Regulated mod Voltage Confusion?

[The60WattGUY]

Here i go again another thread lol..
But im confused about something...

I just got my new coils today decided to throw it in since the one i was using is over a month old and is a cheap coil..
Anyway my question is i like a dense vape around 80watts, i put in a new build (dual fused claptons) came out to .2ohms at 80watts this is providing about 4.1volts nice vape...
But then i looked at my previous build which kinda sucked it was regular claptons came out to .54ohms now these coils performance was so bad i had to also vape them at 80watts anything lower performance was terrible but with .54ohm and 80watts its telling me its pulling 6.5volts!
Is this bad? I used it for over a month at that voltage, i was told a good vape and safe is 4-4.2v, my mod does say it supports 8.4v tho so maybe its fine?
But in a bit confused now whats a better 80watt vape? 4.2v or the 6.5v one?
The 4.2v pulls more amps i think but im still within my amp limit so thats not an issue,
Not sure what i should aim for if i like 80watts higher or lower voltages?
a bit confused about this
can some one explain this to me?
also the mod i use is a dual battery box mod in series i believe..
tbh i see no difference but then again 80watts is 80watts but which one is best at 4.2 or 6.5v lol so confusing...
tried googling it but got even more confused haha
i like to learn all this cause i want to get a mech some day and its important to know this

sorry for all my questions lately

 

[Berenulf]

Here i go again another thread lol..
But im confused about something...

I just got my new coils today decided to throw it in since the one i was using is over a month old and is a cheap coil..
Anyway my question is i like a dense vape around 80watts, i put in a new build (dual fused claptons) came out to .2ohms at 80watts this is providing about 4.1volts nice vape...
But then i looked at my previous build which kinda sucked it was regular claptons came out to .54ohms now these coils performance was so bad i had to also vape them at 80watts anything lower performance was terrible but with .54ohm and 80watts its telling me its pulling 6.5volts!
Is this bad? I used it for over a month at that voltage, i was told a good vape and safe is 4-4.2v, my mod does say it supports 8.4v tho so maybe its fine?
But in a bit confused now whats a better 80watt vape? 4.2v or the 6.5v one?
The 4.2v pulls more amps i think but im still within my amp limit so thats not an issue,
Not sure what i should aim for if i like 80watts higher or lower voltages?
a bit confused about this
can some one explain this to me?
also the mod i use is a dual battery box mod in series i believe..
tbh i see no difference but then again 80watts is 80watts but which one is best at 4.2 or 6.5v lol so confusing...
tried googling it but got even more confused haha
i like to learn all this cause i want to get a mech some day and its important to know this

sorry for all my questions lately

Higher Voltage means that this particular wire has higher resistance. So, the batteries and mod has to push harder to achieve the set wattage, so at the same wattage, that higher resistance wire is going lot hotter then the other wire.

I think that knowing the voltage limit was important in umregulated mods a.k.a mechanical mods. I believe, this is now rough speculation, that regulated mods can adjust the amperage to support the volts needed for your specific coil, unregulated will fire at whatever comes out of the batteries and on a continuous fire the amperage will decline, which can lead to shorts in your coil or ultimately heating of other elements along the circuit, and in a very high ohm thick wire it can lead to your batteries heating up, and could cause a possible venting, which is highly dangerous to your health. High ohm thin wire, usually the batteries and mods can support the flow, but the coil will burn up.

With a very thick coil on low ohms, it wont just heat up. Ohms is the conductivity, the amps illusrtates the flow of current, volts is the pushing force or "pressure", like a water hose, when it is very thin, it cant go on high amps when your battery/mod cant support the voltage, when it can, its important that "hose" could support that flow, at too high voltage, the coil burns trough rather faster. When then volts push real hard, and the amps wont go along with it, the whole joint is heating up on all the wrong ends.

So keep an eye on what your amps do at given voltage. I can't say you are 100 percent safe, because I am no certified specialist, but I do hope the stuff I wrote will help you understand it a little better and decide for your self.

 

[The60WattGUY]

Higher Voltage means that this particular wire has higher resistance. So, the batteries and mod has to push harder to achieve the set wattage, so at the same wattage, that higher resistance wire is going lot hotter then the other wire.

I think that knowing the voltage limit was important in umregulated mods a.k.a mechanical mods. I believe, this is now rough speculation, that regulated mods can adjust the amperage to support the volts needed for your specific coil, unregulated will fire at whatever comes out of the batteries and on a continuous fire the amperage will decline, which can lead to shorts in your coil or ultimately heating of other elements along the circuit, and in a very high ohm thick wire it can lead to your batteries heating up, and could cause a possible venting, which is highly dangerous to your health. High ohm thin wire, usually the batteries and mods can support the flow, but the coil will burn up.

With a very thick coil on low ohms, it wont just heat up. Ohms is the conductivity, the amps illusrtates the flow of current, volts is the pushing force or "pressure", like a water hose, when it is very thin, it cant go on high amps when your battery/mod cant support the voltage, when it can, its important that "hose" could support that flow, at too high voltage, the coil burns trough rather faster. When then volts push real hard, and the amps wont go along with it, the whole joint is heating up on all the wrong ends.

So keep an eye on what your amps do at given voltage. I can't say you are 100 percent safe, because I am no certified specialist, but I do hope the stuff I wrote will help you understand it a little better and decide for your self.

Ah yeah that makes sense now the new wire is thinner tho but its 40g outer and the old wire is 32g the old wire is less amps also ..
but way more volts,
i thought the thinner wire heats up quicker cuz of less mass???
Around what volt should i build my coils for?
I like a 80watt vape but the old wire is pushing 6.5v to achieve that, isnt that too high? Or is higher better lol thats still confusing , new wire seems better tho its only 4.2v but its pushing 19 amps im using 2 18650s tho so that 19 is shared right using 2 samsung r25 20amps also got molicel p28a 30amp

 

[Berenulf]

Ah yeah that makes sense now the new wire is thinner tho but its 40g outer and the old wire is 32g the old wire is less amps tho but way more volts, i thought the thinner wire heats up quicker cuz of less mass??? Around what volt should i build my coils for? I like a 80watt vape but the old wire iis used is pushing 6.5v to achieve that, isnt that too high? Or is higher better lol thats still confusing , new wire seems better tho its only 4.2v but its pushing 19 amps in using 2 18650s tho so that 19 is shared right using 2 samsung r25 20amps also got molicel p28a 30amp

I don't think that higher/lower volts count anything towards a good vape, its only important your mods and bats can handle it. The temperature that your coil produces, the chamber size of your atomizer and the airflow, plus the wicking are far more important, the ohms wats and so on, help to illustrate the current going trough the coil and knowing if you can use the build in what setup and if its safe. Also you could get a 80w vape with any kind of wire, but does it work in a given atomizer, you could get a similar vape with a smaller atomizer, thinner juice and smaller wire gauge and less watts, only the vapour amount would be smaller, but the taste could be all the same. Its totally up to your preferences.

What pg vg juice you use in what atomizer?

 

[The60WattGUY]

I don't think that higher/lower volts count anything towards a good vape, its only important your mods and bats can handle it. The temperature that your coil produces, the chamber size of your atomizer and the airflow, plus the wicking are far more important, the ohms wats and so on, help to illustrate the current going trough the coil and knowing if you can use the build in what setup and if its safe. Also you could get a 80w vape with any kind of wire, but does it work in a given atomizer, you could get a similar vape with a smaller atomizer, thinner juice and smaller wire gauge and less watts, only the vapour amount would be smaller, but the taste could be all the same. Its totally up to your preferences.

What pg vg juice you use in what atomizer?

I diy atm 70vg 30pg
Hmm so the .5 pushing 6.5v is a better vape? So more 4.2volt on new wire is to weak? Hmm i thought 6.5v was too high and to stay aroubdthe 4.2v?
Whats a good coil i need then tho achieve 80watt vape with less amps and good volts/rampup

Oh also is my amps shared at 4.2v im at at 19amps i use dual battery samsung r25 20amps

Oh atomizer is a rda tengu made for high wattage and dead rabbit v3
Wide open airflow but they are honeycomb

 

[Berenulf]

I diy atm 70vg 30pg
Hmm so the .5 pushing 6.5v is a better vape? So more 4.2volt on new wire is to weak? Hmm i thought 6.5v was too high and to stay aroubdthe 4.2v?
Whats a good coil i need then tho achieve 80watt vape with less amps and good volts/rampup

Oh also is my amps shared at 4.2v im at at 19amps i use dual battery samsung r25 20amps

Oh atomizer is a rda tengu made for high wattage and dead rabbit v3
Wide open airflow but they are honeycomb

Heys, answered already in another post, considering coils. I dont know tengu, but dead rabbit is fairly hughe atomizer, but not unmamageable for your bats and mod. Just have to keep on trying different builds. For dual, Id personally use only nichrome.

 

[Mordacai]

Higher Voltage means that this particular wire has higher resistance. So, the batteries and mod has to push harder to achieve the set wattage, so at the same wattage, that higher resistance wire is going lot hotter then the other wire.

I think that knowing the voltage limit was important in umregulated mods a.k.a mechanical mods. I believe, this is now rough speculation, that regulated mods can adjust the amperage to support the volts needed for your specific coil, unregulated will fire at whatever comes out of the batteries and on a continuous fire the amperage will decline, which can lead to shorts in your coil or ultimately heating of other elements along the circuit, and in a very high ohm thick wire it can lead to your batteries heating up, and could cause a possible venting, which is highly dangerous to your health. High ohm thin wire, usually the batteries and mods can support the flow, but the coil will burn up.

With a very thick coil on low ohms, it wont just heat up. Ohms is the conductivity, the amps illusrtates the flow of current, volts is the pushing force or "pressure", like a water hose, when it is very thin, it cant go on high amps when your battery/mod cant support the voltage, when it can, its important that "hose" could support that flow, at too high voltage, the coil burns trough rather faster. When then volts push real hard, and the amps wont go along with it, the whole joint is heating up on all the wrong ends.

So keep an eye on what your amps do at given voltage. I can't say you are 100 percent safe, because I am no certified specialist, but I do hope the stuff I wrote will help you understand it a little better and decide for your self.

Lower ohms (DTL) = more voltage required.

Higher ohms (MTL) = less voltage required.

 

[Mordacai]

Here i go again another thread lol..
But im confused about something...

I just got my new coils today decided to throw it in since the one i was using is over a month old and is a cheap coil..
Anyway my question is i like a dense vape around 80watts, i put in a new build (dual fused claptons) came out to .2ohms at 80watts this is providing about 4.1volts nice vape...
But then i looked at my previous build which kinda sucked it was regular claptons came out to .54ohms now these coils performance was so bad i had to also vape them at 80watts anything lower performance was terrible but with .54ohm and 80watts its telling me its pulling 6.5volts!
Is this bad? I used it for over a month at that voltage, i was told a good vape and safe is 4-4.2v, my mod does say it supports 8.4v tho so maybe its fine?
But in a bit confused now whats a better 80watt vape? 4.2v or the 6.5v one?
The 4.2v pulls more amps i think but im still within my amp limit so thats not an issue,
Not sure what i should aim for if i like 80watts higher or lower voltages?
a bit confused about this
can some one explain this to me?
also the mod i use is a dual battery box mod in series i believe..
tbh i see no difference but then again 80watts is 80watts but which one is best at 4.2 or 6.5v lol so confusing...
tried googling it but got even more confused haha
i like to learn all this cause i want to get a mech some day and its important to know this

sorry for all my questions lately

As long as you're good with your batteries/cells, as in they've got a high CDR you're fine.

As your using a regulated mod with inbuilt protections.

If you were using a mech mod though, that's where you really need to do lots of complex maths to ensure that you're safe.

For a lot of helpful information when it comes to coils you can use the tools on steam engine, they'll help give you an Idea of how they'll behave and perform.

Heat capacity and ohms are what you'll be wanting to pay attention to the most in their tools, as heat capacity is how hot or cool the coil will run.

 

[Berenulf]

As long as you're good with your batteries/cells, as in they've got a high CDR you're fine.

As your using a regulated mod with inbuilt protections.

If you were using a mech mod though, that's where you really need to do lots of complex maths to ensure that you're safe.

For a lot of helpful information when it comes to coils you can use the tools on steam engine, they'll help give you an Idea of how they'll behave and perform.

Heat capacity and ohms are what you'll be wanting to pay attention to the most in their tools, as heat capacity is how hot or cool the coil will run.

You are telling this high end stuff to a starter, which could prove dangerous if you don't follow him trough with every bit of your stuff and keep a close watch on his builds. How the f is he to know what his batteries CDR even is, or if they even have it. And I tried steam engine, the heat capacity didnt mean jack when your vaping, cause it depends a lot on airflow and chamber, it was mainly useful on ss316l for not smoking myself out of vaping and scorching my cotton in one draw.

Good luck, and be sure to follow trough, I am officially quiting here.

Byez.

 

[The60WattGUY]

Lower ohms (DTL) = more voltage required.

Higher ohms (MTL) = less voltage required.

Yea but what is a good vape around what voltage i googled this most say around 4v , so if you build a coil at the wattage you want and its 4v itd a good vape? Or do you want more volts? Like lets say 60watts at 4.2v or 60watts at 6-8volts whats better? Lol

 

[The60WattGUY]

You are telling this high end stuff to a starter, which could prove dangerous if you don't follow him trough with every bit of your stuff and keep a close watch on his builds. How the f is he to know what his batteries CDR even is, or if they even have it. And I tried steam engine, the heat capacity didnt mean jack when your vaping, cause it depends a lot on airflow and chamber, it was mainly useful on ss316l for not smoking myself out of vaping and scorching my cotton in one draw.

Good luck, and be sure to follow trough, I am officially quiting here.

Byez.

Yea i do kno my CDR of my batts and amp limit and such but i kno what u mean...
Atm i use 20-25amp batteries and its dual box mod in series so it gets split evenly for 20amps should be good for 60watts per battery at least is what mooch says

 

[Mordacai]

Different coils and builds have different power requirements to perform optimally @The60WattGUY, so there's no one size fits all.

The only way to reduce power requirements is to use a single coil with a reduced atomiser chamber volume and more restricted airflow.

Mesh wouldn't really be an option for reducing power requirements either, as mesh always has a lower resistance.