Residual Nicotine in Exhaled Vapour?

[katz-in-boots]

Is there nicotine in the vapour we exhale? I hope not, but I need a definitive answer on this, and if anyone has a link to something with any scientific cred, that would be a big help. Reason for needing this info: DH. Again.

DH hates my vaping. It wasn't too bad until I converted to tanks. I create a lot of vapour and the sizzle & crackle of the 1.5ohm cartos really annoy him, so I switched to 2.0ohm cartos - less noise, less TH & goodies for me, but still lots of vapour. Remember the days when you'd get a few people smoking in a living room and there'd be this cloud of smoke sitting at a certain level, which got lower & lower as the evening went on? I am creating the same effect, only with vapour

DH studied pesticides in horticulture and insists nicotine is a neurotoxin that works on the central nervous system. He has been ramping up his objections to the vapour, and now is questioning whether my 2nd hand vapour is delivering nicotine to him & our DD.

I can't assure him they aren't getting nicotine. My understanding is that vapers absorb nicotine bucally, and that we are not necessarily absorbing all the available nicotine. On the other hand, when I press the button on a manual battery, no vapour is created - unless I inhale, which makes me think the water in the vapour comes from me, not the device. (Yeah, we all know I'm not good with the science stuff)

Can anyone point me towards a good source for answering the question? I am really hoping there isn't nicotine in what I exhale, otherwise I suspect I will be banished to the deck on these cold winter nights (a surefire way to start me coughing, thus further giving him cause to assert that vaping is as bad for me as smoking, despite my lack of coughing for months & lack of respiratory tract infections etc ).

 

[plantlvr]

Oh man katz sorry for what you are going through, I don't have a link but I'm sure someone can provide one as I remember reading a scientific article on what you need.
But surely he can't think that vaping is just as bad as smoking? Did you smoke when you got married? i'm glad my roomate loves the fact that I vape now as opposed to smoking, she flat out told me we wouldn't be roomates if I still smoked, and I smoked outside!
Good luck to you!

 

[katz-in-boots]

Thanks plantlvr. I don't think he thinks it's as bad as smoking, just that he thinks it's stupid & he wants me to stop it. I suspect his motivation is to make me go outside to vape at night, that he hopes that'd make me either quit or cut down a lot.

The article you mentioned sounds like the sort of thing I'm after, as long as it says there's no residual nicotine

 

[Fizzy-Penny]

Katz, try this link and see if it gives you the ammunition you need. (Not a study, but at least the opinion of a doc. I don't think there's a study out there, but I have not done an exhaustive search, either.)

Dr. Brad Rodu: E-Cigarettes | Heartland Institute

My heart goes out to ya.

 

[Maestro]

I don't think it really matters since any trace nicotine is harmless to him anyway. The water and food he's ingesting is a far greater risk to his health.

The TLV of nicotine is .5mg/m3. This means that according to the MSDS, the safe level for daily exposure to nicotine is .5 mg in a cubic meter for 8 hours a day. I believe the amount of nicotine in exhaled vapor is pretty low, but let's put it at 10%. If you're puffing 10mg juice, you'd exhale 1mg for each 1ml you vape. So if you were to vape a half ml of juice (could take a couple of hours) and exhale it into a 1 meter plastic cube, and the nicotine stayed suspended in the air (which it won't), you'd be able to stick your head in and breathe it for 8 hours daily with no health effects.

So the amount of nicotine you exhale is of no risk to anyone even if you blew it in their face.

 

[VictoryNotVengence]

if you were to shot gun the exhaled vapor from your ecig into someone elses mouth they would ingest less nicotine than if they were to eat a whole tomato.

 

[EleanorR]

if you were to shot gun the exhaled vapor from your ecig into someone elses mouth they would ingest less nicotine than if they were to eat a whole tomato.

Yep.

Sorry I don't have a link handy for you, Katz, but does IMH (Idiot Manipulative Husband) eat tomatoes, potatoes or eggplants? If he does, he's ingesting FAR more of that eeeeeeevil "neurotoxin" than an entire room full of exhaled PV vapor would contain.

You might want to Google this phrase for His Highness, and print out the results: "The poison is in the dose." (That's basic Toxicology 101. Does IMH know that sunshine and water are also deadly toxic -- in sufficiently high doses, that is? )

I.e.:

(1)The dose makes the poison
learn.caim.yale.edu/chemsafe/references/dose.html

(2) The dose makes the poison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_dose_makes_the_poison

(3) Scholarly articles for Toxicity of nicotine

toxicity of nicotine: implications for nicotine - Benowitz - Cited by 358

The last link is from a scientific article published in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology by a well-known anti-smoking advocate, scientist and activist.

 

[waylonjessi4ever]

I feel for ya Katz .as you know he has always made me go outside .He has varied reasons then I get harrassed with " see ,if you had just quit like me ,it would be so much easier " .blah blah blah .So ,I am always outside lol .
I have vaped here without him knowing it ,as he cant tell when he gets back ...so much for the smell theory .
All my friends who get in the car with me tell me " oh i cant even smell it " or "oh that one smells good " .

 

[ThankU4Vaping]

Don't our IMH's know that all this silliness will just ensure we will never stop vaping? Oh, that's right..they don't!

Shouldn't be too hard to find a nic-enriched recipe using tomatoes, potatoes, and eggplant, should it? lol..........

 

[Morandir835]

Ms. Katz does your husband eat tomatoes, eggplant, or potatoes? How about B6 (think that's the one, it's either B6 or B12)? If so he's already getting nicotine, so why is he concerned about 2nd hand?

 

[katz-in-boots]

Thanks everyone, keep the links coming!

Why is he so concerned about 2nd hand? Since I switched to tanks, I chain vape watching tv at night. He doesn't like that I am vaping more because he wants me to quit it. I suspect he thinks that if I'm forced to go outside to vape, that I'll reduce/quit vaping. He believes that nicotine is a neurotoxin because it can be used as a pesticide, so he is concerned for my health. I figure if I wasn't vaping I'd be smoking, so I'm not too fussed about the nicotine.

 

[plantlvr]

Katz ya gotta think of a really annoying habit he does and tell him you don't like it and you want him to stop. Turn the tables on him !

 

[katz-in-boots]

Katz ya gotta think of a really annoying habit he does and tell him you don't like it and you want him to stop. Turn the tables on him !

You mean like humming songs from "South Pacific"? Unfortunately I can't think of any that are potential threats to his/our health, which it needs to be to combat the self-righteousness of it all

 

[plantlvr]

You mean like humming songs from "South Pacific"? Unfortunately I can't think of any that are potential threats to his/our health, which it needs to be to combat the self-righteousness of it all

Humming songs from South Pacific would be a Mental Health issue for sure!

 

[katz-in-boots]

Humming songs from South Pacific would be a Mental Health issue for sure!

For me, if not for him

 

[B2L]

Heres a link to a CASAA report, dont know if this answers the question exactly but it may help.

http://casaa.org/uploads/DublinEcigBenchtopHandout.pdf

 

[Maestro]

He believes that nicotine is a neurotoxin because it can be used as a pesticide, so he is concerned for my health.

So hand him a rotten, putrid scoop of dog poop and reassure him it's safe to eat because it doesn't bother the insects at all.

 

[EleanorR]

He believes that nicotine is a neurotoxin because it can be used as a pesticide, so he is concerned for my health. I figure if I wasn't vaping I'd be smoking, so I'm not too fussed about the nicotine.

Again, the DOSE makes the poison.

Good luck, Katz.

 

[Fizzy-Penny]

To preface this: If someone was so outlandish as to say, "Ya know, ol' PurpleParallel there is never ever known to be a complete .... a word that also signifies a female canine". That person would be lying through their teeth about me. I am one.

If I was in Katz' shoes, I'd look at husband and tell him he has only 2 choices: me vaping or me going back to the cigarettes ... and either way, I'm doing it non-stop in the same room with him.

There are few things in this world more capable of being obnoxious &/or self-righteous than a I-quit-and-so-should-you intolerant ex-smoker. Ex-smokers should be understanding, not judgemental, of others' methods of getting off the stinkies. I'm so sorry that some vapers get grief; especially from a family member who should care enough to be thrilled plumb silly that, however it's done, they ain't smokin' no mo'!

Hang in there, Katz.

 

[katz-in-boots]

So hand him a rotten, putrid scoop of dog poop and reassure him it's safe to eat because it doesn't bother the insects at all.

B2L, yes, that's exactly the sort of thing I'm looking for. I'll print that out for him, see if that is enough to shut him up

PurpleParallel, I like your style