Removable batteries?

[Swamprats]

Just looking for opinions on the relevance of replaceable batteries for 30w box mods. I'm trying to decide on witch 30w device to buy, and with all the choices right now for new 30 to 50 watt box's with built in batteries, I am having a hard time making up my mind. Kind of a choice between the ivp mini and the isticks. Will an istick last all day? Or would it be better to have a back up.

 

[Frenchfry1942]

I stay with the replaceable batteries. It is a little more to get the batteries, but if there is a problem, I just replace them. Most are still chargeable via usb, too.

With an internal battery, I would get the largest I could.

 

[PaulBHC]

If you are new to this, and not sure if you will stick with vaping, built in battery packs are a good way to go. They should last a year of average use. ego and the like with low mah only last around 3-6 months because you have to charge them so often.

If you go with batteries, you need backups, so 2 or 3 or 4 of the same battery, and a good $40 charger. Don't be cheap and take the chance of a fire.

An istick might last you all day but consider a device with passthrough that allows you to vape and charge at the same time.

 

[v1k1ng1001]

The best bang-for-the buck-over-the-long-term buys in this category are going to be 1) sigelei 50w v2 box 2) ipv mini v2 70w and 3) the ipv 2x box.

As others have said, the lipo battery-powered devices are throw aways as soon as that battery gives up the ghost (true in even more expensive units like the Vaporshark). In ohter words, I think that having a replaceable battery is a significant advantage and sacrificing on form factor is worth it.

Also, all of the devices I have listed will provide you with a yihi sx330 chipset that will be more accurate, efficient and offer a more consistent power signal output than something like the istick.

Of the two devices you've mentioned, the ipv mini v2 70w is by far the greater value over the long haul.

 

[tc1]

Built in battery devices are great for people who don't like to fiddle or newcomers who don't want to spend the time and money to purchase an assortment of vaping related gear like batteries and a charger.


You just open it up, charge it, and vape. Simple and effective. Many people who have external battery devices own internals as well for this very reason.

In the long run however, external battery mods are generally better. If something is wrong with the battery you don't have to throw away the mod or attempt to replace the battery yourself via soldering. It also allows you to upgrade your battery as the technology improves. And lastly, you can haul around as many batteries (safely of course) as you wish ... giving you nearly unlimited downtime with the device.

 

[alicewonderland]

i have a rdna40 with replaceable batteries, it is nice because I have extra 18650 batteries, and when the one runs out I can just swap them out and continue vaping. Woke up one morning and figured out the battery inside my rdna40 was out, i just swapped the batteries otherwise I wouldnt have had my mod for the entire day out.

I also have a internal lipo battery solara dna30, but for that I chose internal battery because I personally did not want to fry my board accidentally by entering a battery backwards (dna30 didnt have backwwards protection back then). The usercant change the battery on the solara but the manufacturer will change it for me for i think like 25$ if it ever dies.

the other 30watt mods that arent dna30 i believe have reverse protection though, and people have told me LiPo batteries are more dangerous than 18650s, so if i were to get another LiPo battery mod I would make sure the chip it comes with has safety features like reverse circuit protection and short circuit protection.

 

[DoubleTap1]

I have both, a mod with built in battery, MPV 2 and a SXMin replaceable batt.
Does anyone know if you can send in your built in batt Mod to get a new battery installed?

 

[alicewonderland]

i think it would depend on the manufacturer, for my beyondvape solara dna30 the original manufacturer is beyondvape and they have it listed on their site and on product that i can send it to them for replacement.

 

[DoubleTap1]

Thank you, good to know. I will have to check.

 

[classwife]

Moved to Variable Voltage APV Discussion from APV Discussion

 

[jhhollier]

Just looking for opinions on the relevance of replaceable batteries for 30w box mods. I'm trying to decide on witch 30w device to buy, and with all the choices right now for new 30 to 50 watt box's with built in batteries, I am having a hard time making up my mind. Kind of a choice between the ivp mini and the isticks. Will an istick last all day? Or would it be better to have a back up.

Replaceable or non-replaceable is just a matter of preference. I have one of each and sometimes it's nice to not have to worry about taking my battery out, putting it on charge, swapping in a new battery, etc. That's when I pick up my iStick 30W. And you should definitely be able to use the iStick all day. Probably more depending on what wattage your vaping at, how often you vape, etc.

But as others said, it's also nice to use a mod with replaceable batteries because when (not if) your battery stops holding charge or there's a problem you can just replace it.

 

[Andyhrn]

The replaceable battery will be charged the same way like a non-replaceable via USB port on the mod. So it's more convenient to have the replaceable battery. There is no need for the non-replaceable battery unless of course the manufacturer wants us to buy a new unit every 6 months.

 

[r77r7r]

Get 1 of each, if you can to try. Myself, I have the 20W Istick and vape @8W/6-8mls per day and it barely uses half the battery. Takes only 1.5hrs to charge from there.

I've never had a replaceable battery mod since my join date, and I've never had the internal battery fail. Most often it will be the electronic chips that fail and that can happen in any APV.

 

[FCastle]

The replaceable battery will be charged the same way like a non-replaceable via USB port on the mod. So it's more convenient to have the replaceable battery. There is no need for the non-replaceable battery unless of course the manufacturer wants us to buy a new unit every 6 months.

And how many of those devices with replaceable batteries have 3800-4400 mAh capacity, except for large dual battery mods? Many people don't like to charge replaceable batteries in the mod because the USB port, internal wiring, etc., usually isn't that great. And most built in lithium batteries last 1-2 years, not 6 months. Realistically chances are the threading, buttons, internal electronics, etc., will go out before the battery does. And if the battery does die, many devices with built in batteries are cheap enough that it's not a big deal if you have to buy a new one in a year. They'll probably have some nice new features and more battery capacity in a year anyway.

 

[Andyhrn]

And how many of those devices with replaceable batteries have 3800-4400 mAh capacity, except for large dual battery mods? Many people don't like to charge replaceable batteries in the mod because the USB port, internal wiring, etc., usually isn't that great. And most built in lithium batteries last 1-2 years, not 6 months. Realistically chances are the threading, buttons, internal electronics, etc., will go out before the battery does. And if the battery does die, many devices with built in batteries are cheap enough that it's not a big deal if you have to buy a new one in a year. They'll probably have some nice new features and more battery capacity in a year anyway.

There are some large capacity LIPO batteries but not for a small devices.They just using a pack of 2 and more batteries to increase the capacity. This is what upcoming istick 50w will have. 2x2200mA batteries. The wiring with the non-replaceable LIPO is even worse because they have to solder them to the connectors instead of using a regular contacts like for removable batteries. And like you said some ppl don't want to use built-in USB charger and they take the battery out to charge with the external charger. With non replaceable batteries you can't do this. Charging life cycle of the lipo batteries is 300-400 times. And with the capacity of the battery is diminishing with the each charging. So yes, average 6-8 months of a life spin.
Some "funny" video about Lipo batteries
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zrXTkqkrWE

Get 1 of each, if you can to try. Myself, I have the 20W Istick and vape @8W/6-8mls per day and it barely uses half the battery. Takes only 1.5hrs to charge from there.

I've never had a replaceable battery mod since my join date, and I've never had the internal battery fail. Most often it will be the electronic chips that fail and that can happen in any APV.

There are probably millions of them are fail over the years. They called mini ecig or disposable.And they keeps failed even today. This why ppl are switching to modes with the replaceable batteries.

 

[r77r7r]

There are some large capacity LIPO batteries but not for a small devices.They just using a pack of 2 and more batteries to increase the capacity. This is what upcoming istick 50w will have. 2x2200mA batteries. The wiring with the non-replaceable LIPO is even worse because they have to solder them to the connectors instead of using a regular contacts like for removable batteries. And like you said some ppl don't want to use built-in USB charger and they take the battery out to charge with the external charger. With non replaceable batteries you can't do this. Charging life cycle of the lipo batteries is 300-400 times. And with the capacity of the battery is diminishing with the each charging. So yes, average 6-8 months of a life spin.
Some "funny" video about Lipo batteries
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zrXTkqkrWE



There are probably millions of them are fail over the years. They called mini ecig or disposable.And they keeps failed even today. This why ppl are switching to modes with the replaceable batteries.

Sorry, Andy- not buying it. Many aren't.

 

[FCastle]

There are some large capacity LIPO batteries but not for a small devices.They just using a pack of 2 and more batteries to increase the capacity. This is what upcoming istick 50w will have. 2x2200mA batteries. The wiring with the non-replaceable LIPO is even worse because they have to solder them to the connectors instead of using a regular contacts like for removable batteries. And like you said some ppl don't want to use built-in USB charger and they take the battery out to charge with the external charger. With non replaceable batteries you can't do this. Charging life cycle of the lipo batteries is 300-400 times. And with the capacity of the battery is diminishing with the each charging. So yes, average 6-8 months of a life spin.
Some "funny" video about Lipo batteries
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zrXTkqkrWE



There are probably millions of them are fail over the years. They called mini ecig or disposable.And they keeps failed even today. This why ppl are switching to modes with the replaceable batteries.

The charging life cycle varies by manufacturer, and even assuming 300-400 cycles 6 months would require charging twice a day. Which is very unlikely unless it's a low capacity ego type battery. Most people charge their iStick or MVP every 1-2 days, sometimes less frequently. And I'm certainly not seeing all these people switching to replaceable batteries. 90%-95% of the people I see vaping at work, bars/clubs, and just around town are using iSticks, MVPs, Ego type batteries, etc.