Reduce PG in PG liquid

[JustMeAgain]

I've been struggling for a long time trying to find a liquid that works for me. Now I'm beginning to think I have a sensitivity to PG. Not an all out allergy, but it's causing a throat sensation that I don't care for - a rough sandpapery feeling.

I don't want to waste all the PG liquid I have , and I know some vendors make a reduced PG formula. If this is a reaction, it's not a serious one, and I think reducing it might be enough to help me. If I can reduce these down, that will also tell me if a reduced PG will work for me.

I did try soaking some snus in VG and vaped the liquid and did not have that sensation at all., but still got a nice throat hit.

Can anyone tell me what the percentage of PG to VG is in those liquids?

I was thinking of cutting the flavored liquids half with VG, then I can add a small amount unflavored (but PG based) higher nic liquid if it takes the mg down too much and add in more flavoring.

Is there a formula for doing this, or can anyone tell me if what I'm planning will be enough to change the ratio?

 

[Liscab]

in a small bottle add a few drops of your factory pg and ad it a 10 or 20 % of vg, ex.
10 drops of pg and 2 drops of pure vg, so that could be your starting point,

 

[Jules22871]

How long have you been vaping? I had the scratchy throat for about 3 weeks. I just drank more water and it finally went away. I still get it now and then when I vape my 36mg too much, but that doesn't happen often.

 

[JustMeAgain]

How long have you been vaping? I had the scratchy throat for about 3 weeks. I just drank more water and it finally went away. I still get it now and then when I vape my 36mg too much, but that doesn't happen often.

Probably since late May...but I didn't get that feeling at all w/the diy snus experiment in which I used straight VG.

Was your throat scratchy all the time - like when you weren't vaping so it was more like having sore throat, or was it only when you took a drag? Mine's fine until I take a puff, and fine again as soon as I exhale.

Interestingly, a liquid from Good Prophets - Melon - is PG and I don't seem to have a problem with it. I talked w/Rob from Good Prophets and he said that that particular flavor is not a dekang liquid, so my problem may just be something in the Dekang. I'm just trying to isolate with it really is so I can avoid it and if possible still make use of what I have on hand.

Thanks Liscab...that is a good starting point. I still wonder though, how much VG is in the reduced PG liquids just so I know what might be better for me to order.

 

[Richie G]

... I still wonder though, how much VG is in the reduced PG liquids just so I know what might be better for me to order.

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Hmmm. I'm not entirely sure of the premise here. Do we *know* that "reduced PG" is indeed cut/reduced with VG? Has JC, et al, revealed this? It could very well be that the VG is the agent reducing the PG but I don't know this to be fact.

That aside, experimenting in small increments could be your answer as others have suggested. Just a question though -- is this happening with all your PG stuff save for the stuff from Good Prophets? I have an issue with *some* liquids/flavors but not all of them.

 

[Liscab]

Probably since late May...but I didn't get that feeling at all w/the diy snus experiment in which I used straight VG.

Was your throat scratchy all the time - like when you weren't vaping so it was more like having sore throat, or was it only when you took a drag? Mine's fine until I take a puff, and fine again as soon as I exhale.

Interestingly, a liquid from Good Prophets - Melon - is PG and I don't seem to have a problem with it. I talked w/Rob from Good Prophets and he said that that particular flavor is not a dekang liquid, so my problem may just be something in the Dekang. I'm just trying to isolate with it really is so I can avoid it and if possible still make use of what I have on hand.

Thanks Liscab...that is a good starting point. I still wonder though, how much VG is in the reduced PG liquids just so I know what might be better for me to order.

Now that you mention GP, all my liquids are from him and for sure they have a very strong hit and I love that, some times I cut it with VG to avoid refiling the cartrigres so frecuently

 

[Jules22871]

Probably since late May...but I didn't get that feeling at all w/the diy snus experiment in which I used straight VG.

Was your throat scratchy all the time - like when you weren't vaping so it was more like having sore throat, or was it only when you took a drag? Mine's fine until I take a puff, and fine again as soon as I exhale.

Interestingly, a liquid from Good Prophets - Melon - is PG and I don't seem to have a problem with it. I talked w/Rob from Good Prophets and he said that that particular flavor is not a dekang liquid, so my problem may just be something in the Dekang. I'm just trying to isolate with it really is so I can avoid it and if possible still make use of what I have on hand.

Thanks Liscab...that is a good starting point. I still wonder though, how much VG is in the reduced PG liquids just so I know what might be better for me to order.

At first it was all the time but that was only for a couple of days. After that it was only when I vaped. I would try liscab's approach and cut it with a little VG and see how that makes you feel. You may need to add a little distilled water if the VG makes it to thick. Don't use tap water, no one wants to vape chlorine and fluoride.

 

[JustMeAgain]

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Hmmm. I'm not entirely sure of the premise here. Do we *know* that "reduced PG" is indeed cut/reduced with VG? Has JC, et al, revealed this? It could very well be that the VG is the agent reducing the PG but I don't know this to be fact.

That aside, experimenting in small increments could be your answer as others have suggested. Just a question though -- is this happening with all your PG stuff save for the stuff from Good Prophets? I have an issue with *some* liquids/flavors but not all of them.

Good point...I was making an assumption that it was VG, but maybe it isn't. I think I'll send JC an email- can't hurt to ask.

Yes, it does happen with all of them except for the one flavor -melon- from GP. I have two others from GP and they have the same effect as what I am now thinking might be a PG sensitivity. Rob tells me that he is using a different vendor for his new flavors, which is the stock the melon comes from. He is going to check and see what the difference might be.

I also had no problem w/my VG only snus experiment. I don't know for sure if vaping what is extracting from snus is a problem....I don't think it would be, but then what do I know...

I only did the experiment to see how it would work if liquid becomes hard to get, and I surprised myself by liking what it produced. Still had a good throat hit, but none of the sandpaper feeling. But until I know that it's really safe to use, I don't want a steady diet of it.

It's not what I would describe as harsh...to me that means just too strong. This is just an unpleasant feeling...only thing I've come up with to describe it is - well - sandpaper.

One other thing -I've gotten liquid, tried it, and with a bit of
newbie-ish enthusiasm commented here that I loved the liquid. Then, after I use it for a little while - say a few carts - that feeling kicks in. Other brands I feel on the first hit.

And I'm not complaining about anyone's juice at all. It's just something weird about me I think...not who I'm getting it from or any real problem w/the product.

 

[Richie G]

Justme:

...I also had no problem w/my VG only snus experiment. I don't know for sure if vaping what is extracting from snus is a problem....I don't think it would be, but then what do I know...

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I tried VG soaked snus too. I didn't have PG on hand at the time. I do now and I intend to try PG soaked snus. My first foray was a major success. It worked just as TB described, throat hit and all. I did squeeze a dash of Everclear in with the VG though, so I'm not sure if the TH was a result of the alcohol or the snus.

The only downside is that the snus taste stuck around in the atty for days. Not such a bad thing for me since I vape mostly tobacco flavors anyway. If the insinuation that snus companies are going to make a product that encases the snus in a sac that will slide into our cartridges... well, that would be an epic win for us e-cig users. We would have an alternative nearly as good as e-liquid should there be an e-pocalypse. =)

 

[JustMeAgain]

Justme:

...I also had no problem w/my VG only snus experiment. I don't know for sure if vaping what is extracting from snus is a problem....I don't think it would be, but then what do I know...

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I tried VG soaked snus too. I didn't have PG on hand at the time. I do now and I intend to try PG soaked snus. My first foray was a major success. It worked just as TB described, throat hit and all. I did squeeze a dash of Everclear in with the VG though, so I'm not sure if the TH was a result of the alcohol or the snus.

The only downside is that the snus taste stuck around in the atty for days. Not such a bad thing for me since I vape mostly tobacco flavors anyway. If the insinuation that snus companies are going to make a product that encases the snus in a sac that will slide into our cartridges... well, that would be an epic win for us e-cig users. We would have an alternative nearly as good as e-liquid should there be an e-pocalypse. =)

@ e-pocalypse...

hadn't heard that one before. I'm using a 510 atty and it's not near big enough to get a snus in, but I have an 801 coming, so I'll try it that way when I get it.

I think I forgot to mention that I added a small amount of everclear, too, but not enough to have much effect on the th.

The first time I was using the Frost Snus. Today I tried some w/the mellow, and it wasn't as good. Wonder how much the mentholy frost had to do with it.

I didn't notice it hanging in the atty at all, but I do wonder if this will be harder on them.

DId you try mellow or frost?

 

[Richie G]

The first time I was using the Frost Snus. Today I tried some w/the mellow, and it wasn't as good. Wonder how much the mentholy frost had to do with it.

I didn't notice it hanging in the atty at all, but I do wonder if this will be harder on them.

DId you try mellow or frost?

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Mellow and here's why...

I couldn't find snus anywhere locally. Finally, I went to my old tobacco store where I used to shop for Marlboros. <g> The guy behind the counter who sounds a lot like Apu Nahasapeemapetilon of Springfield, pointed at an empty display box explaining to me; "Nobuddy want dem, we send dem all back. No wait..." At this point he walked over to the refrigerated cases. I didnt know what the hell he was doing. He moved some Snapples around. I figured he was thirsty or was getting something for another customer when lo and behold he reached way back into the case and emerged with a Camel mellow snus.

"You, my friend, dis is a gift" he said. I gave him a bewildered look and asked why. "Because you always buy Marlboro here. I give dis to you". Feeling guilty I bought $10 bucks worth of Lotto tickets and thanked Apu, I mean, the counter guy. Later, when I got home I realized the snus tin was opened previously and 4 snus were missing. LOL

These arent the minis which should fit neatly in an 801. They are full sized snus, yet I managed to stuff one into my 801 cart sans tearing its sheath. I've been meaning to order all the mini flavor snus but now I may just wait until the made for the PV user snus hit the market.

 

[JustMeAgain]

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Mellow and here's why...

I couldn't find snus anywhere locally. Finally, I went to my old tobacco store where I used to shop for Marlboros. <g> The guy behind the counter who sounds a lot like Apu Nahasapeemapetilon of Springfield, pointed at an empty display box explaining to me; "Nobuddy want dem, we send dem all back. No wait..." At this point he walked over to the refrigerated cases. I didnt know what the hell he was doing. He moved some Snapples around. I figured he was thirsty or was getting something for another customer when lo and behold he reached way back into the case and emerged with a Camel mellow snus.

"You, my friend, dis is a gift" he said. I gave him a bewildered look and asked why. "Because you always buy Marlboro here. I give dis to you". Feeling guilty I bought $10 bucks worth of Lotto tickets and thanked Apu, I mean, the counter guy. Later, when I got home I realized the snus tin was opened previously and 4 snus were missing. LOL

These arent the minis which should fit neatly in an 801. They are full sized snus, yet I managed to stuff one into my 801 cart sans tearing its sheath. I've been meaning to order all the mini flavor snus but now I may just wait until the made for the PV user snus hit the market.

Hmmm, interesting. I didn't know that snus came in more than one size. I must have the large ones - about an inch long.

Nice of Apo to share his 'reserve stock' with you.

I've not kept up on the Snus info so far, but RJR also came out with strips and orbs. Are they still around or did the FDA already wave it's magic wand over those?

 

[Liscab]

At first it was all the time but that was only for a couple of days. After that it was only when I vaped. I would try liscab's approach and cut it with a little VG and see how that makes you feel. You may need to add a little distilled water if the VG makes it to thick. Don't use tap water, no one wants to vape chlorine and fluoride.

The reason to add a 10 or 15 % of VG to GP liquid is to avoid the refilling times it makes it a little more thick.it is gonna losse some flavor or hit but you can fell the thickenness of the vapor in your mouth and through your eyes

 

[unknwn]

I would suggest that you might get some juice from a supplier that is formulating a reduced or non PG recipe and try it. You may or may not have a sensitivity to PG, and this method may help you better determine if what you suspect is valid.
I know that I went through a period of throat discomfort, (and just about all the reports I've read on the forum did also) and it cleared up after some extended exposure to vaping. I've no intention to discount or discredit your experiences, but by your own account(s), you have been at this for a relatively short time, and if you research the huge amount of personal reactions available here, you will likely find very many close parallels to what you are going through.