back into a liquid. If you just do a dry burn without sucking the vapor out, some can still wind up remaining in the atty.
Description of my tail-piping method after blowing out the atty:
I put my lips on the atty with the cart removed and while I suck lightly hitting the button for a second at a time. I hit the button in this manner no more than 3 or 4 times. That should be all that is required if the atty was blown out well enough before hand. You can see the excess juice being burned off of the atty. You do not want to keep this up long or hit the button for more than a second at a time because you will get the wick burning taste and you don't want that - then the atty is too dry. ( you don't have to inhale this vapor, just take it into your mouth and blow it back out - it's better this way so you can see the amount of vapor burning off the atty)
I'm glad I discovered that because I have been plagued with times when I would make a batch of DIY juice and thought the recipe was bad due to the throat hit being too harsh. I was adding a few drops to the atty as well as filing up the carts. It seems that may have been too much. Now those same harsh recipes are suddenly a lot more smooth like I wanted them to be.
Of course many of us has read highping's thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/69834-my-atty-resurrection-method.html And I do suggest you read it before going further.
This method only half worked because it does not discuss all of the reasons why the atty is failing, in the way that it should have.
I tried this method with 3 atty's that were not vaping correctly. These atty's were deemed dead by a professional. They were given to me by a local e-cig mall vendor who were throwing them away. All 3 atty's now work very well, way better than using Hiping's method alone.
Now that we have a better temporary solution IMO, we need to fix the problem.
We know the problem is caused by excess heat from the atty heating the juice in the cart and the inability of the atty to cleanly vape all the juice.
This extra heat is also what causes atty's to leak. Not all of the liquid is able to make good contact with the coil to get vaped off. The heat is so great that this liquid boils and expands and gets forced through the atty vent holes.
We can greatly minimize these effects by making the following modifications to the Electric Cigarette (in theory).
There seems to be a perfect balance needed between amount of vapor in the coil and the pace at which a given atty can vape it off. This is the Key.
Redesign the atty so liquid does not pool around the coil.
Redesign the atty so there is more surface area to vape the juice and spread the heat load.
Use a larger heat sink. (some models have no heat sink)
Redesign the e-juice so that it vapes at a lower temp and yet remains thicker longer
Cover metal body of atty where the cart goes (not over the coil end) with a large heat sink or heat sink putty. You don't want the juice in the cart to heat up as much.
Put a better barrier between the cart's juice and the atty so the warn juice does not run as freely into the atty when it gets warm. (Redesign the cart, cartomizer and or atty tube)
~~~~~~~~~~~~
If we could do all of the above, we can greatly improve the product IMO. This discussion does not even touch the added improvements of proper matching battery/power supply with the correct type and resistance varible of the atty or the things we can learn from products like the Wizard Stick.
I have also noticed that if you stand your e-cig on end with the juice flowing into the atty, you have a greater chance of flooding the atty under normal use. I suggest laying the e-cig down flat or even putting it in it's holder upside down.
Now that I've thought way too much for one day, anyone wanna try to make some of these modifications and test them out
?
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