Retaining water, sneezing - PG?

[waywardsister]

Since I've started vaping, I 've been retaining water. I wake up with puffy hands and feet, my face is puffy. I also find I've been sneezing quite a bit. Anyone else have anything like this? I'm wondering if it's a PG thing.

Just to note: this NEVER happens to me, ever, at any other time. I expected some side effects from droppping analogs (I still smoke a few, 5-6/day) and/or from inhaling a new substance, but didn't really get any except this weird puffiness (and dry skin).

 

[MissVapor]

I can relate to the puffy hands..it happens to me too..I switched to VG and it has gotten a little better..

 

[waywardsister]

Yeah, I thought I'd try making a VG juice to see if I experience any difference. It's really annoying.

 

[Kate]

I don't know if this is true but I thought I saw somewhere recently that nicotine is an anti-coagulant. Maybe you're not getting as much nicotine as your body is used to and it's going through a period of adjustment.

 

[irishmom]

I have been having the puffy feet thing was in AZ when it first happened and thought it was the altitude change but have had it now at home. Also I take BP meds and it seems my bottom number has gone really low at times.

 

[MissVapor]

what does the bottom number mean? Low blood pressure? I have experienced lightheadedness everytime I stand up since I've started vaping..and that happens even if I haven't vaped for over 12 hrs...

 

[radiokaos]

What I'm reading is possible signs of Hypotension, Edema, and water retention.

I'm not a doctor but if some of you have symptoms even after laying off the ejuice you might want to get in to see a doc.

 

[four2109]

Yes, Like freakin' balloons! My hands and feet. So much that I made a Doctor's appointment. Also woke up with a nasty waxy feeling in my mouth.
(I had been vaping for a week and off my 35 year, 2 pack a day analog habit. Office EKG was OK and I have a stress test scheduled. I had some unusual heartbeats prior to switching to the E-cig. Googled Edema... Heart, Liver, Kidneys... Yikes! Time for a physical.)
Anyway, I was vaping Njoy carts, and Menthol and Peach from Eliquidplanet.
I assumed they were all PG... but who really knows?
The swelling has not been consistant which makes me wonder if it may have more to do with the flavoring. I think the waxy feeling may have been the peach.
So I bought 36mg unflavored (cut with who really knows??), VG, PG, Loranns Apple, and Loranns Creme De Menthe. Hopefully I can make some sense of it. I don't think it has anything to do with the nicotine, but that's another story.

 

[Hanna]

Ok, does this sort of thing happen often? What would cause that?

 

[nicfix75]

well this thread maked me feel a bit better I thought I was going to have to scedule my 4th doc app. this month. Yea I pay for his house. Bad back problems

 

[four2109]

But we still don't know what is causing it....
Do you wake up with swelling? or go to bed with it?
Is it long hours of sitting in front of the computer reading the ECF?
Not enough exercise?
Is there alcohol involved?

 

[waywardsister]

I'm wondering if it's flavouring related (if it's related at all), bc it isn't happening all the time. It could well be due to less nicotine, however I don't recall this happening when I quit cold turkey.

No alcohol involved, 42109. In my case, nothing at all has changed in my regular routine except the vaping. The puffiness is water retention, which I never get (unless I eat something that disagrees with me) and I haven't had allergy-like sneezing since I went gluten-free and all of my allergies went away in one fell swoop.

Hasn't happened in a few days, so we'll see.

 

[chippez]

Go check a doctor , it could also be a mental side effect...............

 

[mokeyjoe]

I'm not a doctor, but your symptoms seem in line with an allergic reaction (Water retention, or edema, is particularly common among allergic individuals source: springboard4health.com/notebook/health_food_addiction.html Food Addiction, Food Allergy and Overweight) I would suggest using a VG only solution like Ecopure to see if that's any better.

This study may also help you:

TESTS FOR THE CHRONIC TOXICITY OF PROPYLEXE GLYCOL AND TRIETHYLENE GLYCOL ON MONKEYS AND RATS BY VAPOR INHALATION AND ORAL ADMINISTRATION

O. H. ROBERTSON 1, CLAYTON G. LOOSLI 1, THEODORE T. PUCK 1, HENRY WISE 1, HENRY M. LEMON 1, and WILLIAM LESTER JR. 1
1 From the Department of Medicine, the Douglas Smith Foundation for Medical Research and the Bartlett Memorial Fund of the University of Chicago and the Commission on Air-Borne Infections, U. S. Army Epidemiological Board
With a view to determining the safety of employing the vapors of propylene glycol and triethylene glycol in atmospheres inhabited by human beings, monkeys and rats were exposed continuously to high concentrations of these vapors for periods of 12 to 18 months. Equal numbers of control animals were maintained under physically similar conditions. Long term tests of the effects on ingesting triethylene glycol were also carried out. The doses administered represented 50 to 700 times the amount of glycol the animal could absorb by breathing air saturated with the glycol.

Comparative observations on the growth rates, blood counts, urine examinations, kidney function tests, fertility and general condition of the test and control groups, exhibited no essential differences between them with the exception that the rats in the glycol atmospheres exhibited consistently higher weight gains. Some drying of the skin of the monkeys' faces occurred after several months continuous exposure to a heavy fog of triethylene glycol. However, when the vapor concentration was maintained just below saturation by means of the glycostat this effect did not occur.

Examination at autopsy likewise failed to reveal any differences between the animals kept in glycolized air and those living in the ordinary room atmosphere. Extensive histological study of the lungs was made to ascertain whether the glycol had produced any generalized or local irritation. None was found. The kidneys, liver, spleen and bone marrow also were normal.

The results of these experiments in conjunction with the absence of any observed ill effects in patients exposed to both triethylene glycol and propylene glycol vapors for months at a time, provide assurance that air containing these vapors in amounts up to the saturation point is completely harmless.

source: jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/91/1/52]TESTS FOR THE CHRONIC TOXICITY OF PROPYLEXE GLYCOL AND TRIETHYLENE GLYCOL ON MONKEYS AND RATS BY VAPOR INHALATION AND ORAL ADMINISTRATION -- ROBERTSON et al. 91 (1): 52 -- Journal of Pharmacology And Experimental Therapeutics

Unfortunately I can't access the full text.

 

[pattyjo]

the only problem iv had is fits of sneezing but i thought it was seasonal although iv never had sneezing fits before i started vaping. it went away tho

 

[four2109]

That's interesting.
I guess I will try eliminating the flavoring first. I don't consume much in the way of artificially flavored foods so hopefully that's what is causing it. I gained about 10 lbs in just a few days. I have cut the nicotine back and am trying to reduce my vaping. I don't want to stop all together because I would wind up buying cigarettes. I just got the smell out of everything!

 

[taz3cat]

42109, I think it is one or more of the flavoring. It doesn't take much to cause an allergy reaction.

 

[four2109]

source: jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/91/1/52]TESTS FOR THE CHRONIC TOXICITY OF PROPYLEXE GLYCOL AND TRIETHYLENE GLYCOL ON MONKEYS AND RATS BY VAPOR INHALATION AND ORAL ADMINISTRATION -- ROBERTSON et al. 91 (1): 52 -- Journal of Pharmacology And Experimental Therapeutics

A shame that study is dated 1947. I'll look around there more later.
I've dropped all flavoring and cut my nicotine from 18 down to 9mg.
I need to get this under control, then I can try to add back and narrow it down.

 

[taz3cat]

42109, there have been newer studies done and that study may be old but, no one has showen it to be false. The other studies and the link are posted on quite a few threads on the forum. That is why I am careful with flavorings, I have allergys.

 

[four2109]

Thanks Taz3cat,
I think/hope it is the flavorings. I was enjoying the apple and was hoping to find a good menthol. But after 1 day without flavoring, it's not so bad. Satisfying enough to keep me off the analogs! Maybe I will eventually vape less too! Or maybe not at all!