Replacement Tank Cartos, just burning one after another.

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ComfortablyNumb

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So. A couple of weeks ago I purchased a 3.5ml DC tank. Filled up the first one (with help from a YouTube video) and it worked beautifully. It was still vaping ok after a week, but I decided I'd like to replace it with a new one. Filled it exactly the same as the first time and all I got was a horrible burnt taste. I used regular cartos (no tank) for the last few days which is good but decided I wanted to try the tank again. I had posted about this on the carto/atty/tank board and someone mentioned taking some dry hits first to make sure the juice was being pulled into the carto. That wasn't necessary the first time, but I figured it was worth a try.

So I decided to try again tonight and I did everything as I did the first time but remembered to take a couple dry hits first. Again, disgusting burnt carto. Now I have 2 burnt out replacement tank cartos and none left. Of course I have regular ones as backup but this is getting frustrating. Is there something I'm missing? Could they have both been duds? Should I just completely fill the carto first and let it sit a while before filling the tank and firing it up?
 

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I use the 3.5 DC tanks most often and yes I run into this as well. Usually I get 5 packs and sometimes 1 of the 5 have that immediate burnt taste and it doesn't go away. I just toss it. Other than the occasional bad cart I live with it as the overall performance of these things is amazing. I am watching the mailbox for the chrome versions of these that I ordered. Currently I just have the plastic versions. <--tanks that is
 
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To quote Phil Busardo,

THE HOLE IS TOO SMALL!

I use a "self-tapping saddle valve" bought for 6.99 at Home Depot which is as if it's made for punching cartos. Give it a try. There are YouTube videos on how to use it. Alternatively, you can use a rotary tool to cut slots in the cartos. Again, YouTube has instructionals on this method too...
 

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I'm glad I'm not the only one. I had only ordered 2 to try them out and see how it went. So I'm not too happy that the only two I got didn't work out. I know it's a lot of trial and error, but I just want to get the hang of it and know that I'm doing this right, because as you said, overall, the tank setup was working great initially and I'd like to stick with them.

I'll have to order more soon. I've got a mini sub tank on its way from Mom and Pops as well as some new juices and cartos so that should keep me preoccupied for a while.
 

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To quote Phil Busardo,

THE HOLE IS TOO SMALL!

I use a "self-tapping saddle valve" bought for 6.99 at Home Depot which is as if it's made for punching cartos. Give it a try. There are YouTube videos on how to use it. Alternatively, you can use a rotary tool to cut slots in the cartos. Again, YouTube has instructionals on this method too...

This gave me a chuckle. I've watched a bunch of Phil's videos and always appreciate his feedback. I will look into that, though I'm a little scared to start working with tools. It's not my forte.
 

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Seriously, I'm no good with tools myself. That's why I opted for the saddle valve - it's a no skills job, and if you get the hang of it you're done in ~30 seconds. Basically, you have to screw in the punching screw until you feel some resistance, then slowly go forward until you hear a pop. That's when the carto has been punched. Give it another turn, or a turn and a half if you're using thinner liquids, and 2-3 more turns if you're using thick liquids. As they say here, YMMV.
 

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I should probably mention that when I fill these (when brand new) I draw heavy on these before attaching to the batt. Holding my finger over the bottom to draw the ejuice into the carto. Usually get well over half the tank emptied and drawn into it.

There shouldn't be any need for that, and you rather risk flooding the carto, really...
 

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Heya CN ( Woohoo, I'm a BIG Floyd fan) ..!!

I have been using a tank with my KgO and a 1.2 or 1.5ohm tank Carto.

I burned up my first one, but never did it again.

I filled my 3.5ml tank with the carto in it about 3/4 way full. Then I filled the carto the same way I would just a plain old carto with no tank hole.. and waited till the padding looked good and soaked.

What happened with the first one, I think is that the pre-punched hole was just too small to allow the liquid to wick in.. It burned up after a few hours of intermittent puffing..

Since that happened, I have been using my Dremel tool to cut a small slot in line with the bottom of the tank , at the same level the hole is.. Then I use a little sanding wheel to widen the slot a little and dull any remotely sharp edges on the slot so the gasket on the bottom of the tank doesn't get damaged during insertion or removal of the carto.
( sounds like a project.. But it literally takes 2 minutes.)

Since I have been doing this, No wicking issues, No dry burns or anything evil to speak of.. :) Just banging taste and thick clouds of goodness.

I am not sure if this wicking problem is a contributing factor to your problem.. But it is one I have read about from our fellow Vapers.

There is a nifty video on youtube that shows a fellow doing it in a similiar fashion I do...

Ill drop it below , in case you decide this may help..

Good Luck Sir :)

Peace and God Bless.

- Vin

( Whoa, That was fast.. While I was attaching the video.. a few posts jumped me. LOL)

 
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Just my $.02...what I have found that works for me is to fill a carto and vape it "the normal way", which is to say without a tank, untill I think that It's time to refill...then I punch it and tank it. Kind of give it a primer so to speak.

May not do a thing but it makes me feel like I'm doing something monumental. Actually i find that it insures the carto is assuredly filled at the onset and I feel it helps with wicking once It's tanked.
 

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I'm guessing here. I use cartos but not tank cartos. The person who recommended taking dry hits off the carto probably meant to take dry hits with the power off. Still, I like to let any cartos that's been filled the first time to soak a while just in case the packing near the coil is still dry.

Indeed, that's what I did. I'm definitely okay with the fact that there's going to be issues that arise, I just get so sad when I'm vaping away and happy and then BAM! Problems!

Thank goodness I found this forum. You are all priceless sources of information. :)
 

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You should always completely fill the carto before you insert it in the tank and then fill the tank. Personally I use a syringe to fill all my cartos, and I dont know how you fill yours, but if you use a syringe you dont have to let it sit at all before putting it in the tank and using it.

What is the PG/VG ratio of the juice your using. I ask bc the pre-punched hole is small and if your using a thicker VG juice, it most likely is too thick to feed well into the small pre-punched hole. I use a Smoktech 3.5ml tank too, and I use the Ressurector cartos in it. I find only my thin 80/20 juice feeds into the small pre-punched hole pretty well. Anything thicker and the hole needs to be made bigger. Even with the 80/20 juice I use, I still make the hole the slightest bit bigger using a finishing nail and hammer.
So depending on your juice ratio you might need to make the hole bigger. On another 3.5ml tank I have I use Bobas Bounty in it, which is 100%VG and very thick. I didnt even try to use the tank with the small pre-punched hole bc I knew it would never feed fast enough, if at all, to keep the carto wet. For that juice I make the pre-punched hole quite a bit bigger so it feeds a lot quicker. For thick juices you can even make a second hole on the other side, just remember that juice will feed twice as fast and if the holes are too big youll flood the carto and need to use a new one. When I first started using Bobas in the tank I was making a second hole in the carto, but I found that the second hole made it alot easier to flood the carto unless the holes were perfect, and even when they were the right size I could flood it with dry pulls.
So now I just only have the one punched hole, and just make it big enough to keep the carto wet, and I find it works alot better and doesnt flood.
Heres what my 3.5ml tank looks like with a punched Ressurector: photo3.jpg
That carto was originally a pre-punched one with the small hole, but I used a hammer and finishing nail and made it quite a bit bigger. I know you cant tell exactly how big it is, but if you know how small the pre-punched hole is, you can obviously see that its considerably bigger so it properly feeds the 100%VG Bobas Bounty thats in the tank.

You also have to remember to do dry pulls. I know you said you did a few, but they need to be done right. Personally I think dry pulls are the single most important thing in continuing to make a tank work correctly, and their even more important if your using thicker VG juices. Even when the punched hole is the right size, sometimes the tank just wont feed the carto fast enough to continuously keep it wet. Dry pulls force juice into the carto and ensures it doesnt get dry.
I would bet that has a lot to do with why your getting a burnt taste. Either the punched hole is too small for the juice your using, or the hole is the right size but your vaping faster then the tank can feed the juice on its own.
When you do dry pulls you should see little airbubbles come out of the hole. When you first put a new carto in you wont see bubbles bc the carto is still full from you filling it, but once you use it for awhile and do a dry pull you should get some. If you dont get bubbles and you know the cartos not full, then the hole most likely needs to be made bigger. Make it slightly bigger and try again. Continue doing that till the holes the right size. Just remeber to go slow, you can always make it a tad bit bigger if needed, but as soon as you make it too big the carto will just flood and your screwed and need to start again.
With my 80/20 juice I do short hard pulls and get a bunch of tiny airbubbles. I do 4-5 dry pulls or until your not getting any or getting very little bubbles, and then I know the coils fully wet again.
For the 100% VG Bobas juice, I find that the short hard pulls do work, but doing a single longer pull basically as hard as you can works better. Instead of a bunch of little bubbles, I get a single fairly big bubble. Do that till you dont get any more or very few and your good to go again. I find that the less juice thats in the carto, the bigger the bubble is when I dry pull with Bobas. As I do them and juice is being fed into the carto, they get smaller bc the carto is taking less and less in with each dry pull. Once its a small bubble or non at all I know Im full.

Try doing this and I think youll have much better luck. Remember to do dry pulls periodically while your vaping and you shouldnt burn the carto
 

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VinPuff- Thanks for all the info. It looks like I'm going to start working with tools now. This hobby just keeps expanding and expanding. Look for me on the next season of "Hoarders: Buried Alive in Cartomizers". :)

Just an FYI, I'm not a "Sir", haha. No worries, though.

Can I move next door? Ma'am. ( Sorry !) LMAO..

I'll dig you out... or we could get a 55gallon steel drum boiling in the yard and have a Carto cleaning party.. !!

- Vin
 

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mynameisrob- This is the video I used which worked fine the first time without me taking dry hits or pre-filling the carto. The video just has you fill up the tank and drop 5-10 drops into the carto through the drip tip.



I believe the juice I'm using is 80/20. I really don't use any dark or thick juices. The only one I've used is a peppermint which is pretty clear and thin.

Edit: I have a syringe coming in the mail so I'll fill the carto that way from now on just to make sure it's saturated. I was just surprised this worked fine the first time, but not at all on the 2nd and 3rd tries.
 
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