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gashin

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Including having your Chinese supplier describe the package as "USB cables" :lol: works everytime
I might do a little stocking up on supplies for myself in the near future, but I don't think it will be hard to acquire supplies should some form of enforcement be implemented. Where there is a will, there is a way.
 

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Your mom is lucky that you are outside of the US. Could you perhaps gradually reduce the level of nicotine in the liquid she vapes? If you do it little by little, lets say 1 or 2 mg less nicotine every three or four months -- but without telling her -- her body would adjust.

It is actually much easier to quit addiction when you don't know that you are quitting -- there is much less pressure that way. Depending on how much nicotine she is vaping now, it may take a year or two before she is down to zero nicotine. Even if there is a ban, no-nicotine liquid will be available since the ingredients and flavors (sans nicotine) will be obtainable without too much trouble.

No I couldn't, nor would I ever. Firstly, that is a dishonest tactic and the likelihood that the long term results would be worse than her continued addiction are too great. Were she to ever find out she would most likely go back to smoking, losing her trust in the system that has helped to make her healthy. Should she feel they were not providing the proper amount of relief for her cravings she might likely try to--at minimum-- offset that urge with other nicotine supplements (patches, gums, cigarettes, even snuff).

Our relationship is built on a high level of love, trust, and respect for each other. I will and have discussed her eventually quitting nicotine for good, but I wouldn't take measures behind her back. If she should ever decide to do so, she knows she has a solid support system to enact that change.

For now the minimal impact of nicotine on her system is seriously negligible compared to the recovery she has already shown. Cigarettes were super-aging her body. Without them--and with the help of e-cigs--she has not only begun to reverse many of the harmful diseases that were present during her smoking, she has gained mobility (a huge factor for the disabled), a higher metabolism (huge for diabetics), O2 capacity, and even bone density.

Why would I ever do anything to risk reversing those effects and losing precious years I've just gained back with my mother? She's battled addiction throughout her life and conquered many of them. If this last addiction is still present at the time of her death, then at least I know that she acknowledged what cigarette smoking was doing to her body and created positive changes in her life to offset that threat. That's a better change than even some long term recovered addicts can admit to. At least she was able to kick caffeine (in totality..it's awesome) something very few people can tout.

P.S.- sorry for the mini-book
 

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No I couldn't, nor would I ever. Firstly, that is a dishonest tactic and the likelihood that the long term results would be worse than her continued addiction are too great. ...
I didn't mean to imply that you should be dishonest. There are shades between white and black, and sometimes it is less cruel to not share everything. But it really depends on many things, including the age of your mom and her condition.

When my mom was in her late 70s she was not doing very well and I didn't want to add to her worries by, for example, telling her about a problem at work. I just knew she would be besides herself with concern, not sleeping well, etc. Why would I do that to her?

Or if I bought her something that cost more than she would ever spend or want to spend, I didn't tell her the truth about the price. Otherwise she would either not accept it or would not use it because it was too expensive. To have the pleasure of seeing my mom enjoying those things, I was, what you would label, dishonest.

Tobacco addiction is not just physical addition to nicotine. Look at new drug trials as an example. Most often, two or more control groups are used to test the new drug. But people in one of those groups get a placebo, a pill that may look like the real thing, but it is not. Very often the people taking the placebo report amazing improvements. Of course, if the doctors running the trial were "honest" and told the patients that they are taking placebo, none of those improvements would be noted.
 
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warp1900

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I thought this was a free country. I guess I was wrong.

Welcome to reality :)

I guess we all forgot that the government (and that includes all of its agencies) are our employees, and yet we never hold no one accountable or fire them? They are supposed to do what we tell them to do and not the other way around.
We are now their employees and we are getting "fired" all over the place.
Or am i wrong?
 

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WASHINGTON, D.C -- Federal health officials said Wednesday they have found cancer-causing ingredients in electronic cigarettes, despite manufacturers' claims the products are safer than tobacco cigarettes.
The Food and Drug Administration said testing of products from two leading electronic cigarette makers turned up several toxic chemicals, including a key ingredient in antifreeze.
"Little is known about these products, including how much nicotine is there and what other chemicals may be there," said FDA's Deputy Commissioner Dr. Joshua Sharfstein.
FDA scientists said they tested 19 varieties of cigarettes, half of which contained forms of nitrosamine, a carcinogen known to cause cancer in humans. Many products which claimed to contain no nicotine actually had low levels of the stimulant.
Agency officials said the "quality control processes used to manufacture these products are inconsistent or nonexistent."
Brands tested by the agency included Smoking Everywhere, marketed by a Florida-based company and NJoy Cigarettes, based in Scottsdale, Ariz. The Electronic Cigarette Association, which represents the companies, had no immediate comment Wednesday afternoon.
Public health advocates have complained the products are aimed at young people and can serve as a "gateway" to tobacco smoking. Many come in flavors, including chocolate, bubblegum and mint.
"Tobacco industry research has demonstrated that fruit and candy flavors increase the social acceptance of cigarettes and curiosity to try the product," said Dr. Jonathan Winickoff, chair of the American Academy of Pediatrics Tobacco Consortium.
Easier for youths to buy
Because electronic cigarettes are not covered by federal tobacco laws, they are also often easier for young people to buy.
Electronic cigarettes produce a nicotine mist absorbed directly into the lungs. Most can easily pass as a tobacco cigarette with slim white bodies and glowing amber tips. They even emit what look like puffs of white smoke.
Manufacturers have touted the products as a healthier alternative to smoking because there is no burning involved, and they don't contain the same hazardous cocktail of cancer-causing chemicals.
Regulators said they have halted 50 shipments of electronic cigarettes at the border since last summer. The FDA said it is authorized to seize the products because - for legal purposes - they are a medical device used to deliver nicotine.
However, the FDA's enforcement attempts have been challenged in federal court by manufacturers. The products are made primarily in China.
FDA officials declined to comment on whether they would take action against the two manufacturers whose products were tested.
The agency did say it's "planning additional activities" to address safety issues with the products, which may include recalls or criminal sanctions.
In an effort to move beyond cigarettes, tobacco companies have introduced a number of smokeless products to keep smokers as buyers of other items. They are trying to convert smokers to products such as moist snuff, chewing tobacco and snus - teabag-like pouches that users stick between their cheek and gum.
R.J. Reynolds spokesman David Howard said the company is focused on being the "total tobacco company," pointing to its products like dissolvable tobacco, rather than technology like e-cigarettes.
Neither Reynolds nor Altria Group Inc.'s Philip Morris USA currently market electronic cigarettes.
Earlier this year, the FDA gained the authority to regulate tobacco products for the first time. However, the agency already could regulate electronic cigarettes because they do not actually contain tobacco.
 
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