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I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but the 1.5Ω Smartvapes bridgeless atty is a real winner.
Really great flavor. Easy to clean. Relatively hard to burn out. Reasonably priced.
Comes in short and long tubed versions.
I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but the 1.5Ω Smartvapes bridgeless atty is a real winner.
Really great flavor. Easy to clean. Relatively hard to burn out. Reasonably priced.
Comes in short and long tubed versions.
That horse ain't dead. Beat away! Sorry, PETA. LOL
I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but the 1.5Ω Smartvapes bridgeless atty is a real winner.
Really great flavor. Easy to clean. Relatively hard to burn out. Reasonably priced.
Comes in short and long tubed versions.
Do me a favor, beat it some more. Tell me as much as you want about that atty, please. Or, whoever would like to talk about it (pros/cons), I am all ears, err, eyes.
Despite the eye-catching title, this isn't intended to be an all-inclusive roundup, but some notes about the atties I use -- with rankings -- inspired by Mr. Mann's suggestion in a post somewhere above. I hope everyone here will continue to pitch in with ideas and opinions, to help make things clearer for new drippers, and to maybe inspire some committed drippers to try something new.
Before I list the atties I usually use and rank them, a couple possibly relevant notes and disclaimers. First, I have very little experience with 306 atties, so won't opine on them at all, except to say that a lot of regular drippers love them. Second, there are many atties I haven't tried, and others I have tried but not enough or recently enough to write about. And remember that there is no final word. On anything probably.
Atties are rated on a 1-10 scale. Why? Because this is America, and we rate everything on a scale of 1-10 -- mainly to start arguments, I think. My ratings are, of course, subjective. But I really did think hard and try to be fair. There are no 10's. Nothing is perfect. Also, I rated on performance and build quality -- NOT on price. So, if that had been a prime consideration, the HH and Cisco atties would move down, and the Empire 510 and Joye atties would move up.
Listed in order of numeric rating:
1. HH.357 510 long barrel (Avidvaper.com) $21.99 - It costs $22. It requires serious break-in. You can damage the seal under the coil by blowing hard through the drip tip end. It's a poor choice for dark, sweet, gunky juices. It costs $22! But. . .
With minimal maintenance, it is known to last a very long time, and if it fails, Hanna (Hadawar -- HH) will rebuild it and send it back for the price of return postage. Over and over. Forever. Before you use it, you should watch Hanna's video about break-in. It takes a few hours of use, but the performance you get after a proper break-in is spectacular. What I love is that you can hit it hard, and it keeps up. The coil and the structure are designed for strong draws, and the flavor is the best I get from any atty. The vapor is unmatched. For those who love NETs like I do, I suggest the HH with Ahlusion's Sahara Blend. I don't know of any other juice/atty combo that is more of a match than these two. The arid, powdery throat hit and tongue-climbing low sweet notes of Sahara, delivered in a blast with a two-second drag on the HH, is perfect. RATING: 9/10
2. Empire Premium Bridge Free LR901 (EmpireMods.com) $7.49 - I love the 901 for flavor, and the "901p" needs no break-in at all; it delivers at peak from the first hit. The 901 is designed with a hole for air intake on the side near the bottom, which is why Empire designed the drip shield. This device captures the leaks and lets you draw sharply and pull that excess juice back into the atty. If your device doesn't have a 901 connection, like the Empire Mod itself does, you'll need a 510>901 adapter to use these. Beware that the 901 atty is designed to emphasize flavor, but delivers very little throat hit. The flavor, though -- especially with fruit flavors -- can't be beat by a 510 atty. RATING: 8/10
3. Vapage AMG Hybrid Bottom Feeder (slant-coil) 510 (Vapage.com) $8.99 - My most commonly used atty. Designed for the VMod bottom feeder, this atty has slots around the base that make it work perfectly on that device's sealed feeding system. But it works well on any device -- and even better if you use an Empire drip shield to tighten the draw a little.
Among 510 atties (except the HH.357), its flavor, quick break-in, vapor production and throat hit can't be beat. And as far as long life and build quality, only the Cisco Spec atty from Avid is a rival. While it may seem like a small consideration, the walls of the barrel are thick and the top edge blunt, so it's very easy to remove and replace a drip tip; since I remove my tip to drip, that matters to me.
Finally, Vapage frequently has 50% off sales, which gets these prime atties down to $4.50. At that price, this atomizer may be the best deal in vaping for a dripping lover anyway. RATING: 8/10
4. Cisco Spec LR Bridgeless 510 (Avidvaper.com) $8.99 - This atty is the equal in every way to the Vapage, except that it doesn't work as well on the VMod, and they're never on sale for $4.50. RATING: 8/10
5. Empiremods Bridge Free LR510 (EmpireMods.com) $5.99 - A hair behind the Vapage and Avid atties in build quality, but an excellent performer, and the best deal among high-quality 510 atties (when the Vapage isn't on sale). This is the atty I typically recommend to someone who wants to try dripping, since its performance and low price make it an ideal entry model. RATING: 7/10
6. Ahlusion Bridgeless 510 (sealed center post) (Ahlusion.us) $7.50 - Tastes and performs well, but the barrel is thin, and thus difficult for someone who constantly removes and replaces his drip tip (like me). The sealed post is nice for dripping, but I usually use a 510>sealed 510 adapter anyway. RATING: 5/10
7. Joyetech 510 (standard resistance) (Many dealers) Price varies - Okay, these are on sale at DigitalCiggz.com -- $9.95 for a pack of five. That's a great deal. A lot of people (Mr. Mann, for example) love these. I don't. First, they need cleaning before use; they come packed with thick primer that makes them taste like sludge if you don't first soak in vodka/PGA and rinse thoroughly. They're bridged, which in theory allows them to hold some extra juice without leaking, yet they leak liberally. I just don't think the flavor is close to any of those listed above. Also, the draw is very tight, and I LIKE a tight draw.
As with everything written by anyone ever, this is my take only. Maybe you'll love them. They have one advantage that none of the other atties listed can claim: you can't kill 'em! Soak it in sugar, beat it with a hammer, put six volts through it all day. . .it's still there, ready to go. I can use them with some satisfaction for very strong or very sweet flavors (vaping GoodeJuice GJ4 in one right now), but they can't render subtle flavors at all, and that makes them pretty much a no-go for me. RATING: 4/10
Before I list the atties I usually use and rank them, a couple possibly relevant notes and disclaimers. First, I have very little experience with 306 atties, so won't opine on them at all, except to say that a lot of regular drippers love them. Second, there are many atties I haven't tried, and others I have tried but not enough or recently enough to write about. And remember that there is no final word. On anything probably.
Atties are rated on a 1-10 scale. Why? Because this is America, and we rate everything on a scale of 1-10 -- mainly to start arguments, I think. My ratings are, of course, subjective. But I really did think hard and try to be fair. There are no 10's. Nothing is perfect. Also, I rated on performance and build quality -- NOT on price. So, if that had been a prime consideration, the HH and Cisco atties would move down, and the Empire 510 and Joye atties would move up.
Listed in order of numeric rating:
1. HH.357 510 long barrel (Avidvaper.com) $21.99 - It costs $22. It requires serious break-in. You can damage the seal under the coil by blowing hard through the drip tip end. It's a poor choice for dark, sweet, gunky juices. It costs $22! But. . .
With minimal maintenance, it is known to last a very long time, and if it fails, Hanna (Hadawar -- HH) will rebuild it and send it back for the price of return postage. Over and over. Forever. Before you use it, you should watch Hanna's video about break-in. It takes a few hours of use, but the performance you get after a proper break-in is spectacular. What I love is that you can hit it hard, and it keeps up. The coil and the structure are designed for strong draws, and the flavor is the best I get from any atty. The vapor is unmatched. For those who love NETs like I do, I suggest the HH with Ahlusion's Sahara Blend. I don't know of any other juice/atty combo that is more of a match than these two. The arid, powdery throat hit and tongue-climbing low sweet notes of Sahara, delivered in a blast with a two-second drag on the HH, is perfect. RATING: 9/10
2. Empire Premium Bridge Free LR901 (EmpireMods.com) $7.49 - I love the 901 for flavor, and the "901p" needs no break-in at all; it delivers at peak from the first hit. The 901 is designed with a hole for air intake on the side near the bottom, which is why Empire designed the drip shield. This device captures the leaks and lets you draw sharply and pull that excess juice back into the atty. If your device doesn't have a 901 connection, like the Empire Mod itself does, you'll need a 510>901 adapter to use these. Beware that the 901 atty is designed to emphasize flavor, but delivers very little throat hit. The flavor, though -- especially with fruit flavors -- can't be beat by a 510 atty. RATING: 8/10
3. Vapage AMG Hybrid Bottom Feeder (slant-coil) 510 (Vapage.com) $8.99 - My most commonly used atty. Designed for the VMod bottom feeder, this atty has slots around the base that make it work perfectly on that device's sealed feeding system. But it works well on any device -- and even better if you use an Empire drip shield to tighten the draw a little.
Among 510 atties (except the HH.357), its flavor, quick break-in, vapor production and throat hit can't be beat. And as far as long life and build quality, only the Cisco Spec atty from Avid is a rival. While it may seem like a small consideration, the walls of the barrel are thick and the top edge blunt, so it's very easy to remove and replace a drip tip; since I remove my tip to drip, that matters to me.
Finally, Vapage frequently has 50% off sales, which gets these prime atties down to $4.50. At that price, this atomizer may be the best deal in vaping for a dripping lover anyway. RATING: 8/10
4. Cisco Spec LR Bridgeless 510 (Avidvaper.com) $8.99 - This atty is the equal in every way to the Vapage, except that it doesn't work as well on the VMod, and they're never on sale for $4.50. RATING: 8/10
5. Empiremods Bridge Free LR510 (EmpireMods.com) $5.99 - A hair behind the Vapage and Avid atties in build quality, but an excellent performer, and the best deal among high-quality 510 atties (when the Vapage isn't on sale). This is the atty I typically recommend to someone who wants to try dripping, since its performance and low price make it an ideal entry model. RATING: 7/10
6. Ahlusion Bridgeless 510 (sealed center post) (Ahlusion.us) $7.50 - Tastes and performs well, but the barrel is thin, and thus difficult for someone who constantly removes and replaces his drip tip (like me). The sealed post is nice for dripping, but I usually use a 510>sealed 510 adapter anyway. RATING: 5/10
7. Joyetech 510 (standard resistance) (Many dealers) Price varies - Okay, these are on sale at DigitalCiggz.com -- $9.95 for a pack of five. That's a great deal. A lot of people (Mr. Mann, for example) love these. I don't. First, they need cleaning before use; they come packed with thick primer that makes them taste like sludge if you don't first soak in vodka/PGA and rinse thoroughly. They're bridged, which in theory allows them to hold some extra juice without leaking, yet they leak liberally. I just don't think the flavor is close to any of those listed above. Also, the draw is very tight, and I LIKE a tight draw.
As with everything written by anyone ever, this is my take only. Maybe you'll love them. They have one advantage that none of the other atties listed can claim: you can't kill 'em! Soak it in sugar, beat it with a hammer, put six volts through it all day. . .it's still there, ready to go. I can use them with some satisfaction for very strong or very sweet flavors (vaping GoodeJuice GJ4 in one right now), but they can't render subtle flavors at all, and that makes them pretty much a no-go for me. RATING: 4/10
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Hell, I don't know what to tell you. Invest the $5?
Or convince Cherry to buy one. His experience with varied atty's far surpasses mine, and he does have a way with words.
This is coming from the perspective of someone who has precious little patience for manual dripping so please take my comments from that perspective.
I followed the advice of starting with something cheap for dripping when I first started vaping. I tried a couple of Joyes as well as a Smartvapes and a Bauway(?). The taste was ever so much better than cartos or clearos but I struggled mightily to keep the hateful things properly saturated. Using them for a few minutes was enough to make me want to smash things. Sadly, it did not occur to my frustrated, slow-witted brain that a more expensive atty might be easier for me to use.
I ordered my first AMP Tank hoping hope against hope that it would feed the danged atty better than I could. When I followed the directions for the AMP tank to "prime" the atty by starting with some manual dripping I nearly fell off my chair. I could very easily keep the Cisco spec atty correctly saturated using manual dripping with no problems at all and the HH.357 I tried later on was even easier for me to use. That said, I'm still not one with the Zen of manual dripping so I stick with my AMP Tanks and VMOD-XL for my main vapes and only manually drip my "taste punctuation" flavors.
For the few atties I've used (includes the Vapage slant-coils) I would completely concur with all of y cherry y's enormously helpful comments. However, I would encourage anyone who finds that one particular atty doesn't do the trick for them to learn from my mistake in not venturing forth to try better quality atties.
I followed the advice of starting with something cheap for dripping when I first started vaping. I tried a couple of Joyes as well as a Smartvapes and a Bauway(?). The taste was ever so much better than cartos or clearos but I struggled mightily to keep the hateful things properly saturated. Using them for a few minutes was enough to make me want to smash things.
Sadly, it did not occur to my frustrated, slow-witted brain that a more expensive atty might be easier for me to use.I ordered my first AMP Tank hoping hope against hope that it would feed the danged atty better than I could. When I followed the directions for the AMP tank to "prime" the atty by starting with some manual dripping I nearly fell off my chair. I could very easily keep the Cisco spec atty correctly saturated using manual dripping with no problems at all and the HH.357 I tried later on was even easier for me to use. That said, I'm still not one with the Zen of manual dripping so I stick with my AMP Tanks and VMOD-XL for my main vapes and only manually drip my "taste punctuation" flavors.
For the few atties I've used (includes the Vapage slant-coils) I would completely concur with all of y cherry y's enormously helpful comments. However, I would encourage anyone who finds that one particular atty doesn't do the trick for them to learn from my mistake in not venturing forth to try better quality atties.
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I have not. Those are probably the second atomizer I will try. I'm itching to get some Bastos atomizer from the Philippines.
I bought a couple hundred 510 LR atties 1.8ohm's which are my favorite about 3 years ago or so for 50 cents each. I drip with them when I'm home. If I'm sitting at the computer it's only dripping. If I'm out in the yard I use blue foam just a couple drops on it and the coil so it's kind of a hybrid. If I'm on the go I use a vivi-nova with no wick and tilt it. I still think that dripping with a mechanical mod on an LR atty is the best tasting. I tried all kinds of the new gadgets when they came out and ended up right back where I started at. Well not quite because the 510 wasn't out when I first started but close enough for horseshoes and handgrenades.
Dripping rules!
Oh and I used to de-bridge but got tired of the hassle. I also don't clean or dry burn or anything like that. I just use them and use them and because I have the same All day vape now as well they don't seem to get any funky flavors on them and when their vapor production drops off I just toss them out. These must be good ones because I get a couple weeks out of them sometimes more if I'm using the vivi nova more.
Dripping rules!
Oh and I used to de-bridge but got tired of the hassle. I also don't clean or dry burn or anything like that. I just use them and use them and because I have the same All day vape now as well they don't seem to get any funky flavors on them and when their vapor production drops off I just toss them out. These must be good ones because I get a couple weeks out of them sometimes more if I'm using the vivi nova more.
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I used to use a 3.7 box mod for a long time in fact I made and sold a couple hundred of them. I have the parts around to make a hundred more but with all the cheap Chinese mods I didn't think anyone was still using them. It seems that all my friends have moved on or went back to smoking. So they sit in a box waiting for the zombie apocalypse. I loved using two at the same time. Click click
I have found that de-bridging doesn't really work. You kill more than you improve.
Any old 510 atty works really well for dripping imho.
Dripping takes time and patience until you get used to it. Then it's just normal.
I wander about with a 10 ml bottle of blackcurrant clamped to my hand.
Any old 510 atty works really well for dripping imho.
Dripping takes time and patience until you get used to it. Then it's just normal.
I wander about with a 10 ml bottle of blackcurrant clamped to my hand.
I used to use a 3.7 box mod for a long time in fact I made and sold a couple hundred of them. I have the parts around to make a hundred more but with all the cheap Chinese mods I didn't think anyone was still using them. It seems that all my friends have moved on or went back to smoking. So they sit in a box waiting for the zombie apocalypse. I loved using two at the same time. Click click
I won the little mod in a contest. It's smaller than a credit card, but about .5" thick. I've very lazy, so I switch mods instead of screwing devices on and off. They pretty much run the gamut of what's available.
I'm also cheap. I can't afford 1 really good atty, so I settle for 10 average attys. I get 10 Joye 1.5Ω 306 attys for $42.95; works for me.
Not a prob... I mentioned it because that little 510 b-less atty that I picked up opened up a bit of a different avenue. I'm sold on dripping, there is a freedom, if you want to all it that, to it that I found really appealing. I mean, right now, all I have is some evods and a tank. If I want to vape a different juice, I have to do the dump-n-clean of something I have now, or wait until a kill a evod, clean it, soak the coil and grab a cleaned coil in my rotation and refill... it's kind of a PITA to be honest. But that little atty.... just a quick blow and dab and on to something new! Flavor mixing isn't a huge deal since I am in the throes of a HHV NET obsession, so the flavors I am dripping are all similar enough.
I won the little mod in a contest. It's smaller than a credit card, but about .5" thick. I've very lazy, so I switch mods instead of screwing devices on and off. They pretty much run the gamut of what's available.
I'm also cheap. I can't afford 1 really good atty, so I settle for 10 average attys. I get 10 Joye 1.5Ω 306 attys for $42.95; works for me.
Where do you get 10 Joye 306 atties for $42.95?
This is coming from the perspective of someone who has precious little patience for manual dripping so please take my comments from that perspective.
I followed the advice of starting with something cheap for dripping when I first started vaping. I tried a couple of Joyes as well as a Smartvapes and a Bauway(?). The taste was ever so much better than cartos or clearos but I struggled mightily to keep the hateful things properly saturated. Using them for a few minutes was enough to make me want to smash things.
I ordered my first AMP Tank hoping hope against hope that it would feed the danged atty better than I could. When I followed the directions for the AMP tank to "prime" the atty by starting with some manual dripping I nearly fell off my chair. I could very easily keep the Cisco spec atty correctly saturated using manual dripping with no problems at all and the HH.357 I tried later on was even easier for me to use. That said, I'm still not one with the Zen of manual dripping so I stick with my AMP Tanks and VMOD-XL for my main vapes and only manually drip my "taste punctuation" flavors.
For the few atties I've used (includes the Vapage slant-coils) I would completely concur with all of y cherry y's enormously helpful comments. However, I would encourage anyone who finds that one particular atty doesn't do the trick for them to learn from my mistake in not venturing forth to try better quality atties.
I forgot to mention the AMP Tank! I like it too, but a lot of people have leak problems with it. And it's not exactly robust; I would shy away from putting it in my pocket or taking it in my car. So I'm not comfortable suggesting it to new drippers. It also costs $130.
So is the HH.357 really worth adding to a vaping kit? I understand that they might very well be the highest quality atty on the market, but it runs generally 4 times the price of a run of the mill lump, and it seems to require a little more TLC to keep going.
I bought one and got little to no usage out of it. Hanna told me that it possibly had to much mesh in it and I would have to send it back to get made into what it should've been (at that price) from jumpstreet. Never got around to sending it back and I personally don't care to put that much time and effort into one atty. I chalked it up to a lesson learned. For me it was not a good buy at all (but people swear by it). To me, the HH.357 was basically, with a lot of other Avid Vaper products (Aeros, "Cisco" specs) overpriced, overhyped, regular ol' attys that come with the same issues, but without the proportional upside, as attys less than half, 2/3 or even 1/4 the cost.
I will send mine back eventually (it's been many months) and I will take advantage of Hannas return/fix it policy, but I am really not too pressed right now.
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